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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby AAFitz on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:33 pm

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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:23 am

tzor wrote:The problem is that you can throw around a number of molecules such as proteins around but you can't arrange them into complex nano level structures such as organelles of a living cell.


>< So all the people who went through the transporter are missing organelles and anything smaller than proteins?

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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby crispybits on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:28 am

It's probably down to being able to isolate the right bits to change amongst the code.

Modern day analogy might be that we can specify the entire genome, but not what every single protein does exactly - might be the same for them with that binary stream and knowing what exactly every 1 and 0 is.

But that's far too sensible a post for this thread, so....

TRIBBLES!!!

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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby tzor on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:58 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote: So all the people who went through the transporter are missing organelles and anything smaller than proteins?


No, a transporter takes an appropriate "pattern" it receives along with the mater stream and formats the mater stream to the original pattern. Transporter patterns were subject to decay (unless you are Scotty and can come up with a feedback circuit and even then he only had a 50% success rate). This is far different from a replicator that takes a matter stream and formats it to a different pattern from data storage.

Let's just say that a "pattern" is exceptionally massive in terms of potential data storage. (If I had to guess I would say it was a Fourier transform of your quantum wave signature to enough precision to enable atomic relationships to remain intact.) Thus it definitely could not be stored (merely contained) in TOS technology and was probably too much data to be stored in NG technology. Replicator technology didn't need that level of detail, just enough to make a certain molecule and a rough location within the matrix.

But even in TOS, contamination was still possible. The basic transporter grid consisted of individual transporter units within a pattern.
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby tzor on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:00 pm

crispybits wrote:TRIBBLES!!!


I acutally own two tribbles. :twisted:
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby john9blue on Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:57 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I mean, I love Roddenberry's creativity and scientific vision, but politically he bought into every shallow preconception the socialist media has ever dreamed up.

More wars and strife please!


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again, dude?
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:57 am

tzor wrote:
crispybits wrote:TRIBBLES!!!


I acutally own two tribbles. :twisted:


Look again. by now you own 1024. And no peanuts.
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:21 pm

john9blue wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I mean, I love Roddenberry's creativity and scientific vision, but politically he bought into every shallow preconception the socialist media has ever dreamed up.

More wars and strife please!


--Andy


again, dude?


I recall there being quite a bit of war and strife in Star Trek. Of course, it was humans against other, horrible things so that's okay, right?
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby tzor on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:00 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Look again. by now you own 1024. And no peanuts.


I don't feed them ;-) I haven't given them a nine volt battery in years.

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And storing them in a ziplock bag doesn't hurt either. :twisted:
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby john9blue on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:52 am

thegreekdog wrote:
john9blue wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I mean, I love Roddenberry's creativity and scientific vision, but politically he bought into every shallow preconception the socialist media has ever dreamed up.

More wars and strife please!


--Andy


again, dude?


I recall there being quite a bit of war and strife in Star Trek. Of course, it was humans against other, horrible things so that's okay, right?


of course! as long as i don't have to actually think and decide for myself which side is good and which side is bad, then i'm willing to suspend ALL the disbelief.
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:42 am

tzor wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:Look again. by now you own 1024. And no peanuts.


I don't feed them ;-) I haven't given them a nine volt battery in years.

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And storing them in a ziplock bag doesn't hurt either. :twisted:


Have you noticed that you never see the tribbles and the martian fat-cats in the same room at the same time?
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Thu May 16, 2013 6:34 pm

tzor wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Watching Next Gen.

Federation has ability to energize matter and reassemble living organism, keeping organism's functional structure intact. Can also make foodstuffs and materials from other matter.


You said Next Gen? I'll need a specific citation for that and I'll bet you it's one of those accidental non canon ones. Replicator technology at the Next Generation level was impressive but it was bulk rearrangement on the molecular level at best. Foodstuff conversation was molecular rearrangement of an existing bio replicator food source. Replication at the detailed molecular level, especially that of complex molecules that are required for a living cell was not a part of the Next Gen Canon.

There were interesting discussions on the possible nature of replicator surgery, but while also non canon, surgery in general isn't all that discussed either. Replication of actual living tissue was out as far as canon was concerned.


HA! I was right, and you were wrong. In season 2, when the crew is transporting Riva the deaf, telepathic mediator to some peace negotiations, the doctor tells Geordi she can regenerate his optic nerve and grow some eyes from the replicator, and that she's done it twice before.

Allow me to proclaim my victory:



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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby notyou2 on Thu May 16, 2013 7:02 pm

The reason they don't repair bodily tissue and save peoples lives is because the insurance companies decline covering the work requested thus leaving the hapless schmucks, that paid into the system for years, to die.

Private profitable enterprise dictating who lives and who dies. A socialist system would have been far superior. You'd think they would have figured this out by then.
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 1:19 am

Dukasaur wrote:I mean, I love Roddenberry's creativity and scientific vision, but politically he bought into every shallow preconception the socialist media has ever dreamed up.


No question that Roddenberry loved him some socialism.

That being said, he was pretty spot-on regarding a lot of the social issues of the time (and even these days).
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Re: Scumbag medical practitioners in Star Trek

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 1:23 am

AAFitz wrote:You guys are all just a bunch of ferengis


My wife likes to have her ears rubbed like a Ferengi...
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