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Re: Jews

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:39 pm

premio53 wrote: The reason there is no compromise is because evolutionism and creationism are diametrically opposed. Many biologists believe evolution is nothing but junk science and if you don't wish for anyone to oppose your ideas quit starting threads and then spewing your vile hatred towards those who would dare disagree. In other words deal with it.

This is utterly untrue. In fact, evolution has nothing at all to do with the initial creation... just one of the many lies you have been taught.

At any rate, if you had read the OP, the entire premise is yet another book about why people should hate Jews and why all westerners are effectively Jews... thus giving reason to attack all westerners.

Hardly a position of logic, but ideas worth being aware of because other people DO believe it. (which is why most of us are pretty well versed in Creationism, though you have yet to show any kind of understanding of evolution at all!).
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Re: Jews

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:09 pm

A letter I wrote to swimmer, who was having difficulty with why I call Creationist's a hate group:
One of the following two statements is true:

A) The Christian tradition started sometime around the birth of Christ, and culminated with Ephesians, the most important/influential letter written in the history of the Earth.

B) The Christian tradition started sometime after Gutenberg invented the Printing Press, and culminated when it became acceptable for people with no academic training to publish anything that they felt like, no matter how fanciful or false.

Tradition A is the tradition of Paul's Church. It includes St. Augustine, St. Francis of Assissi, Thomas Aquinas. It is a tradition which follows the teachings of Christ.

Tradition B is the tradition of Creationism. It includes the Klu Klux Klan, Nazis of Germany and Joel Olsteen. It is a tradition which follows the teachings of: "lie to people and steal their money".

One of these is the Christian tradition. One is not. One calls itself Christianity, even though there is no basis for any such claim. Why would millions of people call themselves Christians even though they aren't? Some (like Olsteen) do it to make money. Some do it because they are too non-academic to study history. Some are working for Satan and are specifically doing it to shame true Christians.

Another famous example of people not of a religion pretending to be in it:
"Innocence of Muslims"

Just as that movie was created to shame Muslims unfairly, Creationism was created to shame Christians unfairly. Therefore, all Creationists are part of a Hate Group if they profess to be Christians.

By the way, continue looking for a Biblical literalist before 1700. I would be interested if you can find one.


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Re: Jews

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:56 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:A letter I wrote to swimmer, who was having difficulty with why I call Creationist's a hate group:
One of the following two statements is true:

A) The Christian tradition started sometime around the birth of Christ, and culminated with Ephesians, the most important/influential letter written in the history of the Earth.

B) The Christian tradition started sometime after Gutenberg invented the Printing Press, and culminated when it became acceptable for people with no academic training to publish anything that they felt like, no matter how fanciful or false.

Tradition A is the tradition of Paul's Church. It includes St. Augustine, St. Francis of Assissi, Thomas Aquinas. It is a tradition which follows the teachings of Christ.

Tradition B is the tradition of Creationism. It includes the Klu Klux Klan, Nazis of Germany and Joel Olsteen.



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Re: Jews

Postby swimmerdude99 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:02 am

So another question for you DoomYoshi... what exactly IS Christianity? do you believe the Bible?
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Re: Jews

Postby GeneralRisk on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:04 am

Am I missing something? What does any of this have to do with Jews? I was raised Roman Catholic, I do not go to church. My future ex wife is a Jew. My 3 young children are being raised as Jews. I have no problem with this. I hope there is a God, but I seriously doubt it. In times of crisis I still pray to God. I think the 10 commandments are basically a good thing and more than likely helped to civilize the world. I do not pretend to have the answers as to what religion is the true religion. Although I believe that evolution is more plausible, there is some evidence that points to creationism........................................................... That said, here is a video that sent chills down my spine.
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Re: Jews

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:00 am

GeneralRisk wrote:Am I missing something? What does any of this have to do with Jews? I was raised Roman Catholic, I do not go to church. My future ex wife is a Jew. My 3 young children are being raised as Jews. I have no problem with this. I hope there is a God, but I seriously doubt it. In times of crisis I still pray to God. I think the 10 commandments are basically a good thing and more than likely helped to civilize the world. I do not pretend to have the answers as to what religion is the true religion. Although I believe that evolution is more plausible, there is some evidence that points to creationism........................................................... That said, here is a video that sent chills down my spine.


I don't care who you are, that's just quality t.v. right there.

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Re: Jews

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:40 am

premio53 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:define "many". Also, how "many" of these "many" biologists are being honest? None. It is a fact that creationists, after swearing on the Bible, and being under oath either lie or retract their statements.

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Re: Jews

Postby xeno on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:50 am

GeneralRisk wrote:Am I missing something? What does any of this have to do with Jews? I was raised Roman Catholic, I do not go to church. My future ex wife is a Jew. My 3 young children are being raised as Jews. I have no problem with this. I hope there is a God, but I seriously doubt it. In times of crisis I still pray to God. I think the 10 commandments are basically a good thing and more than likely helped to civilize the world. I do not pretend to have the answers as to what religion is the true religion. Although I believe that evolution is more plausible, there is some evidence that points to creationism........................................................... That said, here is a video that sent chills down my spine.

I must say it was hard reading the subtitles and stare at her tits at the same time. Exquisite!
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Re: Jews

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:41 am

premio53 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:define "many". Also, how "many" of these "many" biologists are being honest? None. It is a fact that creationists, after swearing on the Bible, and being under oath either lie or retract their statements.

http://www.reviewevolution.com/press/pr ... ntists.php
A Scientific Dissent on Darwinism

"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

Henry F.Schaefer: Director, Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry: U. of Georgia • Fred Sigworth: Prof. of Cellular & Molecular Physiology- Grad. School: Yale U. • Philip S. Skell: Emeritus Prof. Of Chemistry: NAS member • Frank Tipler: Prof. of Mathematical Physics: Tulane U. • Robert Kaita: Plasma Physics Lab: Princeton U. • Michael Behe: Prof. of Biological Science: Lehigh U. • Walter Hearn: PhD Biochemistry-U of Illinois • Tony Mega: Assoc. Prof. of Chemistry: Whitworth College • Dean Kenyon: Prof. Emeritus of Biology: San Francisco State U. • Marko Horb: Researcher, Dept. of Biology & Biochemistry: U. of Bath, UK • Daniel Kubler: Asst. Prof. of Biology: Franciscan U. of Steubenville • David Keller: Assoc. Prof. of Chemistry: U. of New Mexico • James Keesling: Prof. of Mathematics: U. of Florida • Roland F. Hirsch: PhD Analytical Chemistry-U. of Michigan • Robert Newman: PhD Astrophysics-Cornell U. • Carl Koval: Prof., Chemistry & Biochemistry: U. of Colorado, Boulder • Tony Jelsma: Prof. of Biology: Dordt College • William A.Dembski: PhD Mathematics-U. of Chicago: • George Lebo: Assoc. Prof. of Astronomy: U. of Florida • Timothy G. Standish: PhD Environmental Biology-George Mason U. • James Keener: Prof. of Mathematics & Adjunct of Bioengineering: U. of Utah • Robert J. Marks: Prof. of Signal & Image Processing: U. of Washington • Carl Poppe: Senior Fellow: Lawrence Livermore Laboratories • Siegfried Scherer: Prof. of Microbial Ecology: Technische Universitaet Muenchen • Gregory Shearer: Internal Medicine, Research: U. of California, Davis • Joseph Atkinson: PhD Organic Chemistry-M.I.T.: American Chemical Society, member • Lawrence H. Johnston: Emeritus Prof. of Physics: U. of Idaho • Scott Minnich: Prof., Dept of Microbiology, Molecular Biology & Biochem: U. of Idaho • David A. 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Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:56 am

swimmerdude99 wrote:So another question for you DoomYoshi... what exactly IS Christianity? do you believe the Bible?


This isn't about belief. By framing it in terms of belief, I could say anything I want. I could say: "I believe Jesus told me to go rape little boys" and go do that. Or I could say "Jesus told me to burn Jews in an Oven" and then go and do that. By making this about some vacuous concept such as "belief" all validity is destroyed. It has to be about fact.

And the fact is that the Bible is not inerrant or infaillable. It features errors, contradictions and evidence of vandalism. However, taken in context and taken non-literally, it does contain a lot of truth.

Taken out of context and literally, it is total bullshit. Interpreted by people who don't have at least a seminary education (cough... Olsteen... hack) they have no idea what the f*ck they are reading. True theologians can't rely on Coles Notes of the Bible. Yet, that is the Southern US tradition.

As an example for why taking something out of context is bad:
"Mommy, where did we come from?"

"Well son many billions and billions and billions of years ago there was a giant explosion. And then a few billion years later life spontaneously generated from a bowl of soup. I'm sorry son, I meant to say abiogenesis started from some chemical reaction that accidently formed from dead matter and eventually the many millions of species of animals, flowers, trees and everything you see around us developed randomly."

"But Mommy, how do you know this?"

"Because it is a fact and anybody who doesn't believe that is a hater."


I now define this to be the quote by which premio is known. Everyone knows that the 4th statement is what he truly believes. Now, we will have a 1700 year discussion about how premio didn't actually mean that, he was responding to a quote that got lost to the ages. He was using sarcasm, or any other literary technique, it doesn't matter. In 1700 years, somebody comes along who doesn't bother to read the previous 1700 years and says: wow, obviously premio believed that. And then a hate group, based on usurping the role of the true understanders of what premio meant would be formed. This is what happened to the Messiah.

Swimmer: Is it a deserving fate of Christ that the most vocal group of his "supporters" actually drag his name through the mud while spitting it both literally and figuratively?

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Re: Jews

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:56 pm

xeno wrote:Also kudos for being a Jew lover. Someone must procreate with these greedy swine but I'm not tainting my pure catholic French bloodline with such filth


Wow... you're a class act.

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Re: Jews

Postby macbone on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:14 pm

I went to a small lecture last night at a university here in Hong Kong. The audience was a mixed group, and honestly, I don't know what most of their qualifications were. One was a biology professor, another was a philosophy and religion professor. A couple were PhD grad students, and another guy taught at a secondary school. Two had PhDs in physics. Another worked at the HK Observatory. One guy, oddly enough, worked at a Macau casino. Most of them were old-earth creationists except for one guy who was a young-earth creationist. None of them spouted off hate speech or anything.

Frankly, most of it was over my head, but the focus of the evening was the Big Bang 13.77 million years ago and the expansion of the universe. I should have taken notes.
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Re: Jews

Postby jaminman on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:21 pm

Jews don't "hate" Jesus... We just think you jumped the gun and got the wrong guy.
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Re: Jews

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:57 am

jaminman wrote:Jews don't "hate" Jesus... We just think you jumped the gun and got the wrong guy.

yeah, most Christians know that.

Sadly, a few still persist who do not.

However, if you had read the OP, it was actually a very racist litteny about how essentially all westerners are haters... followed by a few racist blips by Jews in Israel who basically said anyone not Jewish is racist.

No group is immune from containing idiots, racists and general ignoramous of all types. The thing is to let them spout their hatrred, show it for what it is.. and make it quite clear that they do NOT represent the vast majority.
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Re: Jews

Postby xeno on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:15 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
xeno wrote:Also kudos for being a Jew lover. Someone must procreate with these greedy swine but I'm not tainting my pure catholic French bloodline with such filth


Wow... you're a class act.

-TG

I was joking. The rest of the thread seemed ridiculous so I was going to be too
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Re: Jews

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:04 pm

jaminman wrote:Jews don't "hate" Jesus... We just think you jumped the gun and got the wrong guy.


What's up with the Jews thinking every thread is about them?
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Re: Jews

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:16 pm

jew know I have no idea.
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Jews

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:28 pm

Are Jews the ones with red hair or are those Irish?
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Re: Jews

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:32 pm

No, orange jews is a popular fruit-based beverage.
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