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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:47 am

AAFitz wrote: just explain what you mean.
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Here's what I mean:

1. (read below the underlined). viewtopic.php?f=8&t=186219&start=15#p4071256
2. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=186219&p=4071521#p4071518
3. Read the following:

I usually presume no one is trolling me--except from a few enjoyable posters, because it's an easy assumption to roll with.

The fact of that matter is that I'm not covering up anything, yet you insist I do. We can label your responses ITT as either (1) as part of your mastermind plot to troll me from your very first post or (2) sincere, but none of that really matters because (1) I deal with it.jpg, (2) you're wrong on particular points but don't acknowledge it--which is expected.


Here's what I found interesting:

If you were only concerned about the injustice committed against sabotage, then you'd simply state it from the beginning. Instead, you engaged on this long-winded Troll Campaign. Gee, why is that?

    Perhaps because you perceive that your most valuable means is vengeance--either to right the "wrongs" inflicted upon others like sabotage, or to get even with me for whatever (drug legalization debate?).

    Maybe since you perceive me as being a dick, then you retaliate in kind. But the problem is that messing with me to produce negative emotions is ineffective, but that doesn't matter because you'll continue to insist I'm BBS(1).

It appears our PMs aren't productive because you've hit this wall where you start refusing to clarify yourself.

Shall I place you in the JB-PS-PLAYER bin?
Have I been supplying you with what you demand?
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:59 am

As I said in the PM. I had no idea you cared so much about this. You made an offhand joke that someone misunderstood, understandably, and I called you out on bullshit for your overly arrogant explanation of it.

I genuinely had fun doing it, though much of it, was....creative lets say.

Now however, after seeing you actually argue this point, without trying to actually resolve anything, which you've had many opportunities to do, I understand that your main objective, must only be to argue, and that you will never stop doing it no matter what the situation.

Further, I have come to believe you actually believe you always are right, whereas before this discourse, I assumed you only were doing it for effect.

In any case, while I am impressed with my prediction you would do this, I am troubled to have been so correct, and that you would take it to this level.

Ive tried being direct, pointing out the simple situation of it, but still, you carry on about what was clearly a tiny, insignificant misunderstanding of a 6 word joke of yours, by another poster, and have carried on for hours, and countless posts, in some...what I would label...narcissistic attempt to make sure that no one ever suspected you did anything wrong...maybe ever.

And now, after seeing this, my perception of you absolutely has changed, and I apologize for enabling, or contributing to this in any way. I did it because I thought you had fun with this, but now I suspect you actually take it far more seriously, than I ever imagined, and I can only apologize for toying with your emotions, and not realizing how important this was to you.

You were right. Everyone else was wrong. About everything, ever.

Good job, BBS, and thank you for all your valuable insights.

We are all better off for having heard them.

Carry on, and please forgive this slight misunderstanding and questioning of your posting prowess.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:04 am

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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:15 am

Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:23 am

AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:31 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.


My perception and prediction was spot on. You'd argue this incessantly and arrogantly forever.

Ive never been so right.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:35 am

AAFitz wrote:
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AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.


My perception and prediction was spot on. You'd argue this incessantly and arrogantly forever.

Ive never been so right.


If you keep running in circles, you might eventually catch your tail.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby KoolBak on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:22 am

I'll spring for a room for you two....as long as I get to video it.....
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Re: My home and native land

Postby KoolBak on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:31 am

_sabotage_ wrote:Great, it had to be lead by example? Here boy watch how your daddy gets shit on at the embassy and posts about it on an anon forum. What if my example had been fucked?


If we are still talking about this, I find this statement extremely irritating. If you piss and moan aboot your lot in life and all your unfair injustices, then your example is being a fooking pussy. You COULD hold your head up and explain that the world is a difficult place but that it is worth it to do it right for the love and benefit of your family and be strong and positive, like I assume you are. Thats one example.

16 years ago I quit my high profile, well-paying job / career to be self employed and a stay at home dad. I have devoted my life to my children and try to give them the best possible chance at a long healthy happy life.....I've dealt with (more than?) my share of shit......what doesnt kill ya makes ya stronger brother.....

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Re: My home and native land

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:13 am

BBS, we are all dicks, and we are all decent, it's just a matter of degree, intent and authority.

Of course any officer can dismiss any case, and they get their money in advance, it's not like I can appeal or can hold them accountable. At the end of the day they can always use security as an excuse. The USG knows damn well I was in jail and my wife is registered with them. A simple background check on her would show that she spent six years working in the executive office at Luen Thai, whose CEO has pictures with Bush, Obama and Hu up in the headquarters. They could see from her bank records that she earned a very good salary for China and invested it in property, stocks, mutual funds and insurance.

But then again, that assumes that they bother checking, when they don't even need to. At the Guangzhou consulate, the line is down two flights of stairs, out the lobby, across the buildings plaza and along the sidewalk, before getting to the lines inside. The applications are coming from students who are going to pay the world's highest tuitions, investors who have millions and more, specialists in their fields, people coming for conferences and workshops, tourists, spies, etc.

Who should we prioritize and who should we automatically deny? It would seem that we prioritize money. An interesting point, one of the people in prison with me, a lieutenant of Broken Tooth, AKA boss of all bosses, got an investment visa to the US after being released.

It would seem that our life is dictated by the boxes we are able to check. Money? Check. Right this way. Project manager working for the Chinese side of a joint venture with Skechers helping them set up 300 shops in China, wife and mother to an American, needs to walk out of one gate in the airport into to another? Denied.

Do I feel proud to have such a government and want to pass their values to my son? Not really.

Do I think that we should risk our economic and social security by allowing a flood of people into the country? No, but that's why we require a visa and an interview, so that we can make a fair evaluation. But the interviews are not fair and reasonable. And if some dick gets high on exerting his power over others, we reward him with advancement. I thought being born American gave me unalienable rights, and it does; I have the right to remain silent, or be ignored if I speak, or have it held against me. I have the right to an attorney, even if I don't have the economic incentive to one.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:20 am

I think you had a valid complaint for the most part sabotage, but made the mistake of thinking this forum is anything else but an excuse for people to attack each other, and I was right there with them, looking for all the ways you made mistakes, and why you had no right to complain.

But in the end, you got fucked over, regardless,, and if we were all in a bar we'd buy you a drink, and feel your pain, but in here, we all f*ck with you.

Its just how it is, and one more thing BBS was right about.

I keep hoping it will be better each time I come back after a break, and am let down every single time.

Good luck, and I'm sure every single poster in here feels bad for you, regardless of the situation. To have your kid and wife have a tough time coming to see you, and have it cost money is just a tragic situation, and we are all heartless pricks for not realizing that at the outset, and posting anything otherwise.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:23 am

Ah good, Koolio brought that forward.

Making mistakes is perfectly ok and life is not fair.

The fact that you are moving him to another country to try and make life better for all of you is very positive.

Getting shit on is not a problem. Posting here about is probably fine too. He's not reading it, is he?

Now you can choose to lay down and wallow or demonstrate how to get up and wash the shit off so he can learn that. Chin up mate, eventually you will even move on from the airline stealing your money.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:42 am

Back in the day, I didn't piss and moan, I simply ignored and avoided any dealings with the government.

On 9/11, I had been in general population for two months, with seven months before my trial. The first time the representatives of the consulate came, they slammed me as a criminal. They contacted my family and told them I was arrested with 250 kg of heroin. When I brought this up with them, they said, 250 g of hash, 250 kg of heroin, it's all the same, I'm a damn criminal, and telling my family one or the other makes no difference. On 9/11, with orders from the director, I was transferred to the protected prisoner section, the tower, where I began three years of 24 hour lockdown with the blessing and insistence of the consulate. This was for my security, since obviously the terrorists were among the few Pakistani prisoners in general. Of course, that when I did manage to get a transfer three years later through my lawyer, they transferred me to the section with the very same Pakistanis.

Sure, I'm a fooking pussy, who only knows how to bitch. Nothing is wrong in Denmark, it is all me. And I should stfu and take it like a man. That's an example for my son. That's how to be a man.

Here boy, here is a box you will want to be able to check one day. Or should I teach him to avoid the government, because that is easy to do.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby KoolBak on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:52 am

Well then....good luck with that. I am sure in 20 years or so we can expect yet another glass-half-full member of society ;)

*wipes hands of matter*

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Re: My home and native land

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:57 am

Part of your problem, possibly,is that she filled in the forms in the name on the forms as "Mrs Sabotage".
Anyway, sincere good luck in dealing with all that bastard officialdom. I had myfill of it, and by all accounts there were almost no hurdles for me, just plain simple officialdom.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:24 am

In twenty years after we have waged war on another 10 countries, stripped ourselves of more rights, convicted another 16,000,000 people for cannabis, increased the income gap further, made university as much as it costs for cancer treatment, stratified ourselves into castes and are as easy to manipulate as the villagers in Age of Empires, you should expect more than 1 new member of the disenchanted and disenfranchised.

You haven't wiped your hands of the matters, you have just decided your path of least resistance and greatest personal benefit. But when you watch them do it to your neighbour in silence, who do you think will be there to speak for you when it's your turn?

You are a lawyer in the pacific northwest? Maybe you work with my uncle in Seattle. Maybe you have heard of my mother, she is quite a well known lawyer, she represented a country in their suit against Madoff, drafts laws for countries and represents the World Bank. Or maybe you know my godmother, who runs several international legal organizations, including the VIS east, which is attended by universities from around the world. Or perhaps you know a finite set of skills which allow you to live a comfortable life without thinking too much about the consequences of your efforts further than how they further your own immediate self interest.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:45 am

Life is unfair and something, possibly government is going to get most of us sometimes. There has been "castes" way before we got here.

It's a choice to wash it off and move on. You have made it. I'm just trying to tell you, you're going in the right direction. Keep up the good work. Yes we can still smell it on our skin for a while, there's no deoderant that will fix that. Only time will wear those layers of contaminated skin off.

I'm not suggesting when you finish reading this you can go and instantly be happy, that's pretty unrealistic. I am saying if you can continue to try, it would be best. If it wasn't going to be difficult you would have done it instead of bringing the whole thing up.

If we choose to not wash it off it might become an infection and that will be worse than the original problem.

To forgive and forget is not for the benifit of those that have wronged you. They don't care, they are the same regardless. It's for the benifit of yourself and your family. Embrace them, love them and enjoy them. It's all that's truely good sometimes.

I'm not telling you anything new, I'm trying to be supportive.

I don't know, maybe Canada is the best place in the world. If I find somewhere that is noticably better, I'll try to let you know while I'm moving my family there. My opinion is similar to your's, exactly like the US things seemed better 20 years ago. Then again, it might just be nostalgia. There are a lot of things that are without a doubt improved.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:57 am

I simply ignored and avoided any dealings with the government.


If that's your desire you have for certain picked the wrong place. Everything has some sort of a layer of Government here.

The good part, it's supposedly a helpfull government that wants to do nice things for you like free healthcare. The bad part, they are not really great at it. You pay taxes to provide that "free" healthcare and sometimes people can't get something done for a long time or ever, unless they go to the US and pay for it.

sometimes it's great and you can go to the doctor even though your credit card is maxed and it's not payday.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:29 pm

I'm going to grow and work with hemp. I would like to show my son how we can make the environment work for us.

It will be at least three years before I will see my first crop, due to the aspects of the application.

Nova Scotia has a lot of lime and a simple mix makes breathable, craft-able, energy friendly building material. Ten acres can make enough for seven houses. Plus you have the seeds and fibre. Since you can craft the material, you can design it towards thermal gains, rain collection systems, prevailing winds, snowdrifts, thermal coupling. With a rocket stove fueled by hemp your energy needs are basic electronics.

A years utilities brought to zero, with a slight investment in solar or wind or hydro, you could power several of these houses at the energy used by a single conventional one. Several in an area, designed to meet the needs. 14 acres could then feed clothe and house 7 families for free, while providing them access to economic opportunities working with hemp, or letting them work in their normal job. Since hemp is legislated as a single use crop, it would be convenient for local farmers to trade, and form research and development teams to market the products. But hemp developments could also be openly traded on the market to developers worldwide. This would provide means for economic green development across the globe on a localized scale.

Hemp can be used as a paint base, waterproofing material, floor material, roofing material, cloth material, can be used for any fibre glass, can make 6,000 litres of fuel per acre, or 6.8 tonnes of coal, car body, carseat, but we haven't even begun to develop the science around the plant.

Hemp can be grown on marginal land to improve it. Not only would growing hemp improve air quality, provide a high quality of life from its products, but be a competitor in a more destructive economy. It could absorb some economic stress back to the center of a physical environment rather than one dependent on who's in power in Iraq and how much someone was fucked on the stock exchange.

Now just three years of bureaucracy to go to get started, but that will give me plenty of time to buy up land, do research, take workshops, attract partners.

In a place like Nova Scotia, a corridor of activity could mean the life of the province, and most places are like Nova Scotia. It could pump resources into activities that will provide us with a competitive advantage as the stress on resources escalates and the ability to use them efficiently is a necessity. Just three years if I don't check any boxes that say automatically denied.

But I don't know, I don't get much love from boxes. Maybe I should try another country with fewer restrictions, or just hit Alberta and work from the hemp already being grown. But I don't see why I shouldn't have the freedom to pursue a healthy project in a grave economy. Healthy competition empowering the local population is welcome, right?
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AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.

BBS, you often seem to intentionally lead people to misconstrue your words and intentions... in fact, the face you show here in the forums seems intentionally designed to be misleading as to your true nature... BBS, are you a sock puppet?
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:50 am

fadedpsychosis wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.

BBS, you often seem to intentionally lead people to misconstrue your words and intentions... in fact, the face you show here in the forums seems intentionally designed to be misleading as to your true nature... BBS, are you a sock puppet?


Why, yes, I am.

How did you realize this truth?
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Re: My home and native land

Postby fadedpsychosis on Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:49 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.

BBS, you often seem to intentionally lead people to misconstrue your words and intentions... in fact, the face you show here in the forums seems intentionally designed to be misleading as to your true nature... BBS, are you a sock puppet?


Why, yes, I am.

How did you realize this truth?

this helped: http://sockpuppettheatre.com/
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