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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:47 am

AAFitz wrote: just explain what you mean.
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Here's what I mean:

1. (read below the underlined). viewtopic.php?f=8&t=186219&start=15#p4071256
2. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=186219&p=4071521#p4071518
3. Read the following:

I usually presume no one is trolling me--except from a few enjoyable posters, because it's an easy assumption to roll with.

The fact of that matter is that I'm not covering up anything, yet you insist I do. We can label your responses ITT as either (1) as part of your mastermind plot to troll me from your very first post or (2) sincere, but none of that really matters because (1) I deal with it.jpg, (2) you're wrong on particular points but don't acknowledge it--which is expected.


Here's what I found interesting:

If you were only concerned about the injustice committed against sabotage, then you'd simply state it from the beginning. Instead, you engaged on this long-winded Troll Campaign. Gee, why is that?

    Perhaps because you perceive that your most valuable means is vengeance--either to right the "wrongs" inflicted upon others like sabotage, or to get even with me for whatever (drug legalization debate?).

    Maybe since you perceive me as being a dick, then you retaliate in kind. But the problem is that messing with me to produce negative emotions is ineffective, but that doesn't matter because you'll continue to insist I'm BBS(1).

It appears our PMs aren't productive because you've hit this wall where you start refusing to clarify yourself.

Shall I place you in the JB-PS-PLAYER bin?
Have I been supplying you with what you demand?
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:59 am

As I said in the PM. I had no idea you cared so much about this. You made an offhand joke that someone misunderstood, understandably, and I called you out on bullshit for your overly arrogant explanation of it.

I genuinely had fun doing it, though much of it, was....creative lets say.

Now however, after seeing you actually argue this point, without trying to actually resolve anything, which you've had many opportunities to do, I understand that your main objective, must only be to argue, and that you will never stop doing it no matter what the situation.

Further, I have come to believe you actually believe you always are right, whereas before this discourse, I assumed you only were doing it for effect.

In any case, while I am impressed with my prediction you would do this, I am troubled to have been so correct, and that you would take it to this level.

Ive tried being direct, pointing out the simple situation of it, but still, you carry on about what was clearly a tiny, insignificant misunderstanding of a 6 word joke of yours, by another poster, and have carried on for hours, and countless posts, in some...what I would label...narcissistic attempt to make sure that no one ever suspected you did anything wrong...maybe ever.

And now, after seeing this, my perception of you absolutely has changed, and I apologize for enabling, or contributing to this in any way. I did it because I thought you had fun with this, but now I suspect you actually take it far more seriously, than I ever imagined, and I can only apologize for toying with your emotions, and not realizing how important this was to you.

You were right. Everyone else was wrong. About everything, ever.

Good job, BBS, and thank you for all your valuable insights.

We are all better off for having heard them.

Carry on, and please forgive this slight misunderstanding and questioning of your posting prowess.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:04 am

AAFitz wrote:Image
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:15 am

Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:23 am

AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:31 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.


My perception and prediction was spot on. You'd argue this incessantly and arrogantly forever.

Ive never been so right.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:35 am

AAFitz wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, I think you succeeded in trolling, to an alarming degree.


No, I was pretty sincere. Eventually, you will realize what the following means:

Some people need to recognize the difference between their perception of me and the actual me. The presumption of knowledge can lead people to distorted realities. Hopefully, they can overcome that problem.


My perception and prediction was spot on. You'd argue this incessantly and arrogantly forever.

Ive never been so right.


If you keep running in circles, you might eventually catch your tail.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby KoolBak on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:22 am

I'll spring for a room for you two....as long as I get to video it.....
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Re: My home and native land

Postby KoolBak on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:31 am

_sabotage_ wrote:Great, it had to be lead by example? Here boy watch how your daddy gets shit on at the embassy and posts about it on an anon forum. What if my example had been fucked?


If we are still talking about this, I find this statement extremely irritating. If you piss and moan aboot your lot in life and all your unfair injustices, then your example is being a fooking pussy. You COULD hold your head up and explain that the world is a difficult place but that it is worth it to do it right for the love and benefit of your family and be strong and positive, like I assume you are. Thats one example.

16 years ago I quit my high profile, well-paying job / career to be self employed and a stay at home dad. I have devoted my life to my children and try to give them the best possible chance at a long healthy happy life.....I've dealt with (more than?) my share of shit......what doesnt kill ya makes ya stronger brother.....

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Re: My home and native land

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:13 am

BBS, we are all dicks, and we are all decent, it's just a matter of degree, intent and authority.

Of course any officer can dismiss any case, and they get their money in advance, it's not like I can appeal or can hold them accountable. At the end of the day they can always use security as an excuse. The USG knows damn well I was in jail and my wife is registered with them. A simple background check on her would show that she spent six years working in the executive office at Luen Thai, whose CEO has pictures with Bush, Obama and Hu up in the headquarters. They could see from her bank records that she earned a very good salary for China and invested it in property, stocks, mutual funds and insurance.

But then again, that assumes that they bother checking, when they don't even need to. At the Guangzhou consulate, the line is down two flights of stairs, out the lobby, across the buildings plaza and along the sidewalk, before getting to the lines inside. The applications are coming from students who are going to pay the world's highest tuitions, investors who have millions and more, specialists in their fields, people coming for conferences and workshops, tourists, spies, etc.

Who should we prioritize and who should we automatically deny? It would seem that we prioritize money. An interesting point, one of the people in prison with me, a lieutenant of Broken Tooth, AKA boss of all bosses, got an investment visa to the US after being released.

It would seem that our life is dictated by the boxes we are able to check. Money? Check. Right this way. Project manager working for the Chinese side of a joint venture with Skechers helping them set up 300 shops in China, wife and mother to an American, needs to walk out of one gate in the airport into to another? Denied.

Do I feel proud to have such a government and want to pass their values to my son? Not really.

Do I think that we should risk our economic and social security by allowing a flood of people into the country? No, but that's why we require a visa and an interview, so that we can make a fair evaluation. But the interviews are not fair and reasonable. And if some dick gets high on exerting his power over others, we reward him with advancement. I thought being born American gave me unalienable rights, and it does; I have the right to remain silent, or be ignored if I speak, or have it held against me. I have the right to an attorney, even if I don't have the economic incentive to one.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby AAFitz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:20 am

I think you had a valid complaint for the most part sabotage, but made the mistake of thinking this forum is anything else but an excuse for people to attack each other, and I was right there with them, looking for all the ways you made mistakes, and why you had no right to complain.

But in the end, you got fucked over, regardless,, and if we were all in a bar we'd buy you a drink, and feel your pain, but in here, we all f*ck with you.

Its just how it is, and one more thing BBS was right about.

I keep hoping it will be better each time I come back after a break, and am let down every single time.

Good luck, and I'm sure every single poster in here feels bad for you, regardless of the situation. To have your kid and wife have a tough time coming to see you, and have it cost money is just a tragic situation, and we are all heartless pricks for not realizing that at the outset, and posting anything otherwise.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:23 am

Ah good, Koolio brought that forward.

Making mistakes is perfectly ok and life is not fair.

The fact that you are moving him to another country to try and make life better for all of you is very positive.

Getting shit on is not a problem. Posting here about is probably fine too. He's not reading it, is he?

Now you can choose to lay down and wallow or demonstrate how to get up and wash the shit off so he can learn that. Chin up mate, eventually you will even move on from the airline stealing your money.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:42 am

Back in the day, I didn't piss and moan, I simply ignored and avoided any dealings with the government.

On 9/11, I had been in general population for two months, with seven months before my trial. The first time the representatives of the consulate came, they slammed me as a criminal. They contacted my family and told them I was arrested with 250 kg of heroin. When I brought this up with them, they said, 250 g of hash, 250 kg of heroin, it's all the same, I'm a damn criminal, and telling my family one or the other makes no difference. On 9/11, with orders from the director, I was transferred to the protected prisoner section, the tower, where I began three years of 24 hour lockdown with the blessing and insistence of the consulate. This was for my security, since obviously the terrorists were among the few Pakistani prisoners in general. Of course, that when I did manage to get a transfer three years later through my lawyer, they transferred me to the section with the very same Pakistanis.

Sure, I'm a fooking pussy, who only knows how to bitch. Nothing is wrong in Denmark, it is all me. And I should stfu and take it like a man. That's an example for my son. That's how to be a man.

Here boy, here is a box you will want to be able to check one day. Or should I teach him to avoid the government, because that is easy to do.
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Re: My home and native land

Postby KoolBak on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:52 am

Well then....good luck with that. I am sure in 20 years or so we can expect yet another glass-half-full member of society ;)

*wipes hands of matter*

*decides not to regurgitate my bar / extended court time.....lol*
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Re: My home and native land

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:57 am

Part of your problem, possibly,is that she filled in the forms in the name on the forms as "Mrs Sabotage".
Anyway, sincere good luck in dealing with all that bastard officialdom. I had myfill of it, and by all accounts there were almost no hurdles for me, just plain simple officialdom.
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