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The Limits of Joking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:15 am

There are some topics which some say cannot be touched by comedy while others say they can. Louie CK, Chris Rock, Ricky Gervais, and Jerry Seinfeld have a discussion about it in the following link (it's about a couple minutes):

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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby xeno on Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:37 am

That jeselnik guy did a five minute piece on cancer that I thought was in pretty poor taste. I know he was just trying to get attention with it being his first show and all but hey what do I know my life's only been drastically affected by the disease
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:15 pm

xeno wrote: he was just trying to get attention...


There. You've nailed 99% percent of comedy as a profession, xeno.
Ricky Gervais is somewhat unique though in the way that he seems to not care about the huge demographic that is actually driven away from him as a comic as the result of questionable material. When this happens I chalk it off to a comic's ego being bigger than his professional common sense. He also happens to be one of my favorites but he would be higher up the list if he kept some of his material to himself since while it doesn't necessarily offend me personally it no doubt makes a lot of people feel badly when they hear it.
Evidently there are no limits to comedy just as long as the comedian can maintain a jestful demeanor and the audience is sufficiently numb enough to not realize that the next joke could very well be offensive to their personal sensibilities.
Using questionable material is a numbers game it seems and the people who are turned off in the process are simply acceptable losses to the comic in his/her pursuit of success. Either that or the comic is recklessly sharing his/her personal idea of funny at the expense of others. It's a very selfish attitude any way you slice it. Just remember, its all fun and games until you get hurt.
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby Frigidus on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:29 pm

I don't feel that there should be any limit to jokes, as whatever limit that is set is entirely arbitrary. Anything South of Bill Cosby is going to offend somebody.
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby CreepersWiener on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:51 pm

I heard that Abe Lincoln had no limits to his kidding around, thusly it led to his ultimate demise!


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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:53 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
xeno wrote: he was just trying to get attention...


There. You've nailed 99% percent of comedy as a profession, xeno.
Ricky Gervais is somewhat unique though in the way that he seems to not care about the huge demographic that is actually driven away from him as a comic as the result of questionable material. When this happens I chalk it off to a comic's ego being bigger than his professional common sense. He also happens to be one of my favorites but he would be higher up the list if he kept some of his material to himself since while it doesn't necessarily offend me personally it no doubt makes a lot of people feel badly when they hear it.
Evidently there are no limits to comedy just as long as the comedian can maintain a jestful demeanor and the audience is sufficiently numb enough to not realize that the next joke could very well be offensive to their personal sensibilities.
Using questionable material is a numbers game it seems and the people who are turned off in the process are simply acceptable losses to the comic in his/her pursuit of success. Either that or the comic is recklessly sharing his/her personal idea of funny at the expense of others. It's a very selfish attitude any way you slice it. Just remember, its all fun and games until you get hurt.


You talk about being offended like it's a physical injury. This is very bizarre to me. Is there any difference between the two in your view (other than one pertains to the body and the other to the mind) ?

I suppose you don't subscribe to the adage that "offence is taken, not given" ?
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby _sabotage_ on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:12 pm

The limits of joking has to go to Lenny Bruce, not for how dirty his jokes were, but how many times they arrested him for them.
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:27 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:You talk about being offended like it's a physical injury. This is very bizarre to me. Is there any difference between the two in your view (other than one pertains to the body and the other to the mind) ?

Because physical injury is universally accepted as the worst type of hurt, right? I get physically hurt quite frequently due to my lifestyle but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm saying that emotional hurt is arguably just as injurious, if not more, than physical. I find it bizarre that you don't see this as a possibility.

Haggis_McMutton wrote:I suppose you don't subscribe to the adage that "offence is taken, not given" ?

No. I suppose that most people, as emotional beings, can't help but have a response to a joke that is significantly offensive to them. When I notice someone being offended in this way I have to say that I generally resent the source of the joke as a somewhat cruel person.
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:01 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
xeno wrote: he was just trying to get attention...


There. You've nailed 99% percent of comedy as a profession, xeno.
Ricky Gervais is somewhat unique though in the way that he seems to not care about the huge demographic that is actually driven away from him as a comic as the result of questionable material. When this happens I chalk it off to a comic's ego being bigger than his professional common sense. He also happens to be one of my favorites but he would be higher up the list if he kept some of his material to himself since while it doesn't necessarily offend me personally it no doubt makes a lot of people feel badly when they hear it.
Evidently there are no limits to comedy just as long as the comedian can maintain a jestful demeanor and the audience is sufficiently numb enough to not realize that the next joke could very well be offensive to their personal sensibilities.
Using questionable material is a numbers game it seems and the people who are turned off in the process are simply acceptable losses to the comic in his/her pursuit of success. Either that or the comic is recklessly sharing his/her personal idea of funny at the expense of others. It's a very selfish attitude any way you slice it. Just remember, its all fun and games until you get hurt.


Doesn't this criticism equally apply to Lenny Bruce?
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby CBlake on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:38 pm

There are no limits
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby CBlake on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:39 pm

And if you think there are, watch Daniel Tosh and you will be proved wrong
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:40 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
xeno wrote: he was just trying to get attention...


There. You've nailed 99% percent of comedy as a profession, xeno.
Ricky Gervais is somewhat unique though in the way that he seems to not care about the huge demographic that is actually driven away from him as a comic as the result of questionable material. When this happens I chalk it off to a comic's ego being bigger than his professional common sense. He also happens to be one of my favorites but he would be higher up the list if he kept some of his material to himself since while it doesn't necessarily offend me personally it no doubt makes a lot of people feel badly when they hear it.
Evidently there are no limits to comedy just as long as the comedian can maintain a jestful demeanor and the audience is sufficiently numb enough to not realize that the next joke could very well be offensive to their personal sensibilities.
Using questionable material is a numbers game it seems and the people who are turned off in the process are simply acceptable losses to the comic in his/her pursuit of success. Either that or the comic is recklessly sharing his/her personal idea of funny at the expense of others. It's a very selfish attitude any way you slice it. Just remember, its all fun and games until you get hurt.


Doesn't this criticism equally apply to Lenny Bruce?

I'm not sure BBS, I don't know who Lenny Bruce is. :(
What's the comparison?
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:57 pm

CBlake wrote:And if you think there are, watch Daniel Tosh and you will be proved wrong


Danile Tosh is a toilet-head.
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:03 am

Funkyterrance wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
xeno wrote: he was just trying to get attention...


There. You've nailed 99% percent of comedy as a profession, xeno.
Ricky Gervais is somewhat unique though in the way that he seems to not care about the huge demographic that is actually driven away from him as a comic as the result of questionable material. When this happens I chalk it off to a comic's ego being bigger than his professional common sense. He also happens to be one of my favorites but he would be higher up the list if he kept some of his material to himself since while it doesn't necessarily offend me personally it no doubt makes a lot of people feel badly when they hear it.
Evidently there are no limits to comedy just as long as the comedian can maintain a jestful demeanor and the audience is sufficiently numb enough to not realize that the next joke could very well be offensive to their personal sensibilities.
Using questionable material is a numbers game it seems and the people who are turned off in the process are simply acceptable losses to the comic in his/her pursuit of success. Either that or the comic is recklessly sharing his/her personal idea of funny at the expense of others. It's a very selfish attitude any way you slice it. Just remember, its all fun and games until you get hurt.


Doesn't this criticism equally apply to Lenny Bruce?

I'm not sure BBS, I don't know who Lenny Bruce is. :(
What's the comparison?


You can talk as an expert on what 99% of comedians do and you never heard of Lenny Bruce?
Count yourself disqualified.
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Re: The Limits of Joking

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:10 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
xeno wrote: he was just trying to get attention...


There. You've nailed 99% percent of comedy as a profession, xeno.
Ricky Gervais is somewhat unique though in the way that he seems to not care about the huge demographic that is actually driven away from him as a comic as the result of questionable material. When this happens I chalk it off to a comic's ego being bigger than his professional common sense. He also happens to be one of my favorites but he would be higher up the list if he kept some of his material to himself since while it doesn't necessarily offend me personally it no doubt makes a lot of people feel badly when they hear it.
Evidently there are no limits to comedy just as long as the comedian can maintain a jestful demeanor and the audience is sufficiently numb enough to not realize that the next joke could very well be offensive to their personal sensibilities.
Using questionable material is a numbers game it seems and the people who are turned off in the process are simply acceptable losses to the comic in his/her pursuit of success. Either that or the comic is recklessly sharing his/her personal idea of funny at the expense of others. It's a very selfish attitude any way you slice it. Just remember, its all fun and games until you get hurt.


You talk about being offended like it's a physical injury. This is very bizarre to me. Is there any difference between the two in your view (other than one pertains to the body and the other to the mind) ?

I suppose you don't subscribe to the adage that "offence is taken, not given" ?


It does also partly depend on the intent of the comedian.
I once heard a comedian say "did you hear about the coon who took a shit and he was so stupid he thought he was melting?"
I didn't hear the rest of his act.
Did you hear about the comedian that Jonesey walked out on in disgust?
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