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Postby Guiscard on Thu May 10, 2007 11:20 am

We knew it was coming but:

BBC News wrote: Blair will stand down on 27 June

He made the announcement in a speech to party activists in his Sedgefield constituency, after earlier briefing the Cabinet on his plans.

He acknowledged his government had not always lived up to high expectations but said he had been "very blessed" to lead "the greatest nation on earth".

He will stay on in Downing Street until the Labour Party elects a new leader - widely expected to be Gordon Brown.

In an emotional speech, Mr Blair said he had been prime minister for 10 years which was "long enough" for the country and himself.

He thanked the British people for their support and apologised for when "I have fallen short".

It was for others to judge whether he had made mistakes, said Mr Blair, adding: "I have always done what I thought was right."

He said expectations had probably been "too high" in 1997, but he defended his government's record in office.

"There is only one government since 1945 that can say all of the following: more jobs, fewer unemployed, better health and education results, lower crime and economic growth in every quarter. Only one government, this one," he said.

'Right'

On foreign policy, Mr Blair acknowledged the terrorist "blow back" from the "bitterly controversial" invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and he urged Britain to stay the course in the fight against terror.

"I decided we should stand shoulder to shoulder with our oldest ally, and I did so out of belief," he said of his decision to support America's invasion of Iraq.

"I did what I thought was right for our country," Mr Blair said, summing up his record.

"And I came into office with high hopes for Britain's future, and, you know, I leave it with even higher hopes for Britain's future."

In conclusion, he said: "Actually I've been lucky and very blessed. And this country is a blessed nation.

"The British are special - the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth."

Brown tribute

Mr Blair was given a standing ovation by around 250 Labour activists and members who had crammed into the tiny bar of Trimdon Labour Club to see him off.

Waving hand-written placards reading "Sedgefield Loves Tony", "10 Great Years", "Thank You" and "Britain is Better", the crowd cheered as Mr Blair embraced his election agent John Burton and wife Cherie.

He has now arrived back in Downing Street after flying back to London.

Labour is later expected to announce a special party conference on 24 June to unveil its next leader.

Earlier, Gordon Brown paid tribute to Mr Blair's leadership at a Cabinet meeting, praising "his unique achievement over 10 years and the unique leadership he has given to the party, Britain and the world".

'Defensive'

But, giving his reaction to Mr Blair's speech on his website, Conservative leader David Cameron said: "I think a lot of people will look back on the last 10 years of dashed hopes and big disappointments, of so much promised so little delivered."

Mr Cameron has said the country faces seven weeks of "paralysis" until Labour chooses a new top team, accusing Mr Blair of running a government of the "living dead".

Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell said he thought Mr Blair's speech was "defensive, defiant, and even chauvinist at the end talking about Great Britain as being the best country in the world".

Mr Blair's official spokesman insists he will remain "focused" on being prime minister until Labour has chosen his successor - a process expected to last seven weeks.

But with a new prime minister expected to be in place by the beginning of July, attention at Westminster has already shifted to his succession.

Mr Brown is unlikely to face a Cabinet-level challenge for the leadership as all of the likely contenders have ruled themselves out.

Leadership bid

But he could still face a challenge from one of two left wing backbenchers - John McDonnell and Michael Meacher. The pair met on Thursday as planned to see who had the most support, with the idea that the one with the least support stepping aside.

However a press conference after that meeting was cancelled, with the two saying their numbers of backers were "too close to call" and further clarification were needed, with a decision postponed to Monday.

Candidates need the signatures of 45 Labour MPs to enter a contest.

Shortly after Mr Blair's announcement, the deputy prime minister and deputy Labour leader John Prescott also announced his intention to stand down.

Six deputy leadership hopefuls are already battling for nominations to enter the race to replace Mr Prescott.

The Liberal Democrats have, meanwhile, tabled a Parliamentary motion urging the Queen to dissolve parliament and call a general election.


Just wondering what people thought of this... What kind of legacy has he left? Glad to see him go? Too late? Too early?

I'll post my opinion later...

safe to say I generally support him and I imagine a lot of people won't, so bring on the flame!
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Postby mr. incrediball on Thu May 10, 2007 11:21 am

didn't he say he was going on may 31st? GIT!
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Postby btownmeggy on Thu May 10, 2007 11:23 am

"The British are special - the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth."

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Postby mr. incrediball on Thu May 10, 2007 11:25 am

btownmeggy wrote:"The British are special - the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth."

:lol:


i second that
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Postby Guilty_Biscuit on Thu May 10, 2007 11:29 am

I watched his speach live on TV - have to say he did a good job overall but had to go. That's the way it works - you piss off some people every time you make a decision & after 10 years of decisions pretty much everyone is bound to hate you.
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Postby mr. incrediball on Thu May 10, 2007 11:38 am

mr. blair's main problem is he just kisses bush's ass
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Postby flashleg8 on Thu May 10, 2007 12:16 pm

btownmeggy wrote:"The British are special - the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth."

:lol:


Jeeze, I know Blair has a presidential style but for the love of god - when did he turn into an American?!

As for Blairs legacy - he's done some good things domestically and also internationally, but history will judge him on Iraq and his contribution to the Northern Ireland peace process I think.
I personally think we'll miss him more when he's gone - he did encapsulate a special time for Britain, I remember the hope there was when he was elected and ultimately the disillusionment that eventually followed.
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Re: Our Glorious Leader

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu May 10, 2007 12:18 pm

Guiscard wrote:We knew it was coming but:

BBC News wrote: Blair will stand down on 27 June

He made the announcement in a speech to party activists in his Sedgefield constituency, after earlier briefing the Cabinet on his plans.

He acknowledged his government had not always lived up to high expectations but said he had been "very blessed" to lead "the greatest nation on earth".

He will stay on in Downing Street until the Labour Party elects a new leader - widely expected to be Gordon Brown.

In an emotional speech, Mr Blair said he had been prime minister for 10 years which was "long enough" for the country and himself.

He thanked the British people for their support and apologised for when "I have fallen short".

It was for others to judge whether he had made mistakes, said Mr Blair, adding: "I have always done what I thought was right."

He said expectations had probably been "too high" in 1997, but he defended his government's record in office.

"There is only one government since 1945 that can say all of the following: more jobs, fewer unemployed, better health and education results, lower crime and economic growth in every quarter. Only one government, this one," he said.

'Right'

On foreign policy, Mr Blair acknowledged the terrorist "blow back" from the "bitterly controversial" invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and he urged Britain to stay the course in the fight against terror.

"I decided we should stand shoulder to shoulder with our oldest ally, and I did so out of belief," he said of his decision to support America's invasion of Iraq.

"I did what I thought was right for our country," Mr Blair said, summing up his record.

"And I came into office with high hopes for Britain's future, and, you know, I leave it with even higher hopes for Britain's future."

In conclusion, he said: "Actually I've been lucky and very blessed. And this country is a blessed nation.

"The British are special - the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth."

Brown tribute

Mr Blair was given a standing ovation by around 250 Labour activists and members who had crammed into the tiny bar of Trimdon Labour Club to see him off.

Waving hand-written placards reading "Sedgefield Loves Tony", "10 Great Years", "Thank You" and "Britain is Better", the crowd cheered as Mr Blair embraced his election agent John Burton and wife Cherie.

He has now arrived back in Downing Street after flying back to London.

Labour is later expected to announce a special party conference on 24 June to unveil its next leader.

Earlier, Gordon Brown paid tribute to Mr Blair's leadership at a Cabinet meeting, praising "his unique achievement over 10 years and the unique leadership he has given to the party, Britain and the world".

'Defensive'

But, giving his reaction to Mr Blair's speech on his website, Conservative leader David Cameron said: "I think a lot of people will look back on the last 10 years of dashed hopes and big disappointments, of so much promised so little delivered."

Mr Cameron has said the country faces seven weeks of "paralysis" until Labour chooses a new top team, accusing Mr Blair of running a government of the "living dead".

Lib Dem leader Sir Menzies Campbell said he thought Mr Blair's speech was "defensive, defiant, and even chauvinist at the end talking about Great Britain as being the best country in the world".

Mr Blair's official spokesman insists he will remain "focused" on being prime minister until Labour has chosen his successor - a process expected to last seven weeks.

But with a new prime minister expected to be in place by the beginning of July, attention at Westminster has already shifted to his succession.

Mr Brown is unlikely to face a Cabinet-level challenge for the leadership as all of the likely contenders have ruled themselves out.

Leadership bid

But he could still face a challenge from one of two left wing backbenchers - John McDonnell and Michael Meacher. The pair met on Thursday as planned to see who had the most support, with the idea that the one with the least support stepping aside.

However a press conference after that meeting was cancelled, with the two saying their numbers of backers were "too close to call" and further clarification were needed, with a decision postponed to Monday.

Candidates need the signatures of 45 Labour MPs to enter a contest.

Shortly after Mr Blair's announcement, the deputy prime minister and deputy Labour leader John Prescott also announced his intention to stand down.

Six deputy leadership hopefuls are already battling for nominations to enter the race to replace Mr Prescott.

The Liberal Democrats have, meanwhile, tabled a Parliamentary motion urging the Queen to dissolve parliament and call a general election.


Just wondering what people thought of this... What kind of legacy has he left? Glad to see him go? Too late? Too early?

I'll post my opinion later...

safe to say I generally support him and I imagine a lot of people won't, so bring on the flame!

Heard not a lot of people didnt like the way things were ran by him...Heard
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Re: Our Glorious Leader

Postby Stopper on Thu May 10, 2007 12:47 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Heard not a lot of people didnt like the way things were ran by him...Heard


So, what you mean is, a lot of people liked the way things were run by him :?:
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Re: Our Glorious Leader

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu May 10, 2007 12:55 pm

Stopper wrote:
DirtyDishSoap wrote:Heard not a lot of people didnt like the way things were ran by him...Heard


So, what you mean is, a lot of people liked the way things were run by him :?:
woops let me rephrase that

A lot of people dont like the way things are ran by him
my bad
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Re: Our Glorious Leader

Postby Stopper on Thu May 10, 2007 1:03 pm

Guiscard wrote:Just wondering what people thought of this... What kind of legacy has he left? Glad to see him go? Too late? Too early?


Well, firstly, one thing I'll be glad of when he finally goes is hopefully we won't have to hear that word "legacy" quite so much. It's been repeated so often, it's had that effect on me - you know how when you say a word over and over, it loses its meaning? That effect.

As for Blair, it's been too long. Morally speaking, he should have left soon after Iraq was invaded. But if we're going to be realpolitik about it, he should have left last year - long enough after the last general election so that people wouldn't cry "swizz!" (on the mistaken, but widespread, understanding they'd directly elected Blair), and giving as much time for Brown to prepare for the next general election as possible.

I could go on forever, but I haven't the time just now. Just to say, if there's a leadership election, I'm voting Broon - and I'm hoping not too many people in the party or the unions vote for whichever jokey candidate opposes him, Meacher or McDonnell. It hardly helps for Broon to get undermined by his own side before he's even started.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu May 10, 2007 1:09 pm

Nah, he's been one of the best PM's in history. The 'anti-blair' campaign is mostly misguided tabloid drivel; his record is extremely impressive and I'll be sad to see him go.

Yes, yes, the war the war the war. Whatever. Anybody who doesn't think a conservative government wouldn't have done the same thing and wouldn't have reaped the same result, is lying to themselves. His record on everything else is superb, that's the point I'm making here...
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Postby The Gunslinger on Thu May 10, 2007 1:10 pm

He acknowledged his government had not always lived up to high expectations but said he had been "very blessed" to lead "the greatest nation on earth".


??? Blair didnt lead the United States...
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Re: Our Glorious Leader

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu May 10, 2007 1:11 pm

The Gunslinger wrote:
He acknowledged his government had not always lived up to high expectations but said he had been "very blessed" to lead "the greatest nation on earth".


??? Blair didnt lead the United States...
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Postby RobinJ on Thu May 10, 2007 1:42 pm

mr. incrediball wrote:mr. blair's main problem is he just kisses bush's ass


I would agree with you there but overall I think Blair did a good job. He fucked up pretty big over Iraq and, unfortunately, that will probably scar his legacy. However, I am from Northern Ireland and his achievement over here is quite something. When he arrived the country was still in a mess and remember that incident when he shook Jerry Adams' hand and was subsequently mobbed by the Protestant public. We have come along way since then. We now have the 2 most opposite groups, the DUP and Sinn Fein, sharing power who have always hated each other. Iain Paisley, leader of the DUP, once promised to smash the IRA and Sinn Fein but now they are learning to work together. Even a few years ago this was unforseeable and it is largely down to the efforts of Tony Blair. Of course, he has done other good things but this is what rings truest with me.

Anyway, I think he was a better PM than Gordon Brown will be at any rate, just cos he seems to have more charisma (however false some of it may be). Just my $0.02 (or, more likely, £0.02)
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Postby Balsiefen on Thu May 10, 2007 2:01 pm

the problem is that he could have been a briliant prime minister but going to Iraq was a bad choice, his main mistake however was not backing down and admitting he made a bad choice which would have been forgivable, but persisting that he was right no matter how many of his reasons were not based on good evidence.

in the end its his attitude thad did it for him, at least future prime ministers might think twice before attacking another country
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Postby Titanic on Thu May 10, 2007 2:19 pm

Aa you may know, I'm a strong Blair supporter myself. Obviously I'm sad to see him go, his speech sounds pretty good, I'll get to see it on BBC News tonight...

Its wierd now, about a week ago today, when the polls were open before the results came out, the tabloid, the commentators and the public were criticising Blair left right and centre. Now this week, after the not so bad as expected elections, and him standing down, everyone is saying what a great PM he has been....wierd isn it?

Most annoying thing in the past year is that all the commentators and papers have always been talking about his legacy. That itself annoyed me so much as he could never put a worthwhile bill through Parliament or do something supportive without doing it for his "legacy". When Thatcher got her statue at Westminster (why the fck did she get one, she screwed up this country loads!!!!) they still managed to attack Blair and his legacy.

Anyway, listening to Five Live yesterday morning on the phone in, the first hour was about Blair, and what people think about him. Surprising how many people actually liked him and thought he did a good job, but almost all the other times of the year they hated him and though he was a disaster. Also, on the BBC website this morning, in Nick Robinsons blog (which I must say was a very fair and unbiased piece by him, although mentioning the Dome was unfair, that was Hesseltines fault) loads of people were still supportive of him, although you got the odd idiot who refused to listen to anything. One person said in reply to another post (roughly),"All lies! All lies! Blair has done nothing good in the past 10 years! Everything he touches turns to dirt! Health, education, military, social services, transport, everything!" I found that comment so funny...

Top things during Blairs government in my opinion -

- Minimum wage
- The economy overall - A lot of this is down to Brown though
- NHS - even this "crisis" is utopia compared to 97.
- Education
- International policy - He made USA listen to UK rather then ignore us, especially during the Clinton years, and made the UK standing in the EU stronger against the France/Germany block with the help of the Nordic countries.
- Northern Ireland - 91 years since the Easter Uprising, and its finally peaceful.

Theres loads of others that are great things, such as crime, law and order, tax credits, north/south divide, income equality, child poverty, devolution to London, Scotland, Wales, NI, Bosnia/Serbia/Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Live 8, African debt, global warming etc....etc....etc...
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Re: Our Glorious Leader

Postby Guiscard on Thu May 10, 2007 3:09 pm

Stopper wrote:
Guiscard wrote:Just wondering what people thought of this... What kind of legacy has he left? Glad to see him go? Too late? Too early?


Well, firstly, one thing I'll be glad of when he finally goes is hopefully we won't have to hear that word "legacy" quite so much. It's been repeated so often, it's had that effect on me - you know how when you say a word over and over, it loses its meaning? That effect.

As for Blair, it's been too long. Morally speaking, he should have left soon after Iraq was invaded. But if we're going to be realpolitik about it, he should have left last year - long enough after the last general election so that people wouldn't cry "swizz!" (on the mistaken, but widespread, understanding they'd directly elected Blair), and giving as much time for Brown to prepare for the next general election as possible.

I could go on forever, but I haven't the time just now. Just to say, if there's a leadership election, I'm voting Broon - and I'm hoping not too many people in the party or the unions vote for whichever jokey candidate opposes him, Meacher or McDonnell. It hardly helps for Broon to get undermined by his own side before he's even started.


Wow I was expecting a wall of flame when I got back from Asda (apparently the missus is addicted to bio-pot yoghurt and is on a fruit drive so we've got four pinapples and -£70)...

Chose to quote Stopper because, although I agree with most of the substantial posts so far I am probably most in agreement with his.

A really good PM overall, and I applaud the way he's moved Britain into the 21st century and into a modern, international state...

The health service is in better nick than ever, especially considering the ever-increasing pressure put on it

Education has improved (my entire family are teachers, my father is a headteacher both my grandparents were headteachers too - you really get some insights over your christmas dinner!)

I applaud the way the economy has been managed, but as Titanic mentioned thats as much brown's work as anything.

Nice to hear RobinJ's perspective from Northern Ireland. I really think the iconic photo of the two leaders finally united ina peaceful government is a great image for him to go out on. Northern Ireland isn't just a recent problem, it's a century of violent unrest that has finally been pacified.

But I do agree with Stopper in that he's stayed on for too long. He should have gone at the end of last year at the latest to give Brown chance to show what he can do for the country now he's in the limelight. I will be voting for Brown as well if there is a leadership election, and I really hope people can see the benefits of a sensible, shrewd and proven leader come general election time rather than voting for a mixed up green/blue blair-without-the-substance tory.

Iraq will be a scar on his time as PM, and a big one at that, but I do think that when in his speech he said 'visions are painted in the colours of the rainbow; and the reality is sketched in the duller tones of black, white and grey. But I ask you to accept one thing. Hand on heart, I did what I thought was right. I may have been wrong, that's your call.' he was talking a lot of sense. We can all judge him on Iraq. he made a hard decision, and a wrong one in my opinion, but in almost all other areas he's been a competent and capable PM.

Blair is dead. Long live Brown :D

p.s. Everyone's favourite Yorkshire bruiser Prescott is stepping down as deputy as well so we'll be able to egg politicians with impunity now!
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Postby Stopper on Thu May 10, 2007 7:04 pm

Titanic wrote:Its wierd now, about a week ago today, when the polls were open before the results came out, the tabloid, the commentators and the public were criticising Blair left right and centre. Now this week, after the not so bad as expected elections, and him standing down, everyone is saying what a great PM he has been....wierd isn it?


Not really. It's the end of an era, you see - so you can expect normal services to be suspended for a bit (I wonder how long it'll be). The Guardian's got some free booklet out on him tomorrow (or later today). I mustered what I could against him, in my post in this thread earlier on tonight, but to be honest, I almost got teary-eyed reading about the git earlier on today. It brought me back 10 years ago. 18 years of Tory government stopped in one fell swoop. Plus, people can't help relating something like this - even something so distant as who is the prime minister - to their own experiences. Time goes by quick. I'll stop there, I think.

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As long as John Reid doesn't replace him...!

PS: Actually, if the Blair booklet in the Guardian tomorrow doesn't cause me to blub out loud, I'm going to ask for a refund.
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Postby Guiscard on Thu May 10, 2007 7:39 pm

Stopper wrote:
Titanic wrote:Its wierd now, about a week ago today, when the polls were open before the results came out, the tabloid, the commentators and the public were criticising Blair left right and centre. Now this week, after the not so bad as expected elections, and him standing down, everyone is saying what a great PM he has been....wierd isn it?


Not really. It's the end of an era, you see - so you can expect normal services to be suspended for a bit (I wonder how long it'll be). The Guardian's got some free booklet out on him tomorrow (or later today). I mustered what I could against him, in my post in this thread earlier on tonight, but to be honest, I almost got teary-eyed reading about the git earlier on today. It brought me back 10 years ago. 18 years of Tory government stopped in one fell swoop. Plus, people can't help relating something like this - even something so distant as who is the prime minister - to their own experiences. Time goes by quick. I'll stop there, I think.

Guiscard wrote:p.s. Everyone's favourite Yorkshire bruiser Prescott is stepping down as deputy as well so we'll be able to egg politicians with impunity now!


As long as John Reid doesn't replace him...!

PS: Actually, if the Blair booklet in the Guardian tomorrow doesn't cause me to blub out loud, I'm going to ask for a refund.


He brought out a good line in moving speeches today to be honest. One of my good mates, a burly rugby jock, nearly broke down watching it :D

And I doubt Reid will replace Prezza to be honest. I think he'll bring in someone younger and English to minimise the amount of scotch-hating the Tories will throw in the next election.

Out of interest, did anyone see old creepy Michael Howard's attack on the doctor of spin on Newsnight tonight? Gave me a good twenty minutes of chuckling! it looked like he wanted to clamp his vampiric fangs onto Cambell's neck and suck the hateful media circus out of him!
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Postby chewyman on Thu May 10, 2007 8:21 pm

Despite him being Labour I'm a big fan of Mr Blair :lol:

His one real mistake was the war in Iraq and his apology and statement that he thought he was doing the right thing at the time in his speech was good enough for me on that regard.
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Postby Spuzzell on Thu May 10, 2007 8:31 pm

Blair's been the best Tory PM since Thatcher :-)

I'm not sorry to see him go as it means Labour have no hope now of winning the next election, but he was the right leader for Britain for 8 years. Shame he didn't leave when things started to go wrong, but hey.
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Postby The Gunslinger on Thu May 10, 2007 8:38 pm

this is just a question im curious about. i dont follow british politics but if all you guys all think blair think is a really good PM, exept for Iraq, then how come he and his party have no shot at being re-elected? and im not sure about this but is he like resigning? although it think its different in Britain like you can hold elections whenever you need to? im not sure about this i just think i hear that somewhere.
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Postby Stopper on Fri May 11, 2007 2:25 am

There are no rules about when Blair has to go (except in the event of a loss in a general election, of course.) Blair's resigning partly simply because he's been PM for too long, and is beginning to be seen as a liability for his party, Iraq notwithstanding.

Gunslinger wrote:if all you guys all think blair think is a really good PM, exept for Iraq, then how come he and his party have no shot at being re-elected?


Spuzzell's already hinted at what most people may think is the reason.

Up until Tony Blair got elected leader of Labour in 1994, a significant portion of the general public so deeply mistrusted Labour that it was wondered whether they would ever get elected again.

When Blair was elected, he did a number of things which made the party more acceptable to more people. (For example, one thing was to replace Clause IV, a small "manifesto" which appears on every party member's card. In full, it was:

"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

- which would probably make some people - like, ahem, Spuzzell - puke their guts out just to look at it.

Now it states something like "The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." It then waffles on with a mish-mash of words of no consequence to anyone, anywhere.)

That was the "New Labour" project. But, what shouldn't be underestimated is the peculiar charisma of the man himself. I don't think he actually appeals at all to certain parts of the country - but to a certain group of floating voters, possibly in the South of England, he appeals to enough people to garner that extra bit of support to make Labour electable.

The question now is, has Blair made Labour permanently electable? Has everything he has done had a lasting effect? Or, now he's leaving, will people now revert to what they thought of the pre-Blair party, "Old" Labour? I think that's what Spuzzell meant when he said Labour is now unelectable.
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Postby Anarchist on Fri May 11, 2007 2:35 am

I dont know much about blair, other then him and Bush have prolly slept together once or twice, hes better then Bush though.

I am kinda curious if he is really as unpopular as thatcher?
and why did he win the election(first one) by a landslide yet fail to deliver to such expectations? Did he lie to get the job or did he fail at it?

I hear Brown will win though im guessing hes rightwing? (like bush and blair?) so if they are so unpopular why will they win?

Is the left that bad?(candidates)
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