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Re: 336 Million

Postby Gillipig on Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:05 am

crispybits wrote:Seeing as how that's one fap (about 300 million per go for a healthy male) I'm willing to bet every person on here has killed more than that (even the girls)

Make it 300 billion potential lives then! Damn, never knew I would put Hitler to shame in the number of caused deaths category.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:15 am

_sabotage_ wrote:Well Mets I have and will. I think that you are a pussy, a hypocrite and a false believer. You may think it's cool to call people murderers, insist that it is heaven proclaimed and demand to be the decider for us all, but you sure as shit aren't. You read the Bible in a way to support your own views and wash your hands of the rest, you make yourself open to political manipulation by being a single issue voter and leave us stuck with the Ws of the world, you criminalize millions and hope to enforce hardship on millions more. Eat a dick. Choke on it.


I am not sure where this came from. I am an atheist and quite liberal.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby _sabotage_ on Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:38 am

My bad, meant premio.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:54 am

_sabotage_ wrote:My bad, meant premio.


Oh. Carry on.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:09 am

premio53 wrote:
_sabotage_ wrote:Abortion, like theft, murder, prostitution and drugs, is going to happen, whether legal or illegal. Suggesting that it is against God doesn't mean shit. Most people believe in God at their convenience, if ever. Making it illegal just increases the risk involved.

Forced abortion is another story. If you would like to quote from the Bible, perhaps you should start at the top: Do onto others as you would have others do onto you.

You wouldn't want others to force their beliefs and their decisions on you and in doing so you are breaking the law which governs all others. So stop being a dick. You have your opinions, don't impose them on others and don't call others murderers for disagreeing you fucking hypocrite.

Tell that to an innocent unborn being ripped apart in his mother's womb by greedy doctors and thrown away like a piece of trash!

In China.. you have a point.

In the US, Europe.. you are an ignorant jerk who thinks a little bit of knowledge gives you the right to pass judgement on people and situations you are just too damned LAZY to fully understand or even think about. And don't you DARE claim that you are representing Christ with your ignorant Blather.

Posting stupid pictures just shows your laziness. Real honest debaters look up real facts, don't cherry pick or use stupid attempts to shock. No one ELSE here is ignorant of what abortion is.. YOU are ignorant of why someone, anyone would ever choose that option. The TRUTH Is no one sane really does it if they feel they have other, better options.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby premio53 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:47 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
premio53 wrote:
_sabotage_ wrote:Abortion, like theft, murder, prostitution and drugs, is going to happen, whether legal or illegal. Suggesting that it is against God doesn't mean shit. Most people believe in God at their convenience, if ever. Making it illegal just increases the risk involved.

Forced abortion is another story. If you would like to quote from the Bible, perhaps you should start at the top: Do onto others as you would have others do onto you.

You wouldn't want others to force their beliefs and their decisions on you and in doing so you are breaking the law which governs all others. So stop being a dick. You have your opinions, don't impose them on others and don't call others murderers for disagreeing you fucking hypocrite.

Tell that to an innocent unborn being ripped apart in his mother's womb by greedy doctors and thrown away like a piece of trash!

In China.. you have a point.

In the US, Europe.. you are an ignorant jerk who thinks a little bit of knowledge gives you the right to pass judgement on people and situations you are just too damned LAZY to fully understand or even think about. And don't you DARE claim that you are representing Christ with your ignorant Blather.

Posting stupid pictures just shows your laziness. Real honest debaters look up real facts, don't cherry pick or use stupid attempts to shock. No one ELSE here is ignorant of what abortion is.. YOU are ignorant of why someone, anyone would ever choose that option. The TRUTH Is no one sane really does it if they feel they have other, better options.

The fact of the matter is most people don't give a damn about the killing of innocent unborn babies. As I said once before if you can kill someone because they are too young then you can kill someone because they are too old, or to too black or to politically undesirable. Taken to its logical conclusion Met has a point. At least he is an honest despicable human being.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby crispybits on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:06 am

If a man stabs a 9 month pregnant woman and kills her, and the abandons the body so that it's not found for a while so the baby dies too, is he tried for one count of murder or two?
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Re: 336 Million

Postby premio53 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:23 am

crispybits wrote:If a man stabs a 9 month pregnant woman and kills her, and the abandons the body so that it's not found for a while so the baby dies too, is he tried for one count of murder or two?

In Nazi Germany the definition of murder was changed so that Jews were not legally human and therefore had no human rights. You can change the laws any way you wish but is will not absolve you of guilt.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:32 am

premio53 wrote:
crispybits wrote:If a man stabs a 9 month pregnant woman and kills her, and the abandons the body so that it's not found for a while so the baby dies too, is he tried for one count of murder or two?

In Nazi Germany the definition of murder was changed so that Jews were not legally human and therefore had no human rights. You can change the laws any way you wish but is will not absolve you of guilt.


Do you have a source for that claim? Jews in Nazi Germany were definitely stripped of basically all civil and political rights, but I'm not aware of any change that made it generally legal to murder a Jewish person at that time or that declared them as explicitly not human.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:46 am

premio53 wrote: The fact of the matter is most people don't give a damn about the killing of innocent unborn babies

That you actually believe this is pretty firm proof that you are utterly and completley ignorant.

You have a choice. You can act as a CHRISTIAN, the one you claim to be and act like Christ, actually take pains to truly understand the situations (and reading through my posts in the abortion threads will give you a start... but only a start). OR you can continue to act as the ignorant bully you are now.

Per metafax's "conclusions" they are his, a very extreme view. If you really had true knowledge of this subject you would FIRST understand that.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby crispybits on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:55 am

premio53 wrote:
crispybits wrote:If a man stabs a 9 month pregnant woman and kills her, and the abandons the body so that it's not found for a while so the baby dies too, is he tried for one count of murder or two?

In Nazi Germany the definition of murder was changed so that Jews were not legally human and therefore had no human rights. You can change the laws any way you wish but is will not absolve you of guilt.


Where is my guilt? I haven't ever caused any abortion to happen (to my knowledge - there's always the chance one of the few people I slept with got pregnant and never told me but I'm still in touch with all of them and none of them have ever given me any reason to believe this is so)

I'm just trying to understand why it's illegal to kill a baby inside a mother's womb at one time, but that seems to have no legal standing at a later developmental stage if you also end the life of the mother?
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Re: 336 Million

Postby premio53 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:02 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
premio53 wrote: The fact of the matter is most people don't give a damn about the killing of innocent unborn babies

That you actually believe this is pretty firm proof that you are utterly and completley ignorant.

You have a choice. You can act as a CHRISTIAN, the one you claim to be and act like Christ, actually take pains to truly understand the situations (and reading through my posts in the abortion threads will give you a start... but only a start). OR you can continue to act as the ignorant bully you are now.

Per metafax's "conclusions" they are his, a very extreme view. If you really had true knowledge of this subject you would FIRST understand that.

His views are no more extreme than that of Margaret Sanger. The abortion industry in America has its founding in the Nazi propoganda of a superior race and no amount of logic will cleanse you or anyone else of the guilt of a modern day holocaust.

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Re: 336 Million

Postby Gillipig on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:24 am

premio53 wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
premio53 wrote: The fact of the matter is most people don't give a damn about the killing of innocent unborn babies

That you actually believe this is pretty firm proof that you are utterly and completley ignorant.

You have a choice. You can act as a CHRISTIAN, the one you claim to be and act like Christ, actually take pains to truly understand the situations (and reading through my posts in the abortion threads will give you a start... but only a start). OR you can continue to act as the ignorant bully you are now.

Per metafax's "conclusions" they are his, a very extreme view. If you really had true knowledge of this subject you would FIRST understand that.

His views are no more extreme than that of Margaret Sanger. The abortion industry in America has its founding in the Nazi propoganda of a superior race and no amount of logic will cleanse you or anyone else of the guilt of a modern day holocaust.


Dude are you even for real? No one can be so stupid that they say that and mean it.
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Re: 336 Million

Postby premio53 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:25 am

crispybits wrote:
premio53 wrote:
crispybits wrote:If a man stabs a 9 month pregnant woman and kills her, and the abandons the body so that it's not found for a while so the baby dies too, is he tried for one count of murder or two?

In Nazi Germany the definition of murder was changed so that Jews were not legally human and therefore had no human rights. You can change the laws any way you wish but is will not absolve you of guilt.


Where is my guilt? I haven't ever caused any abortion to happen (to my knowledge - there's always the chance one of the few people I slept with got pregnant and never told me but I'm still in touch with all of them and none of them have ever given me any reason to believe this is so)

I'm just trying to understand why it's illegal to kill a baby inside a mother's womb at one time, but that seems to have no legal standing at a later developmental stage if you also end the life of the mother?

After a speech, pro-life activist Penny Lea was approached by an old man. Weeping, he told her the following story:
http://www.repentamerica.com/singalittlelouder.html

"I lived in Germany during the Nazi holocaust. I considered myself a Christian. I attended church since I was a small boy. We had heard the stories of what was happening to the Jews, but like most people today in this country, we tried to distance ourselves from the reality of what was really taking place. What could anyone do to stop it?

A railroad track ran behind our small church, and each Sunday morning we would hear the whistle from a distance and then the clacking of the wheels moving over the track. We became disturbed when one Sunday we noticed cries coming from the train as it passed by. We grimly realized that the train was carrying Jews. They were like cattle in those cars!

Week after week that train whistle would blow. We would dread to hear the sound of those old wheels because we knew that the Jews would begin to cry out to us as they passed our church. It was so terribly disturbing! We could do nothing to help these poor miserable people, yet their screams tormented us. We knew exactly at what time that whistle would blow, and we decided the only way to keep from being so disturbed by the cries was to start singing our hymns. By the time that train came rumbling past the church yard, we were singing at the top of our voices. If some of the screams reached our ears, we'd just sing a little louder until we could hear them no more. Years have passed and no one talks about it much anymore, but I still hear that train whistle in my sleep. I can still hear them crying out for help. God forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians, yet did nothing to intervene.

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Re: 336 Million

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:54 am

Gillipig wrote:
premio53 wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
premio53 wrote: The fact of the matter is most people don't give a damn about the killing of innocent unborn babies

That you actually believe this is pretty firm proof that you are utterly and completley ignorant.

You have a choice. You can act as a CHRISTIAN, the one you claim to be and act like Christ, actually take pains to truly understand the situations (and reading through my posts in the abortion threads will give you a start... but only a start). OR you can continue to act as the ignorant bully you are now.

Per metafax's "conclusions" they are his, a very extreme view. If you really had true knowledge of this subject you would FIRST understand that.

His views are no more extreme than that of Margaret Sanger. The abortion industry in America has its founding in the Nazi propoganda of a superior race and no amount of logic will cleanse you or anyone else of the guilt of a modern day holocaust.


Dude are you even for real? No one can be so stupid that they say that and mean it.

Obviously, they can... all it takes is a bit of intentional ignorance and belief that listening to one side's views is equal to listening to the whole debate.
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