Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:
Yes, and that reason is that you are a coward.
I do not read your posts. You are Foed for a reason.
Your willingness to change my quotes that you're not reading really doesn't make you less of a chickenshit.
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Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:
Yes, and that reason is that you are a coward.
I do not read your posts. You are Foed for a reason.
Juan_Bottom wrote:We never said that.
But just because it's an Amendment does not make it Holy. You can't appeal to the Constitution as your excuse for why something should or shouldn't be legal. Remember, slavery was legal under the Constitution and the Confederacy made appeals to the Constitution for why it should remain legal. It's protection under the Constitution was part of the majority argument in the Dredd-Scott decision.
The Amendments should stand or fall on their own merits. Maybe it had some strong merits when it was written, but that's not to say the benefits are the same today. Guns are different, the wars are over, citizens do not belong to militias anymore, violence is different, and our cities have changed. We can't look at modern gun control prohibitions through the eyes of a 17th century dandy.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Therefore, the other 309,999,988 people cannot defend themselves?
Are guns used for defense? Well yeah, but only 2.2% of the time a gun takes a life. The logic doesn't hold fast.
"We need more guns to protect ourselves from all the people who have guns"
You take gun rights away from criminals to protect yourself, but then you do nothing to stop them from acquiring guns through a medium. You're creating the violence.
Phatscotty wrote:JB you've sunk to an all time low
I could just as easily post a bunch of pictures of disarmed Jews, disarmed African American slaves, disarmed Native Americans, who all met a similar fate to each person you are exploiting with that picture. Except there is one difference, and it's all the difference in the world.
The people you are exploiting are accidents. The people who have died after being disarmed was systemically implemented, and numbers in the hundreds of millions.
Context JB. In your lifetime, get some
Juan_Bottom wrote:Those shooting victims above are not accidents.
Juan_Bottom wrote:All this bullshit you spew about protecting rights, what about protecting our kids?
Night Strike wrote:If you don't believe the 2nd amendment should exist, then why aren't you supporting repealing it through the proper protocol? Why do you want to just pass laws and regulations until people are practically banned from exercising that right? We have a process for properly amending the Constitution; Congressional laws and administration regulations is not the proper process.
Night Strike wrote:
Why does the gun have to be used to kill somebody to count as using it in self defense? Most criminals are cowards. If their victims fight back, they'll run away to find someone easier to victimize. The easiest way for people of all shapes, sizes, and strengths to defend themselves against anyone is with a gun, so why do you want to get rid of the easiest method of self defense? Just showing the gun is often enough to get the cowardly criminal to back away.
Take the shooting in the Oregon mall a few months ago. Only 2 people died because someone used a gun to confront the shooter. The defender never had to actually fire his gun, yet the shooting spree was stopped because of the confrontation. Does that not count as legitimate self defense to you since the defender didn't shoot the assailant?
Your 2.2% stat is irrelevant to whether or not a gun can be used as self defense because firing it has never been a condition of successful self defense.
Night Strike wrote:Why does the gun have to be used to kill somebody to count as using it in self defense? Most criminals are cowards. If their victims fight back, they'll run away to find someone easier to victimize. The easiest way for people of all shapes, sizes, and strengths to defend themselves against anyone is with a gun, so why do you want to get rid of the easiest method of self defense?
Juan_Bottom wrote:Those shooting victims above are not accidents. You're blocking background checks, and rational gun control legislation. That's how kids die. You do that.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Sensible gun control and background checks could prevent criminals from ever getting a gun.
Juan_Bottom wrote:What are the stats for people who defend themselves with guns but don't fire a shot? If criminals are cowardly, and naturally they should be, then wouldn't a phone do the same trick as a gun?
Juan_Bottom wrote:And wouldn't a hunting rifle be just as good as a handgun or AR-15?
Phatscotty wrote:It's all just talk at this point. You gun controllers got your straight up vote, and you lost. You couldn't pass a single thing, not even in a Democrat controlled Congress, not even close. Now stfu and let Freedom ring
Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Why does the gun have to be used to kill somebody to count as using it in self defense? Most criminals are cowards. If their victims fight back, they'll run away to find someone easier to victimize. The easiest way for people of all shapes, sizes, and strengths to defend themselves against anyone is with a gun, so why do you want to get rid of the easiest method of self defense?
The easiest way for people to defend themselves is actually to simply be more aware of their surroundings. Most people who are victimized by crime outside of their own homes are victimized because they're not paying attention as well as they should be, for whatever reason.
Note that I'm not at all excusing the criminal or blaming the victim. It's simply reality that awareness of surroundings is very important to your personal safety, and most people are exceptionally lazy about it.
Juan_Bottom wrote:The Calackamas Mall shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian with a concealed gun. He ran out of targets and committed suicide with his AR-15. I can only imagine that a shoot-out in a mall would have made things worse. If that stolen AR had insurance, the victims would all have received insurance payments to help rebuild their lives. That's sensible.
Juan_Bottom wrote:What are the stats for people who defend themselves with guns but don't fire a shot? If criminals are cowardly, and naturally they should be, then wouldn't a phone do the same trick as a gun? And wouldn't a hunting rifle be just as good as a handgun or AR-15?
Night Strike wrote:... And how does a phone provide physical protection?
Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:Why does the gun have to be used to kill somebody to count as using it in self defense? Most criminals are cowards. If their victims fight back, they'll run away to find someone easier to victimize. The easiest way for people of all shapes, sizes, and strengths to defend themselves against anyone is with a gun, so why do you want to get rid of the easiest method of self defense?
The easiest way for people to defend themselves is actually to simply be more aware of their surroundings. Most people who are victimized by crime outside of their own homes are victimized because they're not paying attention as well as they should be, for whatever reason.
Note that I'm not at all excusing the criminal or blaming the victim. It's simply reality that awareness of surroundings is very important to your personal safety, and most people are exceptionally lazy about it.
How is a woman being aware of a man twice her size nearby her actually make her any safer if he chooses to attack her? Awareness is a state of being; a carried gun is a tool to respond to the things a person is aware of if necessary.
Night Strike wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:The Calackamas Mall shooter wasn't stopped by a civilian with a concealed gun. He ran out of targets and committed suicide with his AR-15. I can only imagine that a shoot-out in a mall would have made things worse. If that stolen AR had insurance, the victims would all have received insurance payments to help rebuild their lives. That's sensible.
Insurance doesn't pay out for criminal activities.
Night Strike wrote:And why would the person who stole the gun have insurance anyway? And why do you want to blame the owner of the gun for the crimes instead of the actual criminal? Why should the owner of the gun be punished with paying for insurance when he's not the one committing the crime?
Night Strike wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:What are the stats for people who defend themselves with guns but don't fire a shot? If criminals are cowardly, and naturally they should be, then wouldn't a phone do the same trick as a gun? And wouldn't a hunting rifle be just as good as a handgun or AR-15?
I didn't know a rifle could be concealed to be used in public. And how does a phone provided physical protection?
Phatscotty wrote:It's all just talk at this point. You gun controllers got your straight up vote, and you lost. You couldn't pass a single thing, not even in a Democrat controlled Congress, not even close.
Now stfu and let Freedom ring
Phatscotty wrote:It's all just talk at this point. You gun controllers got your straight up vote, and you lost. You couldn't pass a single thing, not even in a Democrat controlled Congress, not even close.
Now stfu and let Freedom ring
Evil Semp wrote:Phatscotty wrote:It's all just talk at this point. You gun controllers got your straight up vote, and you lost. You couldn't pass a single thing, not even in a Democrat controlled Congress, not even close.
Now stfu and let Freedom ring
So the gun controllers lost the vote so now they can't express their opinion? Let freedom ring only for those who agree with you?
Night Strike wrote:I guess if the government can force you to buy insurance simply for breathing, they could grant themselves the authority to force you to buy insurance to exercise a Constitutional right.
Evil Semp wrote:Phatscotty wrote:It's all just talk at this point. You gun controllers got your straight up vote, and you lost. You couldn't pass a single thing, not even in a Democrat controlled Congress, not even close.
Now stfu and let Freedom ring
So the gun controllers lost the vote so now they can't express their opinion? Let freedom ring only for those who agree with you?
Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:I guess if the government can force you to buy insurance simply for breathing, they could grant themselves the authority to force you to buy insurance to exercise a Constitutional right.
Much like owning a car, it is still a choice as to whether one owns a gun or not.
I recognize that there's a difference as it is considered a Constitutional right to own a gun, but the choice is still there.
Night Strike wrote:Woodruff wrote:Night Strike wrote:I guess if the government can force you to buy insurance simply for breathing, they could grant themselves the authority to force you to buy insurance to exercise a Constitutional right.
Much like owning a car, it is still a choice as to whether one owns a gun or not.
I recognize that there's a difference as it is considered a Constitutional right to own a gun, but the choice is still there.
So why do you support massive government-imposed costs to exercising one right, yet you oppose a very small cost to get an ID to vote? It doesn't make sense to me.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Phatscotty wrote:You have seen which way the ball is rolling. We are winning, and now we are going to seal the deal.
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Phatscotty wrote:Evil Semp wrote:Phatscotty wrote:It's all just talk at this point. You gun controllers got your straight up vote, and you lost. You couldn't pass a single thing, not even in a Democrat controlled Congress, not even close.
Now stfu and let Freedom ring
So the gun controllers lost the vote so now they can't express their opinion? Let freedom ring only for those who agree with you?
Winners get the win, and the losers have to lose.
If you want to keep making the losing argument, yes, you have the freedom to let it ring. But it's a loss.
Gay marriage just passed in Minnesota. As for myself I'm giving it a rest and we're gonna live and let live. My people voted on it and it passed and I don't have any problems with the process. I'm proud of the way we handled it. Should I keep going on and on and on about it???? Or do you think, if I did keep going on and on and on about it, that it would be called for for the same-sexers to tell me to STFU?
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