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Re: Gun Control

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:00 pm

The stats regarding sexual assault indicate a large number of victims are children or young adults, and likely wouldn't or couldn't be packin' heat:

RAINN Statitics wrote:15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12.3

29% are age 12-17.
44% are under age 18.3
80% are under age 30.3
12-34 are the highest risk years.
Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault
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Prevention of sexual assault can be accomplished with more effective means than a gun I think, and RAINN seems to suggest this on their website as well.


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Re: Gun Control

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:18 pm

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Re: Gun Control

Postby comic boy on Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:43 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
ooge wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Analogous thinking can be misleading.


So can blindly following and Ideology =D> =D> =D>


Do people have the right to protect themselves? The right to life?



Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. your life my life are more important then your liberty my liberty...that is why the founders put it in that order. I cant take credit for this idea a father of a slain child from Newtown said it.


If only it was a crime to shoot people...


Serious question , in cases of accidental firearm deaths do people in the USA ever get prosecuted for manslaughter or something similar. Also are there laws protecting the families of gun owners , I know children have been killed whilst playing with firearms , are the parents ever prosecuted for neglect.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:08 pm

But the authors of the "gun control" bill admit that it wouldn't have done anything to prevent any of the mass shootings over the last few years, so it's basically feel-good legislation

And to all the people who think closing the "loopholes" would prevent a shooting, please tell us which of the mass shooters in the recent past got their gun through a "loophole"?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:21 pm

comic boy wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
ooge wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Analogous thinking can be misleading.


So can blindly following and Ideology =D> =D> =D>


Do people have the right to protect themselves? The right to life?



Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. your life my life are more important then your liberty my liberty...that is why the founders put it in that order. I cant take credit for this idea a father of a slain child from Newtown said it.


If only it was a crime to shoot people...


Serious question , in cases of accidental firearm deaths do people in the USA ever get prosecuted for manslaughter or something similar. Also are there laws protecting the families of gun owners , I know children have been killed whilst playing with firearms , are the parents ever prosecuted for neglect.


Just like car accidents...
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:51 pm

comic boy wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
ooge wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Analogous thinking can be misleading.


So can blindly following and Ideology =D> =D> =D>


Do people have the right to protect themselves? The right to life?



Life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. your life my life are more important then your liberty my liberty...that is why the founders put it in that order. I cant take credit for this idea a father of a slain child from Newtown said it.


If only it was a crime to shoot people...


Serious question , in cases of accidental firearm deaths do people in the USA ever get prosecuted for manslaughter or something similar. Also are there laws protecting the families of gun owners , I know children have been killed whilst playing with firearms , are the parents ever prosecuted for neglect.


Yes - sometimes. Neglegent Homocide, but that's all up to prosecutors.
http://www.ktxs.com/news/Neighbors-mour ... index.html

Here you have a 4 year old girl, shot in the head through a wall, by an adult who was "cleaning a loaded gun." Not a crime, apparently.
Each week occupy the NRA has about 10 news stories shared with us about kids "accidentally" killed by adults or teenagers. It's obviously not common, given the size of America, but that's 10 deaths a week that can easily be prevented.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:40 am

anyone think that the taxes should go up for the sale of guns and ammunition to pay for all the security that is needed because of the overabundance of guns in the USA? Or a gun owners insurance against all the wrongful deaths that occur as a result of guns?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:42 am

ooge wrote:anyone think that the taxes should go up for the sale of guns and ammunition to pay for all the security that is needed because of the overabundance of guns in the USA? Or a gun owners insurance against all the wrongful deaths that occur as a result of guns?


No and no. How is there an overabundance of guns and according to whom? Gun ownership is actually down over the last several decades. And gun insurance would do absolutely nothing to prevent killings.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby chang50 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:22 am

Night Strike wrote:
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No and no. How is there an overabundance of guns and according to whom? Gun ownership is actually down over the last several decades. And gun insurance would do absolutely nothing to prevent killings.


There can't be many countries where there is about 1 gun per head of population,including children and the incarcerated,and large numbers of the population can see no problem with that.Must be working out just fine...
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Re: Gun Control

Postby notyou2 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:24 am

Road to disaster and we are living next to them. I hope they go south, not north when it happens.

Sorry Nietsche.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:41 pm

ooge wrote:anyone think that the taxes should go up for the sale of guns and ammunition to pay for all the security that is needed because of the overabundance of guns in the USA? Or a gun owners insurance against all the wrongful deaths that occur as a result of guns?


Most likely not, cuz

1. increasing the price on legal guns might not affect the price on illegal guns
2. if it does, it may not be enough of a price increase
3. this taxes unnecessarily punishes responsible citizens for participating in a relatively safe form of entertainment
4. those taxes will most likely not go to "additional security cuz too many guns in US."


No to insurance program. Imposing costs on a group which isn't responsible for the outcomes of other people's guns would not incentivize people to commit less crimes---especially if they obtained the gun illegally, thereby can avoid the insurance scheme.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:12 pm

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Night Strike wrote:
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No and no. How is there an overabundance of guns and according to whom? Gun ownership is actually down over the last several decades. And gun insurance would do absolutely nothing to prevent killings.


There can't be many countries where there is about 1 gun per head of population,including children and the incarcerated,and large numbers of the population can see no problem with that.Must be working out just fine...


It is working out just fine. In 99% of the USA's counties, there are 0-1 homocides per year.

The problem is almost entirely in the cities, and the problem is caused by a plethora of different reasons, such as race, age, culture, income, education, peer pressure, children born out of wedlock, gangs, and laws. It is not because of all the guns people who do not live in the city own.
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Re: Gun Control (Eric Holder admits brainwashing/confiscatio

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:09 pm

No Senator has read the bill. Anyone surprised?



Which is how you get to this, intentionally brainwashing Americans and confiscation

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Re: Gun Control

Postby comic boy on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:49 am

Phatscotty wrote:
chang50 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:anyone think that the taxes should go up for the sale of guns and ammunition to pay for all the security that is needed because of the overabundance of guns in the USA? Or a gun owners insurance against all the wrongful deaths that occur as a result of guns?


No and no. How is there an overabundance of guns and according to whom? Gun ownership is actually down over the last several decades. And gun insurance would do absolutely nothing to prevent killings.


There can't be many countries where there is about 1 gun per head of population,including children and the incarcerated,and large numbers of the population can see no problem with that.Must be working out just fine...


It is working out just fine. In 99% of the USA's counties, there are 0-1 homocides per year.

The problem is almost entirely in the cities, and the problem is caused by a plethora of different reasons, such as race, age, culture, income, education, peer pressure, children born out of wedlock, gangs, and laws. It is not because of all the guns people who do not live in the city own.


I have no idea if your figures are correct , perhaps you might supply some data , but if things are 'just fine' then why the continued debate ?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:41 am

Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:anyone think that the taxes should go up for the sale of guns and ammunition to pay for all the security that is needed because of the overabundance of guns in the USA? Or a gun owners insurance against all the wrongful deaths that occur as a result of guns?


No and no. How is there an overabundance of guns and according to whom? Gun ownership is actually down over the last several decades. And gun insurance would do absolutely nothing to prevent killings.

America is a lot like the scene from the Matrix.

Tank: So what do you need? Besides a miracle.
Neo: Guns. Lots of guns.


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