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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Thu May 16, 2013 7:50 pm

Evil Semp wrote:And just for the record I am not in favor of taking guns away from citizens. I just think there should background checks and cooling off periods before someone walks out with a gun.


But that implies that everyone is out to kill someone with the gun they're buying. Why should all citizens be assumed to be killers just because they want a gun? What if people actually need the gun quickly?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Evil Semp on Thu May 16, 2013 8:04 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:And just for the record I am not in favor of taking guns away from citizens. I just think there should background checks and cooling off periods before someone walks out with a gun.


But that implies that everyone is out to kill someone with the gun they're buying.


And where did I say that? You and PS have an ability to stretch things.

Night Strike wrote:Why should all citizens be assumed to be killers just because they want a gun?


Why do you assume that a background check is because of assumed killers? What about convicted felons who aren't allowed to own guns or even handle them?

Night Strike wrote:What if people actually need the gun quickly?


If you need a gun that quickly the police might be a better option. I would think that part of a cooling off period would prevent someone who had an argument from running out and buying a gun and confronting the person they had an argument with. Possibly preventing a murder.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Thu May 16, 2013 8:13 pm

No, you assumed everyone needs a cool down period to buying a gun, which is where the implication that everyone wants to kill comes from, not the background check.

Or, the cooling down time will prevent a woman who has a stalker from protecting herself when he finally decides to do more than stalk the next night, which means it could cause a murder rather than prevent one. We can't have a police officer at our side 24/7 to protect us.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 8:22 pm

Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:I wonder if anyone's view point would be swayed if every day in this thread was posted the days death count by guns and the explanation of each death. or if the media did it as well what the long term affect would be.


Just as long as they share every detail as well about the people who defend themselves with guns, whether they discharge the weapon or not.


I can except that.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Evil Semp on Thu May 16, 2013 8:26 pm

Night Strike wrote:No, you assumed everyone needs a cool down period to buying a gun, which is where the implication that everyone wants to kill comes from, not the background check.


No I did not assume everyone needs a cooling down period. Run out, buy a gun, go confront the person you had a fight with and try to intimidate them.

Night Strike wrote:Or, the cooling down time will prevent a woman who has a stalker from protecting herself when he finally decides to do more than stalk the next night, which means it could cause a murder rather than prevent one. We can't have a police officer at our side 24/7 to protect us.


If my daughter had a stalker I would have her stay with me or I would stay at her place. The most important thing is to get out of that situation at that time. Stay at a friends house. Friends are amazing in troubled times. And call the cops.

Now I will do one of your tricks here. The stalking victim goes out, buys a gun and accidentally shoots herself when she loads the gun after getting home. Now we have a accidental shooting that could result in the stalking victims death.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 8:30 pm

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Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:I wonder if anyone's view point would be swayed if every day in this thread was posted the days death count by guns and the explanation of each death. or if the media did it as well what the long term affect would be.


Just as long as they share every detail as well about the people who defend themselves with guns, whether they discharge the weapon or not.


Here is a start.

http://wap.nytimes.com/blogs/nocera/201 ... rom=nocera


NS if you want to post details of those who defend themselves then you should provide it.

And just for the record I am not in favor of taking guns away from citizens. I just think there should background checks and cooling off periods before someone walks out with a gun.


we can add NASCAR racer Dick trickle to this list suicide by gun. guns for hunting I support that's about all. Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Thu May 16, 2013 10:54 pm

ooge wrote:we can add NASCAR racer Dick trickle to this list suicide by gun. guns for hunting I support that's about all. Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.


Racist much? Besides, if you want to look at the true victims of most gun violence, it's black people who live in the same big cities that ban their citizens from owning guns. Why are you against black people protecting themselves?


Evil Semp wrote:Now I will do one of your tricks here. The stalking victim goes out, buys a gun and accidentally shoots herself when she loads the gun after getting home. Now we have a accidental shooting that could result in the stalking victims death.


Really? You really think that's a plausible scenario?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 10:57 pm

ooge wrote:Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.



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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 11:35 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
ooge wrote:Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.



racist


typical response from the all white party apologists.who with their conservatives values have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 11:39 pm

ooge wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
ooge wrote:Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.



racist


typical response from the all white party apologists.who with their conservatives values have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history.


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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 11:41 pm

Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:we can add NASCAR racer Dick trickle to this list suicide by gun. guns for hunting I support that's about all. Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.


Racist much? Besides, if you want to look at the true victims of most gun violence, it's black people who live in the same big cities that ban their citizens from owning guns. Why are you against black people protecting themselves?


Evil Semp wrote:Now I will do one of your tricks here. The stalking victim goes out, buys a gun and accidentally shoots herself when she loads the gun after getting home. Now we have a accidental shooting that could result in the stalking victims death.


Really? You really think that's a plausible scenario?


Why are you in favor of as many dead Americans as possible from gun violence? Australia eliminated guns,mass shootings decreased to zero.They were averaging one a year.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 11:46 pm

zero? wow...



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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 11:57 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
ooge wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
ooge wrote:Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.



racist


typical response from the all white party apologists.who with their conservatives values have ALWAYS been on the wrong side of history.




disingenuous and idiotic...notice I said CONSERVATIVES. Everyone knows the democratic party flipped with the republican party and those racists in the democratic party became Dixiecrats then eventually republicans. example Strom Thurmond. You think Abe Lincoln would be a Republican today? dream on.ever heard of Richard Nixons southern strategy to win the White House? or Reagan announcing he was running for president the first time at a state fair in the same county were those civil rights workers were killed and declaring "I believe in states rights" code word for if your state wants to be racist I am all for it.Bush the first and the Willie Horton ad.Showing a menacing afro-american being released from jail. This played into the "white peoples fear" bias. The guy who made that ad for Bush apologized on his death bed about how unfair and biased it was.The republican party only knows how to win one way,Scare the voters.play to the white vote.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Fri May 17, 2013 12:00 am

Phatscotty wrote:zero? wow...



Thornheart much?


So we could believe The POOP Eater or the former PM of Australia.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Fri May 17, 2013 12:08 am

gun nuts watch this.
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