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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Fri May 17, 2013 12:13 am

Another interesting observation.

Background checks wouldn't even pass this community as being effective.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri May 17, 2013 12:43 am

Night Strike wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:And just for the record I am not in favor of taking guns away from citizens. I just think there should background checks and cooling off periods before someone walks out with a gun.


But that implies that everyone is out to kill someone with the gun they're buying. Why should all citizens be assumed to be killers just because they want a gun? What if people actually need the gun quickly?


Should all dogs be assumed to be dangerous until proven otherwise?
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This is why fast & furious happened. Drug Cartels send agents here to buy weapons at trade shows where they don't have to be subjected to a background check. Why should you assume everyone who wants to buy a gun is even a citizen? Al Qaeda tells it's followers how to buy guns in the US. The Cartels actively buy weapons here every day.


Night Strike wrote:Really? You really think that's a plausible scenario?

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Re: Gun Control

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri May 17, 2013 4:12 am

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I'd use a gun on it.

Wouldn't you?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri May 17, 2013 9:24 am

I like the sound of this! A New 'Smart Rifle' Decides When To Shoot And Rarely Misses

...It's called the TrackingPoint rifle. On a firing range just outside Austin in the city of Liberty Hill, a novice shooter holds one and takes aim at a target 500 yards away. Normally it takes years of practice to hit something at that distance. But this shooter nails it on the first try.

The rifle's scope features a sophisticated . The shooter locks a laser on the target by pushing a small button by the trigger. It's like a video game. But here's where it's different: You pull the trigger but the gun decides when to shoot. It fires only when the weapon has been pointed in exactly the right place, taking into account dozens of variables, including wind, shake and distance to the target.

The rifle has a built-in laser range finder, a ballistics computer and a Wi-Fi transmitter to stream live video and audio to a nearby iPad. Every shot is recorded so it can be replayed, or posted to YouTube or Facebook.

...

"It has a password protection on the scope. When a user stores it, he can password protect the scope that takes the advanced functionality out. So the gun will still operate as a firearm itself, but you cannot do the tag/track/exact, the long range, the technology-driven precision-guided firearm piece without entering that pass code,"



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Re: Gun Control

Postby Evil Semp on Fri May 17, 2013 10:33 am

Night Strike wrote:
ooge wrote:we can add NASCAR racer Dick trickle to this list suicide by gun. guns for hunting I support that's about all. Guns for all this self defense is what I call "white peoples fear",this same fear is why a Afro-american president is so unacceptable for them.


Racist much? Besides, if you want to look at the true victims of most gun violence, it's black people who live in the same big cities that ban their citizens from owning guns. Why are you against black people protecting themselves?


Evil Semp wrote:Now I will do one of your tricks here. The stalking victim goes out, buys a gun and accidentally shoots herself when she loads the gun after getting home. Now we have a accidental shooting that could result in the stalking victims death.


Really? You really think that's a plausible scenario?


That is as plausible as this comment by you.

Night Strike wrote:No, you assumed everyone needs a cool down period to buying a gun, which is where the implication that everyone wants to kill comes from, not the background check.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri May 17, 2013 11:53 am

AndyDufresne wrote:I like the sound of this! A New 'Smart Rifle' Decides When To Shoot And Rarely Misses

...It's called the TrackingPoint rifle. On a firing range just outside Austin in the city of Liberty Hill, a novice shooter holds one and takes aim at a target 500 yards away. Normally it takes years of practice to hit something at that distance. But this shooter nails it on the first try.

The rifle's scope features a sophisticated . The shooter locks a laser on the target by pushing a small button by the trigger. It's like a video game. But here's where it's different: You pull the trigger but the gun decides when to shoot. It fires only when the weapon has been pointed in exactly the right place, taking into account dozens of variables, including wind, shake and distance to the target.

The rifle has a built-in laser range finder, a ballistics computer and a Wi-Fi transmitter to stream live video and audio to a nearby iPad. Every shot is recorded so it can be replayed, or posted to YouTube or Facebook.

...

"It has a password protection on the scope. When a user stores it, he can password protect the scope that takes the advanced functionality out. So the gun will still operate as a firearm itself, but you cannot do the tag/track/exact, the long range, the technology-driven precision-guided firearm piece without entering that pass code,"



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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:45 am

Night Strike wrote:
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But that implies that everyone is out to kill someone with the gun they're buying. Why should all citizens be assumed to be killers just because they want a gun? What if people actually need the gun quickly?


It doesn't imply or assume any such thing.

And if someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest they should instead head for the local police station.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:47 am

ooge wrote: we can add NASCAR racer Dick trickle to this list suicide by gun.


Completely off-topic, but holy shit what a name. Is that his original parentally-given name?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:49 am

Woodruff wrote:
And if someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest they should instead head for the local police station.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:51 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
And if someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest they should instead head for the local police station.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

wow! yeah, just tell the criminal to hold on while you get your shoes on and grab your car keys...but don't tell the burglar/rapist you are going to the police station. Tell them you are going for a stroll


So the person has time to run to Wal-Mart to buy a gun, but not time to run to a police station? You don't seem to have thought your argument through, as usual.

By the way, aren't I foed? Wanting to hit the Baker's Dozen, are you?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat May 18, 2013 12:54 am

"We need guns to protect ourselves from all the people who have guns."
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 1:39 am

far more people are killed without a gun than with a gun. You think that just because someone does not have or cannot get a gun, they aren't going to kill someone?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Sat May 18, 2013 4:21 am

Woodruff wrote:
ooge wrote: we can add NASCAR racer Dick trickle to this list suicide by gun.


Completely off-topic, but holy shit what a name. Is that his original parentally-given name?


Yup I am afraid so.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby ooge on Sat May 18, 2013 4:31 am

Phatscotty wrote:far more people are killed without a gun than with a gun. You think that just because someone does not have or cannot get a gun, they aren't going to kill someone?


some kind of Scary world some Americans live in,I wonder if these scared Americans are even able to leave their homes or are they too paralyzed by fear.All the things that could do them harm murderers,rapists, the government.black helicopters,extra-terrestrials,Bigfoot......
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat May 18, 2013 8:28 am

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Night Strike wrote:
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But that implies that everyone is out to kill someone with the gun they're buying. Why should all citizens be assumed to be killers just because they want a gun? What if people actually need the gun quickly?


It doesn't imply or assume any such thing.

And if someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest they should instead head for the local police station.


The police don't hand out or sell guns for personal protection. And it's highly doubtful they'll send an officer to be someone's personal security for a while.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 11:01 am

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:And just for the record I am not in favor of taking guns away from citizens. I just think there should background checks and cooling off periods before someone walks out with a gun.


But that implies that everyone is out to kill someone with the gun they're buying. Why should all citizens be assumed to be killers just because they want a gun? What if people actually need the gun quickly?


It doesn't imply or assume any such thing.

And if someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest they should instead head for the local police station.


The police don't hand out or sell guns for personal protection. And it's highly doubtful they'll send an officer to be someone's personal security for a while.


If someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest to you that there is absolutely something the police can do regarding the situation. Otherwise, that individual really doesn't "need a gun that quickly".
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Evil Semp on Sat May 18, 2013 1:31 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
And if someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest they should instead head for the local police station.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

wow! yeah, just tell the criminal to hold on while you get your shoes on and grab your car keys...but don't tell the burglar/rapist you are going to the police station. Tell them you are going for a stroll


Tell the burglar/rapist to hold on while you run down to the gun store. I am sure he will wait for your return.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 2:13 pm

Joe Scarborough, Piers Morgan: Obama Scandals Prove Gun Advocates Aren’t Crazy

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How big of a wake-up call are the Obama scandals, especially the ones surrounding the seizing of phone records from the Associated Press and the IRS’s targeting of conservatives? So big that two of the media’s most shameful and shameless gun control advocates — Joe Scarborough and Piers Morgan — have finally conceded that arguments made by pro-Second Amendment activists against the expanding of background checks might not be so ridiculous.

In a roundtable discussion on Friday’s “Morning Joe,” Scarborough said that because of the IRS scandal, “My argument is less persuasive today because of these scandals.” He added: “People say, ‘Hey, if they do this with the IRS, asking people what books you read, then how can I trust them with information about my Second Amendment rights?’”

Mika agreed completely: “That is a really, really good point.” Even the Huffington Post’s Sam Stein agreed.



Scarborough added that when it comes to both background checks and immigration reform, the IRS scandal is “devastating,” because both of those pieces of legislation ask us to trust the kind of government that would seize the media’s phone records and use the IRS to target a president’s political foes.

Also courtesy of NRO, here is no-less than Piers Morgan conceding he was wrong to ridicule gun-rights activists (including our own Ben Shapiro) for making the argument that a legitimate fear of government tyranny is what makes the Second Amendment so crucial:




Though I was appalled by the media’s relentless and shameless push last month to pass the Toomey-Manchin bill that would have tightened background checks, I did support its passage, and said so many times while criticizing the media for their disgusting behavior. But this chilling reminder of how corrupt the federal government is has changed my mind completely.

Moreover, our government is not only corrupt, it is vigorously protected by a media that is just as corrupt (NEVER forget the media ignored, dismissed, and even defended the IRS targeting conservatives).


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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat May 18, 2013 7:12 pm

Woodruff wrote:If someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest to you that there is absolutely something the police can do regarding the situation. Otherwise, that individual really doesn't "need a gun that quickly".


Why do you have the right to decide the reason a person needs a gun and when they need it? Or even want it? Why are people who want to buy a gun presumed guilty until proven innocent? Background checks and waiting periods only presume the buyer is guilty and forces them to prove their own innocence before exercising their Constitutional rights.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat May 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Night Strike wrote:Why do you have the right to decide...

Is something more should take to heart, about all sorts of things. :D


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Re: Gun Control

Postby kentington on Sat May 18, 2013 10:21 pm

Woodruff wrote:If someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest to you that there is absolutely something the police can do regarding the situation. Otherwise, that individual really doesn't "need a gun that quickly".


I am in favor of innocent until proven guilty. However, I don't see the harm in waiting a week to receive a firearm. I also know that I would whine if something were to happen to me, in that waiting period, that could have been prevented with a firearm.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 10:33 pm

Tis better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have one.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby kentington on Sat May 18, 2013 10:35 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Tis better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have one.


I think their point was that someone with a clean background and is generally mentally stable may at one point become overwhelmed with their situation and decide to get a gun for a wrong reason. The cool down time would allow said person to come back to their senses.
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Night Strike on Sat May 18, 2013 11:27 pm

kentington wrote:
Woodruff wrote:If someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest to you that there is absolutely something the police can do regarding the situation. Otherwise, that individual really doesn't "need a gun that quickly".


I am in favor of innocent until proven guilty. However, I don't see the harm in waiting a week to receive a firearm. I also know that I would whine if something were to happen to me, in that waiting period, that could have been prevented with a firearm.


So you'll also be okay with someone being detained without charges or Miranda rights for a week?
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Re: Gun Control

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 11:31 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:If someone legitimately "needs a gun that quickly", then I would suggest to you that there is absolutely something the police can do regarding the situation. Otherwise, that individual really doesn't "need a gun that quickly".


Why do you have the right to decide the reason a person needs a gun and when they need it? Or even want it? Why are people who want to buy a gun presumed guilty until proven innocent? Background checks and waiting periods only presume the buyer is guilty and forces them to prove their own innocence before exercising their Constitutional rights.


Yeah, I didn't think you'd have a response to that either.

As for your Constitutional rights, Night Strike, THEY ALL HAVE REASONABLE LIMITATIONS ON THEM. All of them. Every single one of them. And they MUST have those limitations. There is nothing wrong with that.

Background checks do NOT "only presume the buyer is guilty" and anyone who holds to that hardline position is trying to twist the perspective quite badly.
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