waauw wrote:Gillipig wrote:One question, no puns intended or anything; have you read the books?
I largely agree with what you're saying, I also cringed when they started calling her mother and worshiping her (that happened in the book as well but I just fast read past it). It made little sense and that's particularly painful to see in a series that is otherwise pretty logical. Things don't go your way unless you do all the right things and even then you're not safe from bad luck (ex, Tyrion did nothing wrong and still got thrown in jail for the murder attempt on Bran). But if your name is Daenarys, you're safe. She's almost as naive as her brother and while he was very openly arrogant, her arrogance is more subtle but you can definitely tell that it runs in the family. You forgot to mention that time when she was about to drink poison but Jorah saved her. She's basically a naive duckling that only survives because Mr Martin needed her to. He thought of this character he wanted to include, realized she would have to live for a long time in the book, but couldn't quite make it seem likely that she actually would, if this was a real world. But hey, the man has done so many things right, Tyrion is a master stroke for example.
well maybe he is building up positivity to make it all come crashing down, which is why we love mr. martin's work
'the bigger the rise, the bigger the fall'
I expect her to sit the iron throne at some point, that seems inevitable, everything is leading up to that, the question is though, how long will she hold it? I personally hope that she doesn't draw the longest straw in the end, I can think of several people I'd rather see walk away with it. One thing to keep in mind with Daenerys is that she can't ride all three dragons at the same time herself, she'll need to find others to trust, and with trust comes......the possibility of betrayal hehe.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:Gillipig wrote:One question, no puns intended or anything; have you read the books?
No. I'm gonna wait and see if he actually finishes them before starting reading.
And yeah, the Daenerys storyline just seems so shitty compared to all the others. I really don't get how they were all written by the same guy.
Wise choice. He's getting pretty old and his health is far from good, if he dies on us we will never know how it ended, but then again the same thing goes for the tv series watchers.
Daenerys is not a bad story, the thought is pretty good, the exiled daughter of the old king, sister of a man unfit to lead, takes over and succeeds where he fails, slowly she grows more powerful and eventually launches an attack on the king to take back what is rightfully hers. Quite original actually. I think her story is pretty awesome, but the execution, the way it is written, is not all that good. One of the hardest things when you write the story of a character, and I know this first hand because I have some experience writing fantasy/science fiction, is to make sure that the reader never knows what will happen next. Ideally the reader should consider it just as likely that a main character dies as survives any danger they face. If he/she dies now
this lesson could be drawn from her fate and
this is how the story would continue even without him/her. If at any prolonged period of time the reader doesn't feel that sense of
anything can happen to this character they stop being interesting. And that's where Mr Martin went wrong with Daenerys, he has made her "unkillable" for a very long period of time, whatever danger she faced you always knew she would survive it because she hasn't launched her attack on Westeros yet. It's first when she does that that her story becomes interesting again. Right now she's immortal, and that's why she has had so much luck, because the book needs her to live, or it will pass up on an amazing story with dragons returning to Westeros and the return of the Targaryens.
To make her mortal during her conquest of the east, Mr Martin would probably have to have kept Viserys alive for much longer. Had he been alive, it is plausible to think the story could go on even if she died. And that would've given the reader some doubts whether she would actually make it. Or say something completely different, King Robert had more than a dozen bastards, what if the Mad King had a bastard son, who like her also carried the dragonblood. Say that he emerged and joined her side early on in her conquest of the east, all of a sudden you have another Targaryen (by blood), flesh out his personality, let the reader read from his perspective and make sure to show them that he gets along well with her dragons, maybe even better than she does to plant a seed of doubts whether she is really the one best suited to lead the invasion, and all of a sudden she's not untouchable anymore. He's done this so great with Tyrion, you don't feel like he's untouchable because the story doesn't stand and fall with his existence. His mortality is partly what makes him so easy to love.
its been down hill ever sense.
