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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:36 am

Army of GOD wrote:what was up with that credit-music? Seemed so weird.

ok, and I'm starting to understand the plot better but, to put it as vague as possible, the main conflict is: Stannis Baratheon vs. Robb Stark vs. Dragon-bitch vs. Joffrey Baratheon?


Eh right now it seems to be Stannis, Robb and the Lannisters in a three way fight to the death with the Lannisters being the main focus of both armies while Daenerys gathers her forces. Meanwhile it's Wildlings vs Crows and both vs White Walkers. I get the feeling Jon is going to try to convince both the Crows and Wildlings to work together at least until the White Walkers are defeated.

They're really building up the White Walkers. I mean the king of the wildlings has a huge army with giants and all kinds of magic users and all he can seem to do is run scared away from them.

I was suprised that daenerys gave up her dragon...though she may get it back some way or another.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:26 am

haha, Tyrion is definitely my favorite character. loved the chair/table scene! Genius! And very funny scene with the squire comming back from the whore house.

Theon and his "helper" wtf... really don't understand what he's up to!

Arya: didn't really understand where she was heading with her new friends. Arya is possibly my second favorite character.

Jamie: OMG, this is real bad news for Brien. Jamie with a hand cut off means she can't do the trade assuming the lanisters would ve accepted. Assuming she manages to escape with him of course. I do feel like these 2 are getting closer in spite of sporting different sides.

No Brann/rickon in this one was looking forward for their next adventures with the reed kids.

Daenerys (by the way, one of my friends just called his daughter like that, not sure of what will be left of games of throne in 20 years) I was assuming the deal was the army for a dragon on last episode, surprised her advisors were surprised.
The slave traders are a bit stupid though... a dragon is not like a slave, you can tear it's nipple off for fun and get away with it. And he's trading 15999 nipples for 1 dragon gosh...
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby spurgistan on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:35 am

Army of GOD wrote:what was up with that credit-music? Seemed so weird.

ok, and I'm starting to understand the plot better but, to put it as vague as possible, the main conflict is: Stannis Baratheon vs. Robb Stark vs. Dragon-bitch vs. Joffrey Baratheon?


It was indie darlings the Hold Steady, singing the Westerosi classic "The Bear and the Maiden Fair."

And the main conflict really is everybody against everybody (and everything)
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:58 am

spurgistan wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:what was up with that credit-music? Seemed so weird.

ok, and I'm starting to understand the plot better but, to put it as vague as possible, the main conflict is: Stannis Baratheon vs. Robb Stark vs. Dragon-bitch vs. Joffrey Baratheon?


It was indie darlings the Hold Steady, singing the Westerosi classic "The Bear and the Maiden Fair."

And the main conflict really is everybody against everybody (and everything)


it's rather each House trying to pull the blanket their way.

-Stark
-Lannister
-Baratheon (used to be Stannis vs Renly but renly was killed season 2)
-Targaryen
-Tyrell
-Tully
-Arryn
-Greyjoy
-Frey

-knight's watch

rogues:
-free folks
-brotherhood without banner
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:00 am

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strike wolf wrote:Well Jaime could still be the best one handed swordsman in the land...


With his off hand?

Can't wait for some of the non-book reader reactions to this one.


I kind of, sort of saw it coming. I mean I wasn't expecting the guy to go for what Jaime was saying and then he pulled out the blade but I was still convincing myself "Certainly they have orders not to harm him beyond what is necessary. They're just trying to scare him."
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:07 am

betiko wrote:Daenerys (by the way, one of my friends just called his daughter like that, not sure of what will be left of games of throne in 20 years) I was assuming the deal was the army for a dragon on last episode, surprised her advisors were surprised.


To be honest, I thought they'd be the ones to suggest it and she'd be the hesitant one.

I suppose I am the only one wondering if that guy "rescuing" Theon was a Stark agent. I mean we really don't know who the group who captured him were (unless I missed something) and The Starks don't know where he is. It makes some sense that Robb would send out some kind of spy to look for him and a fake rescue leading him into Stark hands would be right up that alley (Robb also said that he wanted to kill Theon himself so protecting him would actually make sense and a willing hostage is easier to handle than one who constantly tries to escape or call for help). I suppose the theory is a bit far fetched...it's internally consistent as far as I can tell but there are definitely quite a few big ifs here.

Jon looked worried. I do wonder what's going to actually happen when they reach Castle Black. I don't see him out right going against the Wildlings but I do see him try to convince them that they should try to convince these people to help fight the White Walkers. Of course, the King of the North seems to be more concerned with taking Castle Black so that they can run South than fighting the White Walkers.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:02 am

strike wolf wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Well Jaime could still be the best one handed swordsman in the land...


With his off hand?

Can't wait for some of the non-book reader reactions to this one.


I kind of, sort of saw it coming. I mean I wasn't expecting the guy to go for what Jaime was saying and then he pulled out the blade but I was still convincing myself "Certainly they have orders not to harm him beyond what is necessary. They're just trying to scare him."


you're kind of saying something and its opposite! :lol: if you were thinking that how could you see it comming? :roll:

anyway about Jon: I've always thought that Ned's brother had left the night's watch to join the wildlings and that he wasn't actually dead. I though it would be the guy with the skull mask?
Yeah I don't know what's he gonna do. My bet is that white walkers will be found at some point reaching castle balck and that wildlings and night's watch will have no other choice than to fight togther.. Jon is in a very tough political spot.

regarding the guys that took Theon: I thought they were the same baron that took jamie and brien? but that was just a speculation.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:15 am

Im saying i saw the possibility of him cutting off the hand but didnt think he would actually go through with it. :roll:
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:15 am

betiko wrote:regarding the guys that took Theon: I thought they were the same baron that took jamie and brien? but that was just a speculation.


Nope. They are hundreds (if not thousands) of miles apart.

What I found interesting on this Theon story (we did not get to see this in the books at all) was the "rescuer" saying "winter is coming". That is the last thing that one of his sister's men would say. Not to mention telling him to head east when his sister's troops and the Iron Islands are due west.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:21 am

Bones2484 wrote:
betiko wrote:regarding the guys that took Theon: I thought they were the same baron that took jamie and brien? but that was just a speculation.


Nope. They are hundreds (if not thousands) of miles apart.

What I found interesting on this Theon story (we did not get to see this in the books at all) was the "rescuer" saying "winter is coming". That is the last thing that one of his sister's men would say. Not to mention telling him to head east when his sister's troops and the Iron Islands are due west.

Glad to know im not the only one sniffing double cross. Yeah. Winter is Coming is tje Starks saying. Dont think anyone from the Iron Isles would be saying that.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:45 am

on the other hand... winter is comming indeed! :lol:
I don't know if they are hundreds of miles appart, as I have no idea of where theon is located, I just assume somewhere in the midlands of westeros; and I thought that jamie and brien where somewhere in that area too.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:30 pm

spurgistan wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:what was up with that credit-music? Seemed so weird.

ok, and I'm starting to understand the plot better but, to put it as vague as possible, the main conflict is: Stannis Baratheon vs. Robb Stark vs. Dragon-bitch vs. Joffrey Baratheon?


It was indie darlings the Hold Steady, singing the Westerosi classic "The Bear and the Maiden Fair."

And the main conflict really is everybody against everybody (and everything)


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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:13 pm

strike wolf wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
betiko wrote:regarding the guys that took Theon: I thought they were the same baron that took jamie and brien? but that was just a speculation.


Nope. They are hundreds (if not thousands) of miles apart.

What I found interesting on this Theon story (we did not get to see this in the books at all) was the "rescuer" saying "winter is coming". That is the last thing that one of his sister's men would say. Not to mention telling him to head east when his sister's troops and the Iron Islands are due west.

Glad to know im not the only one sniffing double cross. Yeah. Winter is Coming is tje Starks saying. Dont think anyone from the Iron Isles would be saying that.

Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.

As to where both parties are located. You may fetch a map and go look for two castles. The first is named "The Dreadfort", the second "Harrenhal". here's a map, have fun.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:34 pm

aage wrote:Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.


I've read the books, I know who it is... though I wasn't positive until that last arrow. Just trying to take part in the discussions without needing to add a spoiler tag (or telling them what castle they are at since show watchers do not know yet).

You little bastard. :D
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:39 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
aage wrote:Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.


I've read the books, I know who it is... though I wasn't positive until that last arrow. Just trying to take part in the discussions without needing to add a spoiler tag (or telling them what castle they are at since show watchers do not know yet).

You little bastard. :D
I had the hunch when he rescued him. At first I thought it could be Reek, but then Theon'd have said something about that so it just had to be him.

And show watchers should be able to know. Roose Bolton sent his son out to Winterfell on Robb's orders to take Theon, and so they did. They were the guys with the hornblower. Where else were they going to go but home? Stay in the ruin? They burned the place down. Brienne and Jaime are fleeing from Robb's army (which is anywhere between the Twins and Riverrun) to King's Landing, which is leagues away.

We should make a book thread.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:57 pm

aage wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
aage wrote:Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.


I've read the books, I know who it is... though I wasn't positive until that last arrow. Just trying to take part in the discussions without needing to add a spoiler tag (or telling them what castle they are at since show watchers do not know yet).

You little bastard. :D
I had the hunch when he rescued him. At first I thought it could be Reek, but then Theon'd have said something about that so it just had to be him.

And show watchers should be able to know. Roose Bolton sent his son out to Winterfell on Robb's orders to take Theon, and so they did. They were the guys with the hornblower. Where else were they going to go but home? Stay in the ruin? They burned the place down. Brienne and Jaime are fleeing from Robb's army (which is anywhere between the Twins and Riverrun) to King's Landing, which is leagues away.

We should make a book thread.


We should definitely make a book thread. I have some theories and I can't espouse them here.

In semi-related news, it's fun to mess with people IRL who haven't read the books - like my boss.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:05 pm

aage wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
aage wrote:Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.


I've read the books, I know who it is... though I wasn't positive until that last arrow. Just trying to take part in the discussions without needing to add a spoiler tag (or telling them what castle they are at since show watchers do not know yet).

You little bastard. :D
I had the hunch when he rescued him. At first I thought it could be Reek, but then Theon'd have said something about that so it just had to be him.

And show watchers should be able to know. Roose Bolton sent his son out to Winterfell on Robb's orders to take Theon, and so they did. They were the guys with the hornblower. Where else were they going to go but home? Stay in the ruin? They burned the place down. Brienne and Jaime are fleeing from Robb's army (which is anywhere between the Twins and Riverrun) to King's Landing, which is leagues away.

We should make a book thread.


yup, book thread you spoiler! (you are the only one, all other book readers know how to keep stuff quiet! ;) although I don't care to be told more about the ned/robert/aerys/tywin stuff of the previous generation, I don't want to be spoiled the rest of the show!!! :P )

Other than this, I thought that the guys who caught jamie/brienne were baron bolton's guys as well. Didn't they say they were men of on of stark's baron? and who cares if they are miles away, as far as I know the starks are all over westeros at this moment.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:43 am

betiko wrote:Other than this, I thought that the guys who caught jamie/brienne were baron bolton's guys as well. Didn't they say they were men of on of stark's baron? and who cares if they are miles away, as far as I know the starks are all over westeros at this moment.

I was saying Theon and Jaime/Brienne are miles away from each other. ;) And yes, they are Bolton's men, but Roose Bolton isn't with Robb in Riverrun. He was ordered to stay behind and hold Harrenhal.

Seriously, this is all in the show.

And I try to be thoughtful, most of what isn't in the show yet is between spoiler tags.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:56 am

Spoilier:


Everyone dies at the end.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:00 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Spoilier:


Everyone dies at the end.

Dude, at least put it between spoiler tags.

You ruined my day, thanks a lot.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:21 am

aage wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Spoilier:


Everyone dies at the end.

Dude, at least put it between spoiler tags.

You ruined my day, thanks a lot.


I was like, two books into the Bible when some idiot knocked on my door, totally out of the blue, and told me the ending.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:43 am

lol!

ok guys here's a question: why do we say that westeros has 7 kingdoms?? I count 9 if not 10, one of which has still not been metioned a single time and I think it's quite odd.
Starks, lannisters, baratheons, arryns, targaryens, tyrells, tullys, greyjoys (not counted?), martels (never mentionned yet but they seem to have all the south), and frey (this is probably not a kingdom, just a toll passage land?)
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:47 am

Aegon named his empire after the seven kingdoms that he subdued: the Iron Islands (currently Greyjoy) which was one kingdom with the riverlands (Tully), the Northlands (Stark), the Vale (Arryn), the Westerlands (Lannister), the Reach (Tyrell), the Stormlands (Baratheon) and Dorne (Martell) which was added later: when the Targaryens conquered "the seven kingdoms", they failed to conquer Dorne.
Freys used to be bannermen to Riverrun. Think of them as Boltons, or Karstarks.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:08 am

aage wrote:Aegon named his empire after the seven kingdoms that he subdued: the Iron Islands (currently Greyjoy) which was one kingdom with the riverlands (Tully), the Northlands (Stark), the Vale (Arryn), the Westerlands (Lannister), the Reach (Tyrell), the Stormlands (Baratheon) and Dorne (Martell) which was added later: when the Targaryens conquered "the seven kingdoms", they failed to conquer Dorne.
Freys used to be bannermen to Riverrun. Think of them as Boltons, or Karstarks.


here's what they say on wiki though:

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The Seven Kingdoms, as they stood after unification by Aegon and before Robert's Rebellion From top-left to bottom-right: The North, Iron Islands, Riverlands, Vale, The Westerlands, Crownlands, The Reach, Stormlands, Dorne

I kind of thought that the freys were just tully bannermen but even with your explanation (riverlands+iron islands being 1 single kingdom originally) the crownsland isn't counted?

those martel intrigue me really... after 1/3rd of the third season that they haven't even been mentioned once by any character!
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby spurgistan on Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:15 am

Well, Princess Myrcella's in Dorne. But yeah, that's about all we've heard.
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