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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:57 pm

aage wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
aage wrote:Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.


I've read the books, I know who it is... though I wasn't positive until that last arrow. Just trying to take part in the discussions without needing to add a spoiler tag (or telling them what castle they are at since show watchers do not know yet).

You little bastard. :D
I had the hunch when he rescued him. At first I thought it could be Reek, but then Theon'd have said something about that so it just had to be him.

And show watchers should be able to know. Roose Bolton sent his son out to Winterfell on Robb's orders to take Theon, and so they did. They were the guys with the hornblower. Where else were they going to go but home? Stay in the ruin? They burned the place down. Brienne and Jaime are fleeing from Robb's army (which is anywhere between the Twins and Riverrun) to King's Landing, which is leagues away.

We should make a book thread.


We should definitely make a book thread. I have some theories and I can't espouse them here.

In semi-related news, it's fun to mess with people IRL who haven't read the books - like my boss.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:05 pm

aage wrote:
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aage wrote:Oh, you kids are in for such a treat... I am almost jealous of you.


I've read the books, I know who it is... though I wasn't positive until that last arrow. Just trying to take part in the discussions without needing to add a spoiler tag (or telling them what castle they are at since show watchers do not know yet).

You little bastard. :D
I had the hunch when he rescued him. At first I thought it could be Reek, but then Theon'd have said something about that so it just had to be him.

And show watchers should be able to know. Roose Bolton sent his son out to Winterfell on Robb's orders to take Theon, and so they did. They were the guys with the hornblower. Where else were they going to go but home? Stay in the ruin? They burned the place down. Brienne and Jaime are fleeing from Robb's army (which is anywhere between the Twins and Riverrun) to King's Landing, which is leagues away.

We should make a book thread.


yup, book thread you spoiler! (you are the only one, all other book readers know how to keep stuff quiet! ;) although I don't care to be told more about the ned/robert/aerys/tywin stuff of the previous generation, I don't want to be spoiled the rest of the show!!! :P )

Other than this, I thought that the guys who caught jamie/brienne were baron bolton's guys as well. Didn't they say they were men of on of stark's baron? and who cares if they are miles away, as far as I know the starks are all over westeros at this moment.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:43 am

betiko wrote:Other than this, I thought that the guys who caught jamie/brienne were baron bolton's guys as well. Didn't they say they were men of on of stark's baron? and who cares if they are miles away, as far as I know the starks are all over westeros at this moment.

I was saying Theon and Jaime/Brienne are miles away from each other. ;) And yes, they are Bolton's men, but Roose Bolton isn't with Robb in Riverrun. He was ordered to stay behind and hold Harrenhal.

Seriously, this is all in the show.

And I try to be thoughtful, most of what isn't in the show yet is between spoiler tags.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:56 am

Spoilier:


Everyone dies at the end.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:00 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Spoilier:


Everyone dies at the end.

Dude, at least put it between spoiler tags.

You ruined my day, thanks a lot.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:21 am

aage wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Spoilier:


Everyone dies at the end.

Dude, at least put it between spoiler tags.

You ruined my day, thanks a lot.


I was like, two books into the Bible when some idiot knocked on my door, totally out of the blue, and told me the ending.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:43 am

lol!

ok guys here's a question: why do we say that westeros has 7 kingdoms?? I count 9 if not 10, one of which has still not been metioned a single time and I think it's quite odd.
Starks, lannisters, baratheons, arryns, targaryens, tyrells, tullys, greyjoys (not counted?), martels (never mentionned yet but they seem to have all the south), and frey (this is probably not a kingdom, just a toll passage land?)
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:47 am

Aegon named his empire after the seven kingdoms that he subdued: the Iron Islands (currently Greyjoy) which was one kingdom with the riverlands (Tully), the Northlands (Stark), the Vale (Arryn), the Westerlands (Lannister), the Reach (Tyrell), the Stormlands (Baratheon) and Dorne (Martell) which was added later: when the Targaryens conquered "the seven kingdoms", they failed to conquer Dorne.
Freys used to be bannermen to Riverrun. Think of them as Boltons, or Karstarks.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:08 am

aage wrote:Aegon named his empire after the seven kingdoms that he subdued: the Iron Islands (currently Greyjoy) which was one kingdom with the riverlands (Tully), the Northlands (Stark), the Vale (Arryn), the Westerlands (Lannister), the Reach (Tyrell), the Stormlands (Baratheon) and Dorne (Martell) which was added later: when the Targaryens conquered "the seven kingdoms", they failed to conquer Dorne.
Freys used to be bannermen to Riverrun. Think of them as Boltons, or Karstarks.


here's what they say on wiki though:

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The Seven Kingdoms, as they stood after unification by Aegon and before Robert's Rebellion From top-left to bottom-right: The North, Iron Islands, Riverlands, Vale, The Westerlands, Crownlands, The Reach, Stormlands, Dorne

I kind of thought that the freys were just tully bannermen but even with your explanation (riverlands+iron islands being 1 single kingdom originally) the crownsland isn't counted?

those martel intrigue me really... after 1/3rd of the third season that they haven't even been mentioned once by any character!
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby spurgistan on Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:15 am

Well, Princess Myrcella's in Dorne. But yeah, that's about all we've heard.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:17 am

betiko wrote:lol!

ok guys here's a question: why do we say that westeros has 7 kingdoms?? I count 9 if not 10, one of which has still not been metioned a single time and I think it's quite odd.
Starks, lannisters, baratheons, arryns, targaryens, tyrells, tullys, greyjoys (not counted?), martels (never mentionned yet but they seem to have all the south), and frey (this is probably not a kingdom, just a toll passage land?)


The Targaryens were exiled and the Greyjoys were stripped of rights after their rebellion.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:14 am

spurgistan wrote:Well, Princess Myrcella's in Dorne. But yeah, that's about all we've heard.


hum true forgot that part, remembered that she was promised to the young arryn and forgot that tyrion changed that (to piss off cersei?)
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:32 am

By the way, anybody thinks that westeros kind of look like a map of britain (reverted in the bottom mid-part)? starks would be scotts, greyjoys the isle of Man, martell cornwall, tyrell+lanister+tully+arryn england; baratheon+targaryen welsh...
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:50 am

The author kinda ran out of steam post book 3.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:51 am

Symmetry wrote:The author kinda ran out of steam post book 3.


Inb4 rage (I agree with Symmetry).
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:10 pm

betiko wrote:By the way, anybody thinks that westeros kind of look like a map of britain (reverted in the bottom mid-part)? starks would be scotts, greyjoys the isle of Man, martell cornwall, tyrell+lanister+tully+arryn england; baratheon+targaryen welsh...


The Wall=Hadrian's wall...yeah it's obviously based off of England. The land across the sea I'm not sure is supposed to be Ireland or the mainland Europe. I used to have that more or less figured out but I've forgotten. I want to say it was the mainland...

Of course if the wall is Hadrian's wall than it would be more accurate to say that the Starks are more North England and the Wildlings are the Scotts.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Symmetry on Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:15 pm

strike wolf wrote:
betiko wrote:By the way, anybody thinks that westeros kind of look like a map of britain (reverted in the bottom mid-part)? starks would be scotts, greyjoys the isle of Man, martell cornwall, tyrell+lanister+tully+arryn england; baratheon+targaryen welsh...


The Wall=Hadrian's wall...yeah it's obviously based off of England. The land across the sea I'm not sure is supposed to be Ireland or the mainland Europe. I used to have that more or less figured out but I've forgotten. I want to say it was the mainland...

Of course if the wall is Hadrian's wall than it would be more accurate to say that the Starks are more North England and the Wildlings are the Scotts.


Pretty much, also, almost everyone has a British accent.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby aage on Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:30 pm

betiko wrote:
aage wrote:Aegon named his empire after the seven kingdoms that he subdued: the Iron Islands (currently Greyjoy) which was one kingdom with the riverlands (Tully), the Northlands (Stark), the Vale (Arryn), the Westerlands (Lannister), the Reach (Tyrell), the Stormlands (Baratheon) and Dorne (Martell) which was added later: when the Targaryens conquered "the seven kingdoms", they failed to conquer Dorne.
Freys used to be bannermen to Riverrun. Think of them as Boltons, or Karstarks.


here's what they say on wiki though:

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The Seven Kingdoms, as they stood after unification by Aegon and before Robert's Rebellion From top-left to bottom-right: The North, Iron Islands, Riverlands, Vale, The Westerlands, Crownlands, The Reach, Stormlands, Dorne

I kind of thought that the freys were just tully bannermen but even with your explanation (riverlands+iron islands being 1 single kingdom originally) the crownsland isn't counted?

those martel intrigue me really... after 1/3rd of the third season that they haven't even been mentioned once by any character!

King's Landing didn't exist before the Targaryens landed, and they never conquered their own "kingdom" from one specific king. Hence it's not counted. I suspect they just took those lands from the River, Storm and Reach kingdoms. They unified the seven existing kingdoms into one.

I'm not sure if any Martells have been mentioned. Maybe Elia, but that'd be a long shot. Plus she's dead.


As a note on the Greyjoys, they were actually installed as "wardens" of some kind on the Iron Islands after Harren the Black was killed (the king of the Islands/Riverlands), so it was already called the Seven Kingdoms before the Greyjoys ever crowned themselves.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:55 pm

aage wrote:Aegon named his empire after the seven kingdoms that he subdued: the Iron Islands (currently Greyjoy) which was one kingdom with the riverlands (Tully), the Northlands (Stark), the Vale (Arryn), the Westerlands (Lannister), the Reach (Tyrell), the Stormlands (Baratheon) and Dorne (Martell) which was added later: when the Targaryens conquered "the seven kingdoms", they failed to conquer Dorne.
Freys used to be bannermen to Riverrun. Think of them as Boltons, or Karstarks.


They didn't fail. Dorne just submitted before major conflict broke out because they knew resistance was futile in the face of dragons.

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Bones2484 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:57 pm

And just in case you were wondering, that is why Daenerys Stormborn kicks ass.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:14 pm

Yeah. I was wondering if she might pull a stunt like that. I did not expect it to go over that smoothly. Kick ass.
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Postby Army of GOD on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:34 pm

'twas a ballsy move.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:35 am

woot woot! Daenerys for president! But she's been kicking ass all the show pretty much, a hell of a woman. Who said she wasn't smoking hot too by the way???

sad to hear that the story loses steam after book 3 cause it's the best show ever so far IMO.

I really wonder why Craster could get away with so many things in the eyes of the night's watch leader. Did he bring some sort of ballance with the night walkers giving away so many sons? I'm pretty sure they did an awful mistake by killing him...

who the hell is this guys with Theon and what is he up to seriously... i don't see any logic in what he did other than simple cruelty... or did he just wanted to see who Theon felt closer to deeply in his heart, greyjoys or starks? "winter is comming" was probably a subliminal message to make him say out loud that deep inside he was closer to starks than to greyjoys...

here's a theory. How can Tyrion win influence? Littlefinger is going to leave the city and no one will be there to rule his whorehouse. His squire with his massive cock would be perfect for the job. The whorehouse was littlefinger's number one source of information. My guess is that this can be used in tyrion's advantage in the future (otherwise the squire story makes no sense).

One thing I didn't get: who is the Arryn supposed to marry littlefinger? is it John Arryn's widow (Kathrin's sister) or is it someone else?

Maergery with sansa: makes sense. If her brother marries Sansa she'll get the key to the north. She needs Robb dead too. Did Lord Varyn see that comming for the Tyrells as well? Tis guy is really smart, and by talking to grandma Tyrell he might be suggesting that he knows what they are doing talking to sansa like that... And he's trying to stop Littlefinger in order to gain Tyrell favours (he probably sees how much influence the Tyrells are about to get in king's landing).
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:59 am

betiko wrote:woot woot! Daenerys for president! But she's been kicking ass all the show pretty much, a hell of a woman. Who said she wasn't smoking hot too by the way???


She is hot, isn't she?

betiko wrote:sad to hear that the story loses steam after book 3 cause it's the best show ever so far IMO.


What? Why would you say that? You haven't read the books yourself, have you? You should probably do so and make up your own mind.

betiko wrote:I really wonder why Craster could get away with so many things in the eyes of the night's watch leader. Did he bring some sort of ballance with the night walkers giving away so many sons? I'm pretty sure they did an awful mistake by killing him...


Oh, the nightwatch that mutinied will get there's soon enough....and it won't be pretty lemme tell ya!

betiko wrote:who the hell is this guys with Theon and what is he up to seriously... i don't see any logic in what he did other than simple cruelty... or did he just wanted to see who Theon felt closer to deeply in his heart, greyjoys or starks? "winter is comming" was probably a subliminal message to make him say out loud that deep inside he was closer to starks than to greyjoys...


I'm pretty sure that guy is really Ramsay Snow/Bolton. The sadistic and insane bastard son of Roose Bolton. He likes to play games and Theon is his favorite toy. We'll see soon enough I'd imagine. Remember when he killed the men chasing Theon? He was standing in front of the last guy alive about to put an arrow in his head and the dying guy said- "You Little Bastard" just before he took an arrow to the forehead. Ramsay is a bastard known as "The Bastard of Dreadfort".

betiko wrote:here's a theory. How can Tyrion win influence? Littlefinger is going to leave the city and no one will be there to rule his whorehouse. His squire with his massive cock would be perfect for the job. The whorehouse was littlefinger's number one source of information. My guess is that this can be used in tyrion's advantage in the future (otherwise the squire story makes no sense).


Oh, Tyrion will have problems big time soon enough. Littlefinger doesn't care about the whorehouses, they are merely a stepping stone to what he really wants. I'll let you learn for yourself what that is as the show progresses. Indeed, Varys was right, Littlefinger is a very dangerous man.


betiko wrote:One thing I didn't get: who is the Arryn supposed to marry littlefinger? is it John Arryn's widow (Kathrin's sister) or is it someone else?


Kathrin's sister, the crazy bitch who was still letting her 10 year old son suck her tits and tried to have the imp thrown out the moondoor. There is quite a bit of back story between her and Littlefinger and in fact it was her and Littlefinger who truly started all this off in the first place. Your questions will be answered soon enough I think.

betiko wrote:Maergery with sansa: makes sense. If her brother marries Sansa she'll get the key to the north. She needs Robb dead too. Did Lord Varyn see that comming for the Tyrells as well? Tis guy is really smart, and by talking to grandma Tyrell he might be suggesting that he knows what they are doing talking to sansa like that... And he's trying to stop Littlefinger in order to gain Tyrell favours (he probably sees how much influence the Tyrells are about to get in king's landing).


Alas, The Tyrell's plans for Sansa fall quite short in the end. The Tyrell's have no evil plans for Sansa that I am aware of, certainly not to the degree of Cerci's plans. Lets just say that Sansa is not destined to marry Loras. Wait till you find out who she ends up marrying! Hahahahahahah!
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby spurgistan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:40 am

Dude, label them book spoilers homie.
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