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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby / on Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:37 am

I'm sorry that you feel depressed macbone. If it make you feel better, the fact that you have a visceral reaction to the situation is a sign that humans are meant to be kind. Your body makes you feel bad as an indication that the acts you have learned of are indeed intolerable, as an innate response.

That's the wonderful thing about humans, as a social creature we are as a whole, we are largely driven towards a natural altruism just as truly as our ancestors were driven by their baser instincts.

I recall that you posted a Cracked article a while ago; did you happen to read this one yet?
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-true-stor ... -humanity/
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:08 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:Empathy in some, and built up "defenses" in others. For example, if you heard that 300 people died in Syria simply because they were caught in the crossfire between government and rebel forces, would you feel empathy to them or go "that's a shame" and continue whatever it was you were doing and not give it a second thought?


Which bring up a good point and supports.
john9blue wrote:people are selfish, and people form groups to ensure their own self-interests.


Our lives are revolving around social media that makes us the center of the universe while dehumanizing everyone even somewhat close to ourselves.

We used to see images of the Vietnam conflict and feel empathy. Now there's no time.
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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:18 am

The fact that we even acknowledge that humans half-way around the globe are actually people like us and worth empathy is a huge step forward from the times when we all thought it was cool to butcher and make trophies from the genitalia of the tribe next door.

Seriously, not so long ago seeing people tortured to death for petty offenses was entertainment. And now we feel sick at the thought that someone was raped. You have to try really hard to rationalize that as not being progress.
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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby notyou2 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:10 am

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Postby 2dimes on Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:20 pm

There is probably always progress in some portion of the population. I just felt there would be a little more in everyone.
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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:31 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:The fact that we even acknowledge that humans half-way around the globe are actually people like us and worth empathy is a huge step forward from the times when we all thought it was cool to butcher and make trophies from the genitalia of the tribe next door.

Seriously, not so long ago seeing people tortured to death for petty offenses was entertainment. And now we feel sick at the thought that someone was raped. You have to try really hard to rationalize that as not being progress.


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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby patches70 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:57 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:The fact that we even acknowledge that humans half-way around the globe are actually people like us and worth empathy is a huge step forward from the times when we all thought it was cool to butcher and make trophies from the genitalia of the tribe next door.

Seriously, not so long ago seeing people tortured to death for petty offenses was entertainment. And now we feel sick at the thought that someone was raped. You have to try really hard to rationalize that as not being progress.


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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:34 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:The fact that we even acknowledge that humans half-way around the globe are actually people like us and worth empathy is a huge step forward from the times when we all thought it was cool to butcher and make trophies from the genitalia of the tribe next door.

Seriously, not so long ago seeing people tortured to death for petty offenses was entertainment. And now we feel sick at the thought that someone was raped. You have to try really hard to rationalize that as not being progress.


Sure, it's progress......against violence. But let me ask you somethin, possibly just for entertainment purposes.

Let's say one people thinks it's cool to butcher genitalia of their neighbors, and a neighboring people get physically sick at the thought of a rape, and the first people attack the second people. Given all things being equal (the both only have bows and arrows/both only have 50 warriors on each side etc) which people, would you speculate, are most likely to win the battle?
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Postby 2dimes on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:20 am

Seems possible you are over simplifying a couple of things here.

I think you're trying to suggest butchering genitalia proves a predisposition towards violence which will be useful during conflict. Possible but not certain.

Are you also suggesting that since rape culture has been found in many military groups that if you find rape repulsive you could not be a effective "warrior"?
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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:59 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:The fact that we even acknowledge that humans half-way around the globe are actually people like us and worth empathy is a huge step forward from the times when we all thought it was cool to butcher and make trophies from the genitalia of the tribe next door.

Seriously, not so long ago seeing people tortured to death for petty offenses was entertainment. And now we feel sick at the thought that someone was raped. You have to try really hard to rationalize that as not being progress.


Sure, it's progress......against violence. But let me ask you somethin, possibly just for entertainment purposes.

Let's say one people thinks it's cool to butcher genitalia of their neighbors, and a neighboring people get physically sick at the thought of a rape, and the first people attack the second people. Given all things being equal (the both only have bows and arrows/both only have 50 warriors on each side etc) which people, would you speculate, are most likely to win the battle?


If the two tribes are the only ones who can possibly get involved in the conflict, then the psychopaths clearly have the advantage.

In reality however, there's always neutral third parties around. And if one of the combatants is doing something that's so far outside the moral norm of the day, the neutral third parties aren't likely to remain neutral for very long.

This is why "cultural evolution" is very important. Once the norms of most of the world population have shifted, suddenly those lagging behind have to adapt or suffer repercussions for their outdated brutality.
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Postby 2dimes on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:30 am

What if there is one tribe Population: 1,344,130,000 most don't value human life, outdated brutality is somewhat accepted, near them is a tribe Population: 141,930,000 they have a violent crime problem, a third tribe Population: 528,720,588 part of which owes the first tribe a lot of money, they used to have a huge military but now much of the overall tribe population think fire arms are bad and should be reduced or outright banned?
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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:36 am

The problem is basically twofold.

First, the human soul does not exist a priori as postulated by traditional religion, but must be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation.

Second, people aren't wearing enough hats.
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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:37 am

Dukasaur wrote:The problem is basically twofold.

First, the human soul does not exist a priori as postulated by traditional religion, but must be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation.

Interesting point. Hadn't thought of it like that before.

Dukasaur wrote:Second, people aren't wearing enough hats.


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Re: What's wrong with the world?

Postby macbone on Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:01 am

That's a cool story, /. Yeah, Cracked has some nice articles about very cool people who make this world a better place.

Here are pictures of the beautiful people killed in Boston:

Lu Lingzi:

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Krystle Campbell:

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Martin Richard:

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Finally, something that makes me feel better about our future:

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Postby 2dimes on Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:08 am

The kid's sign is particularly poignant. If they imprison someone those pictures should be placed in the facility.

I must mention I would be equally disgusted if ugly people were harmed.
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