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Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:41 pm



"If marriage is a "fundamental right" how can any state restriction exist?" - Sotomayore
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:51 pm

If the OP is to be understood, then this is a music thread

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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:55 pm

The OP mostly deals with the social aspects of redefining marriage, but if anyone wants to get into the fiscal, ecclesiastical, discriminatory, historical, state, or other derivative aspects and unintentional consequences, we can have those discussions too.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:04 pm

Phatscotty wrote:The OP mostly deals with the social aspects of redefining marriage, but if anyone wants to get into the fiscal, ecclesiastical, discriminatory, historical, state, or other derivative aspects and unintentional consequences, we can have those discussions too.


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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby new guy1 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:09 pm

I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry. If the argument is its against whats said in the bible, then so is divorce and the wife should be stoned to death. Divorce is still legal. If it is an evolution argument (whole point of humans is to reproduce and you cant do it being gay) then think of it as a genetic mutation. It will not get passed on in the gene pool, and there are mutations everywhere. Deal with it, we dont need everyone having a kid in this world. Its the same as a straight couple coming to the conclusion to not have kids. One, however, is legal. If the reason they have against it is because "Its just not right" then screw off, they arent harming you. Sorry you got rejected by your high school crush because she didnt want to date you, but she wanted to date the chick that was hitting on her.

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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:12 pm

new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby crispybits on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:13 pm

Scotty - let me ask you one question - should men and women be treated legally differently? Should someone's gender (whatever their sexuality) be a grounds for different legal treatment by the government? Should a man be granted a right because he is a man, that a woman is denied because she is a woman (or vice versa)?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:15 pm

crispybits wrote:Scotty - let me ask you one question - should men and women be treated legally differently? Should someone's gender (whatever their sexuality) be a grounds for different legal treatment by the government? Should a man be granted a right because he is a man, that a woman is denied because she is a woman (or vice versa)?


all people should be treated the same as much as we can. Of course I realize that women seem to have more rights when it comes to custody of a child. However "rights" have nothing to do with whether or not the person excersizing them is a male or a female. A person has rights.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby new guy1 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:15 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?


I should have specified. In our species.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:17 pm

This thread is now about wet hills.

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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:19 pm

new guy1 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?


I should have specified. In our species.


Is there an age limit?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:20 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?


I should have specified. In our species.


Is there an age limit?


Two. Consenting. Adults.

There. That should cover all your bases.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:22 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?


I should have specified. In our species.


Is there an age limit?


Two. Consenting. Adults.


#1) What is the reason to restrict it to 2 people? Why is it 2?

#2) Is consent always universal? for example, amongst the mentally ill, severely abused, or brainwashed their entire life?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby notyou2 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:23 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?


I should have specified. In our species.


Is there an age limit?


Two. Consenting first cousins.

There. That should cover all your bases.


Fixed it for you.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby notyou2 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:23 pm

Pscotty, why do you care?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:25 pm

notyou2 wrote:Pscotty, why do you care?


For the same reason he disagrees with hamsters now being able to vote once we started letting those women vote.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:26 pm

notyou2 wrote:Pscotty, why do you care?


What does whether I care or not have anything to do with anything?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby new guy1 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:28 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
new guy1 wrote:I feel as though everyone should have the right to marry.


All people? no restrictions?


I should have specified. In our species.


Is there an age limit?


Two. Consenting. Adults.

There. That should cover all your bases.


Thank you. If they are old enough to pay their bills, work 40 hour weeks, have an education past high school (in other words, they did not drop out of school just to go live with their husbands) and they can legally be married in whatever state they are in, I see no reason with even dropping below 18 to 17 or 16 (at minimum), so long as they can be productive citizens of society and it is consensual. Also, if you take anything out of context here and try to argue it, I will not. If you have different views on this, go ahead and express it, but just know that I probably wont budge on it and I probably will not bother to continue the debate further, as I am too tired to do so.

fastposted x3--- @ pscotty, I have no problem with relationships past monogamous ones. If all three (or more) want to get married to each other, IDGAF. Also, it depends on the severity of mental handicaps.

Personally, I would not marry my first cousin, and considering the genetic defects of any offspring that they have can be severely altered by it, I would not recommend it, but again, its not my problem...

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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:28 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Pscotty, why do you care?


For the same reason he disagrees with hamsters now being able to vote once we started letting those women vote.


aren't you the one that posted this? Cuz it's all you so far

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Unless you are just that up front about what you're doing?
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Postby notyou2 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:29 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Pscotty, why do you care?


For the same reason he disagrees with hamsters now being able to vote once we started letting those women vote.


I think he has an ulterior motive. He wants to marry his pet sheep Dolly and is trying to break down the barriers.

I can hear them now:

Phatscotty says: "Was it good for you Dolly?"

Dolly the sheep says: "Not baaaaaaaad."
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

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crispybits wrote:Scotty - let me ask you one question - should men and women be treated legally differently? Should someone's gender (whatever their sexuality) be a grounds for different legal treatment by the government? Should a man be granted a right because he is a man, that a woman is denied because she is a woman (or vice versa)?


all people should be treated the same as much as we can. Of course I realize that women seem to have more rights when it comes to custody of a child. However "rights" have nothing to do with whether or not the person excersizing them is a male or a female. A person has rights.


OK in that case I have person X and person Y. Without asking any questions about legally protected characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) can you please tell me if those two people should be allowed to form a legal marriage contract?
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:31 pm

would you guys please stop falling over yourselves trying to correct other peoples posts, and put words in their mouths? its kinda distubring actually.

Wherever we are with that one guy.....What is the response to "no restrictions" and what about an "age limit" Sorry I lost track when Neo and Bones budged in
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:31 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
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notyou2 wrote:Pscotty, why do you care?


For the same reason he disagrees with hamsters now being able to vote once we started letting those women vote.


aren't you the one that posted this? Cuz it's all you so far

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Unless you are just that up front about what you're doing?


Says the guy who posted the youtube video that flat out says "If a fundamental right, the states wouldn't be able to regulate who, how many, or what were to be married."

Nice try turning that around. But I won't play your usual game.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:32 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Pscotty, why do you care?


What does whether I care or not have anything to do with anything?


You really are a nasty piece of work.
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Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:32 pm

crispybits wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
crispybits wrote:Scotty - let me ask you one question - should men and women be treated legally differently? Should someone's gender (whatever their sexuality) be a grounds for different legal treatment by the government? Should a man be granted a right because he is a man, that a woman is denied because she is a woman (or vice versa)?


all people should be treated the same as much as we can. Of course I realize that women seem to have more rights when it comes to custody of a child. However "rights" have nothing to do with whether or not the person excersizing them is a male or a female. A person has rights.


OK in that case I have person X and person Y. Without asking any questions about legally protected characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) can you please tell me if those two people should be allowed to form a legal marriage contract?


of course more information is needed, but I do understand why all the vagueness
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Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (13)

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