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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:01 pm

ooge wrote: any American who gets his information from only a few sources is asking to be lead astray.

CC would, of course be the one exception... :lol: ;)
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby ooge on Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:20 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:The real irony here is that we have essentially passed the point when an armed malitia, with guns, could really mount any kind of serious defense. Even terrorists tend to use other means.

The real protection we need today is protection of information, and the integrity to know that the information we see is real and verified. But.. sadly, too many people wanting to espouse freedom also want to proclaim that most facts are just not facts... because they would rather further their agendas than actually seek truth. Freedom is not freedom unless it is for ALL, and unless there is a real ability to verify facts and distinguish them from mere ideas, hopes or agendas.


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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby tzor on Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:04 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:The real irony here is that we have essentially passed the point when an armed militia, with guns, could really mount any kind of serious defense.


Actually we passed that point in ... er ... 1812. Never the less, it can make things annoying. Neither Germany nor Japan planned a land invasion of the United States. Yes they could have but the cost would not have been worth it. The mindset back in 1776 was a lot like the mindset of modern gorilla warfare; especially when traditional armies were used to open field warfare. Actually it wasn't all that effective then either.

Never the less, it does complicate warfare, as traditional armies work on the notion of lines where the general population exists in an area. You can't really push back a general population as you can an army. You have to protect the entire area in order to ensure supply lines where with an army vs army scenario you just have to maintain a solid front line. We see this effect in places like Afghanistan.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:59 am

So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:08 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?


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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby ooge on Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:20 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?


Irrelevant? if we had well regulated and accurate information there would not be a discussion.You would only reach one logical solution.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:44 am

ooge wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?


Irrelevant? if we had well regulated and accurate information there would not be a discussion.You would only reach one logical solution.


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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby ooge on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:34 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
ooge wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?


Irrelevant? if we had well regulated and accurate information there would not be a discussion.You would only reach one logical solution.


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I do not understand the question.
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:52 am

It was the "logical solution" the question mark was used because we are wondering if you knew it was.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby fadedpsychosis on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:25 am

Phatscotty wrote:well regulated means armed to the teet, and ready to match whatever attack may be coming.

If they are attacking us with tanks, then yes, we have the right to own tanks. It means we stay on top of it, and constantly upgrade as the technology advances, in anyway that can make defense stronger.

REGULATORS!!!!!!!! MOUNT UP!

doesn't mean we have to sell you tanks however...

ooge wrote:want to own a gun? join the national guard.

or better yet, active duty

PLAYER57832 wrote:The real irony here is that we have essentially passed the point when an armed malitia, with guns, could really mount any kind of serious defense. Even terrorists tend to use other means.

The real protection we need today is protection of information, and the integrity to know that the information we see is real and verified. But.. sadly, too many people wanting to espouse freedom also want to proclaim that most facts are just not facts... because they would rather further their agendas than actually seek truth. Freedom is not freedom unless it is for ALL, and unless there is a real ability to verify facts and distinguish them from mere ideas, hopes or agendas.

well said indeed

tzor wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The real irony here is that we have essentially passed the point when an armed militia, with guns, could really mount any kind of serious defense.


Actually we passed that point in ... er ... 1812. Never the less, it can make things annoying. Neither Germany nor Japan planned a land invasion of the United States. Yes they could have but the cost would not have been worth it. The mindset back in 1776 was a lot like the mindset of modern gorilla warfare; especially when traditional armies were used to open field warfare. Actually it wasn't all that effective then either.

Never the less, it does complicate warfare, as traditional armies work on the notion of lines where the general population exists in an area. You can't really push back a general population as you can an army. You have to protect the entire area in order to ensure supply lines where with an army vs army scenario you just have to maintain a solid front line. We see this effect in places like Afghanistan.

there hasn't really been an "army vs army" scenario in truth since WW2... everything since then has had some form of guerilla warfare on one or both sides... besides, what most people in the US want is not to have a militia, it's to have a majority of people become "insurgents" should we ever be invaded

BigBallinStalin wrote:So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?

we already have that... it's called the national guard...
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:55 pm

fadedpsychosis wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?

we already have that... it's called the national guard...


Those are state-mandated--not exactly what I'm talking about.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby notyou2 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:19 pm

Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:08 pm

notyou2 wrote:Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?


Well-regulated militias that aren't under the discretion of the State nor Federal governments.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby muy_thaiguy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:11 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?


Well-regulated militias that aren't under the discretion of the State nor Federal governments.

City Police Departments?
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Re: Well-regulated militias

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muy_thaiguy wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Whatchoo talkin' bout Willis?


Well-regulated militias that aren't under the discretion of the State nor Federal governments.

City Police Departments?


Throw in "municipal government," and we might be getting closer.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:16 pm

Forget about trying to imagine what a militia might look like under today's circumstances. At the time when militias would need to be called upon, you will have long been going to bed hungry and a fight would already be well underway.


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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:29 am

Phatscotty, you're becoming a good example of a negative externality.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:38 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Phatscotty, you're becoming a good example of a negative externality.


damnit...

I just thought that clip was a good example of how a militia would actually operate and what the conditions would be in order for them to be actually called upon
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby tzor on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:24 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:So moving past the irrelevant ooge and PLAYER comments,

what would the federal government's reaction be if a group of people took seriously the 2nd Amendment by forming their own well-regulated militia?


Good question. Say what ever happened to those guys who banded together to protect the southern border?

Doing pretty good as of last year.

Arizona Militias Gain Momentum After Citizen Border Group Bill is Defeated

Not sure about 2013.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby ooge on Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:45 pm

As long as the government does not view a few guys playing army with themselves, "a militia" as a threat, they will ignore it.Once they view it as a threat the government will squash it like a bug.It seems to me that millitia people when faced with a real situation will pee their pants and cry for their mommy's
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby tzor on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:50 pm

It should be pointed out, if you really want to go with what the second amendment is supposed to be about, that "militias" are state entities. Not that the Federal Government cares a wit anymore what the states do or think these days, but militias were supposed to be the jurisdiction of the states at the time the Constitution was written. So if the state is cool with a "private" militia then that should be enough; if not, then they are illegal.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby ooge on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:05 pm

tzor wrote:It should be pointed out, if you really want to go with what the second amendment is supposed to be about, that "militias" are state entities. Not that the Federal Government cares a wit anymore what the states do or think these days, but militias were supposed to be the jurisdiction of the states at the time the Constitution was written. So if the state is cool with a "private" militia then that should be enough; if not, then they are illegal.


that is how The guard ended up in Iraq.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:26 am

ooge wrote:As long as the government does not view a few guys playing army with themselves, "a militia" as a threat, they will ignore it.Once they view it as a threat the government will squash it like a bug.It seems to me that millitia people when faced with a really situation will pee their pants and cry for their mommy's


I'm actually not sure how the relevant bureaucrats view private militias within US borders, but there seems to have been a bad history for any militia which arms itself.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:27 am

tzor wrote:It should be pointed out, if you really want to go with what the second amendment is supposed to be about, that "militias" are state entities. Not that the Federal Government cares a wit anymore what the states do or think these days, but militias were supposed to be the jurisdiction of the states at the time the Constitution was written. So if the state is cool with a "private" militia then that should be enough; if not, then they are illegal.


Interesting, but I'll settle on the scholars' interpretation instead.
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Re: Well-regulated militias

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BigBallinStalin wrote:
ooge wrote:As long as the government does not view a few guys playing army with themselves, "a militia" as a threat, they will ignore it.Once they view it as a threat the government will squash it like a bug.It seems to me that millitia people when faced with a real situation will pee their pants and cry for their mommy's


I'm actually not sure how the relevant bureaucrats view private militias within US borders, but there seems to have been a bad history for any militia which arms itself.


You could have just said you agreed with me :lol:
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Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (10) Clan Achievement (1) Challenge Achievement (5)

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