Conquer Club

Phatscotty wrote:

jimboston wrote:Nope

I don't know what "we" (i.e. Boston) did that was so "strong" here.

Don't get me wrong... after the bombing a lot of people stepped up and helped others, and that's great. And I am very glad we got the guys, and hope the arrest leads to more info to nab anyone that helped them.

... but what did your average "Bostonian" or "Masshole" do that was so "strong"?

are you alluding to the over-celebration, and the USA USA chants with #1 fingers in the air?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?


It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.

Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.

I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.

Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).
Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).

In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.

Dukasaur wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?


It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.

Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.

I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.

Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).
Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).

In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.

Always has been. One of the reasons why the U.S. is such a popular terrorist target, along with other over-reacting countries like Germany, is that terrorists can get such a big bang for their buck there. In contrast, part of the reason that Chechen terrorists in Russia and the Basques in France have gotten so little traction is that those countries have much more proportionate responses to attacks.

thegreekdog wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

I'll hang out with her while Phatscotty goes out and gets himself shot.

jimboston wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Ray Rider wrote:If lived in Boston, I think I would hit the streets and have a blast driving the empty roads. Seriously, how often do you see this?


It would be different if these guys were shooters sniping innocents along the streets or if the police were warning of additional bombs planted in various locations around the city. But shutting down life for 4+ million people just because there's a suspect or two on the run seems to be giving the criminals exactly the attention they crave.

Secondly, what kind of idiot criminals would remain in the city where they planted the bombs? You'd think any criminal in their shoes and possessing half a brain would've fled the state, if not the country, by now.

I know, right? I wonder what was the economic cost of declaring (essentially) martial law... because that should be factored into the costs of that terrorist act.

Spend a few hundred, build a couple bombs (small expense).

Kill 3 people and injure about 150, have a major US city shut down for 4 days or so (large cost).

In strictly monetary terms, terrorism is more cost-effective than conventional warfare/US counterinsurgency ops.

Um... only Watertown and parts of Boston and Cambridge were "shut down"... and it was only for a day... and it was during a school-vacation week, so it was really a slow week here anyway.

AndyDufresne wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:I'll hang out with her while Phatscotty goes out and gets himself shot.

Now here is logic.


--Andy

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday, Jeff Bauman’s image was seared into the American consciousness. An extremely graphic photo of Bauman being escorted in a wheelchair with most of his legs blown off quickly went viral. Bauman’s stock rose even further after reports surfaced that he had looked into the eyes of one of the bombing suspects minutes before the explosion, and that the moment he awoke from emergency care, he gave law enforcement critical information that substantially narrowed their field of suspects. But while police continue to scour the streets for at-large suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 27-year-old Bauman is scouring the internet for donations to help pay for his outsized medical bills.

Bauman’s friends created the page “Bucks For Bauman!” on the gofundme.com crowdfunding service. The money raised through donations to the site are meant to help Jeff and his family pay the exorbitant costs of his surgeries, ongoing medical care, and physical therapy. Since Tuesday, when the site was launched, Americans from across the country have poured in $158,294 in donations — over half of the overall $300,000 goal.

Bauman has been fortunate enough to receive an impressive number of donations to help him pay his bills, and his uncle plans to buy him his first pair of prosthetic legs. But many other victims in the Boston bombings may not be as fortunate. The cost of treating the bombing survivors’ injuries is expected to exceed $9 million. The out-of-pocket costs associated with that treatment could bury many of the victims financially, even if they do have insurance — unless hospitals, insurers, and charitable foundations swoop in to help, as they did after the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado.

BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, an example of free markets. Thanks, JB.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Boston Bombing Hero Who Identified Suspect Resorts To Online Fundraising To Pay His Medical Bills (UPDATED)

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday, Jeff Bauman’s image was seared into the American consciousness. An extremely graphic photo of Bauman being escorted in a wheelchair with most of his legs blown off quickly went viral. Bauman’s stock rose even further after reports surfaced that he had looked into the eyes of one of the bombing suspects minutes before the explosion, and that the moment he awoke from emergency care, he gave law enforcement critical information that substantially narrowed their field of suspects. But while police continue to scour the streets for at-large suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 27-year-old Bauman is scouring the internet for donations to help pay for his outsized medical bills.

Bauman’s friends created the page “Bucks For Bauman!” on the gofundme.com crowdfunding service. The money raised through donations to the site are meant to help Jeff and his family pay the exorbitant costs of his surgeries, ongoing medical care, and physical therapy. Since Tuesday, when the site was launched, Americans from across the country have poured in $158,294 in donations — over half of the overall $300,000 goal.

Bauman has been fortunate enough to receive an impressive number of donations to help him pay his bills, and his uncle plans to buy him his first pair of prosthetic legs. But many other victims in the Boston bombings may not be as fortunate. The cost of treating the bombing survivors’ injuries is expected to exceed $9 million. The out-of-pocket costs associated with that treatment could bury many of the victims financially, even if they do have insurance — unless hospitals, insurers, and charitable foundations swoop in to help, as they did after the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado.

saxitoxin wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:Boston Bombing Hero Who Identified Suspect Resorts To Online Fundraising To Pay His Medical Bills (UPDATED)

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday, Jeff Bauman’s image was seared into the American consciousness. An extremely graphic photo of Bauman being escorted in a wheelchair with most of his legs blown off quickly went viral. Bauman’s stock rose even further after reports surfaced that he had looked into the eyes of one of the bombing suspects minutes before the explosion, and that the moment he awoke from emergency care, he gave law enforcement critical information that substantially narrowed their field of suspects. But while police continue to scour the streets for at-large suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 27-year-old Bauman is scouring the internet for donations to help pay for his outsized medical bills.

Bauman’s friends created the page “Bucks For Bauman!” on the gofundme.com crowdfunding service. The money raised through donations to the site are meant to help Jeff and his family pay the exorbitant costs of his surgeries, ongoing medical care, and physical therapy. Since Tuesday, when the site was launched, Americans from across the country have poured in $158,294 in donations — over half of the overall $300,000 goal.

Bauman has been fortunate enough to receive an impressive number of donations to help him pay his bills, and his uncle plans to buy him his first pair of prosthetic legs. But many other victims in the Boston bombings may not be as fortunate. The cost of treating the bombing survivors’ injuries is expected to exceed $9 million. The out-of-pocket costs associated with that treatment could bury many of the victims financially, even if they do have insurance — unless hospitals, insurers, and charitable foundations swoop in to help, as they did after the mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado.

Obviously Bauman is lying or this is a scam. Obamacare is now in place and, even if it wasn't, Massachusetts has had Romneycare - on which Obamacare is modeled - for awhile.

In keeping with my previous pledge not to criticize Obama until May if Hagel was approved, I hereby denounce Bauman as a sniveling Tea Partier or Naderite who is simply trying to embarass Obama.

saxitoxin wrote:I don't know how terrorism is defined in the U.S. Code, but if the suspect committed all the crimes in Massachusetts, built the bombs in Massachusetts, sourced the parts in Massachusetts, didn't attack a federal facility, didn't consult with others outside Massachusetts and was already living in Massachusetts for other reasons, how exactly could they try this in federal court instead of in the Commonwealth?

saxitoxin wrote:I don't know how terrorism is defined in the U.S. Code, but if the suspect committed all the crimes in Massachusetts, built the bombs in Massachusetts, sourced the parts in Massachusetts, didn't attack a federal facility, didn't consult with others outside Massachusetts and was already living in Massachusetts for other reasons, how exactly could they try this in federal court instead of in the Commonwealth?

A person who, without lawful authority, uses, threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass destruction—

(1) against a national of the United States while such national is outside of the United States;

(2) against any person or property within the United States, and

(A) the mail or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce is used in furtherance of the offense;
(B) such property is used in interstate or foreign commerce or in an activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce;
(C) any perpetrator travels in or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce in furtherance of the offense; or
(D) the offense, or the results of the offense, affect interstate or foreign commerce, or, in the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected interstate or foreign commerce;

(3) against any property that is owned, leased or used by the United States or by any department or agency of the United States, whether the property is within or outside of the United States; or

(4) against any property within the United States that is owned, leased, or used by a foreign government,

shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, and if death results, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, an example of free markets. Thanks, JB.

of course, it's something that needs to be "resorted to" per the title...

saxitoxin wrote:I don't know how terrorism is defined in the U.S. Code, but if the suspect committed all the crimes in Massachusetts, built the bombs in Massachusetts, sourced the parts in Massachusetts, didn't attack a federal facility, didn't consult with others outside Massachusetts and was already living in Massachusetts for other reasons, how exactly could they try this in federal court instead of in the Commonwealth?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, an example of free markets. Thanks, JB.

of course, it's something that needs to be "resorted to" per the title...

I'm not seeing the relevance here.

Night Strike wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, an example of free markets. Thanks, JB.

of course, it's something that needs to be "resorted to" per the title...

I'm not seeing the relevance here.

"Resorted to" implies the government should have been providing the care or the hospital/insurance should have paid for it all.