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Do we support the Marketplace Fairness Act?

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Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue May 07, 2013 1:05 am

Senate approves Internet sales tax proposal

The so-called Marketplace Fairness Act would allow the 45 states (and the District of Columbia) that currently charge sales taxes to require large online retailers to collect tax on purchases made by their residents. The law would only apply to online sellers that have sales of at least $1 million in states where they don't have physical operations, like a store or a warehouse.

The Senate voted 69 to 27 to approve the bill, which enjoyed bipartisan support. But before it can become law, it must be approved by the House, where Republicans are split on the issue.


It's only gonna hit the bigger retailers.... but then why do they all support it? 1 million dollars certainly isn't much as far as sales go. Not when you start thinking about overhead. If the bill targeted businesses that have a profit of over a million dollars that would be different. . .
But it doesn't.

/VOTE DISAPPROVE

I'm standing with the Repubs.
I cannot find a list of those Repubs. =/
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Phatscotty on Tue May 07, 2013 1:18 am

You are right big business can afford it, and it's not that much to them. It's not that much at all compared to how much market share they will gain from all the small businesses, who can't afford it. Big Business win, Big Government win, small business lose, free market entrepreneurialism lose, and in the end Big Business will get a loophole or a waiver out of the tax anyways.

Big Business wants it because it will push out small business.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue May 07, 2013 1:28 am

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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue May 07, 2013 1:33 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:It's only gonna hit the bigger retailers.... but then why do they all support it?



Amazon does because they already are taxed--due to their warehouses which hold all the books. The brick-and-mortar stores love this tax because it'll restrict their competition (and because they already are subject to various taxes, so no sweat off their shoulders).


IIRC, ebay rejects the tax because it's not already paying taxes, because it doesn't have warehouses nationwide.

The $1 million exemption is chump change; it's political aesthetics--pleasing to many voters. The tax will hurt small businesses--even if you think $1 million is 'a lot' (it really isn't compared to one's competitors--e.g. Amazon). It's another hurdle for that American Dream--the existence of which we sometimes ponder, but in small glimpses, realize why it may be diminishing.


This tax is another great example of crony capitalism. If I bothered, we could go to opensecrets.org, and check out the donation histories. If we wanted to conduct deeper research, we could scan the news articles and boring C-SPAN meetings to look for instances of discussions between key Congressmembers and key business interests.

Of course, this tax will be covered in the rhetoric of "herpaderp balance budget," "herp derp derp general interest," "ahh-nerdaderp derp providing for others," "hurgle gurgle others should pay their fair share," and all that rubbish.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 07, 2013 3:26 am

My opinion on sales taxes is the same as my opinion on condoms. I don't personally support them, however, if you're going to use them they should be airtight.

I support the IST.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue May 07, 2013 5:20 am

This is lame. How are they going to tax darknet and masked IP sales? This will never be fair, because only certain companies will comply and only certain people will have to pay the taxes.

Therefore, I support it.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue May 07, 2013 8:07 am

Hey guys - note the word "collect" right before the word "tax." The internet companies won't be paying sales tax. The consumer will be paying sales tax to the internet company who then gives that sales tax to the government.

So if you're a Pennylvania resident and you purchase a book on Amazon for $10, you're paying 6% sales tax (60 cents) to Amazon who then gives that money to Pennsylvania. Amazon doesn't pay it for you, they just collect it from you. They are the tax collectors.

I'll let you make your own conclusions as to the rest, but you may want to re-examine your opinions.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Symmetry on Tue May 07, 2013 8:35 am

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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Night Strike on Tue May 07, 2013 12:25 pm

Take whatever the politicians name a bill and realize the text of the bill does the exact opposite. There's nothing that makes this a fair playing field. It actually reverses who is being "punished" because now the businesses that only exist in one location will have to figure up the exact tax rate for every single jurisdiction in the nation and submit payments to those jurisdictions. Furthermore, every single jurisdiction will have the ability to audit and force licensure for businesses that sell to their residents. The entire point of a sales tax is to fund the local government. If a business isn't located in that jurisdiction, why should they be forced to pay taxes there? Also, this is quite plainly taxation without representation. A business in Tennessee has no representation in what the tax rates are in Oregon, so why are they collecting and paying taxes in Oregon?
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue May 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Night Strike wrote:Take whatever the politicians name a bill and realize the text of the bill does the exact opposite. There's nothing that makes this a fair playing field. It actually reverses who is being "punished" because now the businesses that only exist in one location will have to figure up the exact tax rate for every single jurisdiction in the nation and submit payments to those jurisdictions. Furthermore, every single jurisdiction will have the ability to audit and force licensure for businesses that sell to their residents. The entire point of a sales tax is to fund the local government. If a business isn't located in that jurisdiction, why should they be forced to pay taxes there? Also, this is quite plainly taxation without representation. A business in Tennessee has no representation in what the tax rates are in Oregon, so why are they collecting and paying taxes in Oregon?


Re: bold...

THEY AREN'T BEING TAXED!!!
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Night Strike on Tue May 07, 2013 12:49 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Take whatever the politicians name a bill and realize the text of the bill does the exact opposite. There's nothing that makes this a fair playing field. It actually reverses who is being "punished" because now the businesses that only exist in one location will have to figure up the exact tax rate for every single jurisdiction in the nation and submit payments to those jurisdictions. Furthermore, every single jurisdiction will have the ability to audit and force licensure for businesses that sell to their residents. The entire point of a sales tax is to fund the local government. If a business isn't located in that jurisdiction, why should they be forced to pay taxes there? Also, this is quite plainly taxation without representation. A business in Tennessee has no representation in what the tax rates are in Oregon, so why are they collecting and paying taxes in Oregon?


Re: bold...

THEY AREN'T BEING TAXED!!!


They're required to be the tax collectors whether or not they have the resources to hire someone to keep up with the approximately 3600 different sales tax jurisdictions. They're not specifically taxed, but they are in effect taxed because they have to hire people to do the job or just stop selling their products online. The money doesn't just magically transfer from the customer to the government...the business has to keep track of what money goes where and when and then send it.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Night Strike on Tue May 07, 2013 12:53 pm

By the way, the taxation without representation also applies to the customers. I don't live in California and am not presently traveling in that state. Why should I be forced to pay their sales taxes?
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue May 07, 2013 12:56 pm

Night Strike wrote:They're required to be the tax collectors whether or not they have the resources to hire someone to keep up with the approximately 3600 different sales tax jurisdictions.


The businesses should consider getting a computer and a piece of sales tax software to do that. I also heard computers can be helpful running an online business for other reasons.
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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue May 07, 2013 12:56 pm

I think there is a model for how to deal with this, and then also a subsequent model to manage the repercussions of the first model.

Exhibit A
Exhibit B


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Re: Do we support the Internet Sales Tax?

Postby Bones2484 on Tue May 07, 2013 12:58 pm

Night Strike wrote:By the way, the taxation without representation also applies to the customers. I don't live in California and am not presently traveling in that state. Why should I be forced to pay their sales taxes?


You don't pay California sales taxes. You pay the sales tax in your state.
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