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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 15, 2013 4:26 am

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Woodruff wrote:That's just it, Phatscotty. The math teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values.


Well you would hope not.

Woodruff wrote:The history teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values.


It's literally baked into the course. You literally can't help that. History is the best example of bias within the course. Math, for the most part is math. But what and how history is covered makes all the difference. Frankly, history was crap in my day and it has become toxic waste today. I would expect that the average college student would totally fail the simple history test given in the 19th century to 8th graders.


There's a big difference between "teaching history with a liberal or conservative viewpoint" (which probably happens, as you say, depending on the author of the particular textbook) and "teaching history with conservative or liberal values". I don't at all believe that history is being taught with conservative or liberal values, and I certainly don't believe that history TEACHERS are (and it's ludicrous to think that teachers unions are) implementing this philosophy. Teachers what they're told to teach, and they really don't have time to put any "spin" on it.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed May 15, 2013 7:14 am

Phatscotty wrote:It's the norm today, in America, for schools to teach and train students to have anti-American values and indoctrinate them in political correctness. .

Well, you sure are an example of anti-American values.. you seem to think the government is the people's enemy, not our servant.

in other words, you missed a BIG section of your basic government studies..the parts about how it actually works and WHY.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 15, 2013 4:28 pm

Woodruff wrote:That's just it, Phatscotty. The math teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values. The history teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values.


Those are flat out lies. My Logic professor pushed Atheism and Liberalism every single class. My American History professor had an extreme Leftist view of history and had a giant Yassir Arafat picture on the wall. The worst I have personally seen came from my English Professor and my political science professor. It was the same guy, and it didn't matter what class he took.

You could have blindly chosen 2 different subjects that are far harder to politicize, had you put any thought into that whatsoever.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 15, 2013 4:35 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:It's the norm today, in America, for schools to teach and train students to have anti-American values and indoctrinate them in political correctness. .

Well, you sure are an example of anti-American values.. you seem to think the government is the people's enemy, not our servant.

in other words, you missed a BIG section of your basic government studies..the parts about how it actually works and WHY.


Player, the government can be the people's enemy, or our servent, or anywhere on a scale from 1-10 on either of those things. How can you even imply that, no matter how evil a leader may be, or how anti-American a leader may be, that they are still our servants?? You imply that no matter what they do, they are our servants. That is completely thoughtless and demands zero accountability. When people think like you do, is when corrupt leaders can most easily get away with whatever they want. Their people are ignorant.

I didn't miss anything, and I think you are missing a BIG section of common sense. Only one who worships big government and holds they can do no wrong could believe what you said, which is why at least I have always found you to be honest.

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You think Jefferson was anti-American too? If anything, can you at least realize that Jefferson is showing that the government can be either or, not always one or the other?
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 15, 2013 8:28 pm

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Woodruff wrote:That's just it, Phatscotty. The math teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values. The history teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values.


Those are flat out lies. My Logic professor pushed Atheism and Liberalism every single class. My American History professor had an extreme Leftist view of history and had a giant Yassir Arafat picture on the wall. The worst I have personally seen came from my English Professor and my political science professor. It was the same guy, and it didn't matter what class he took.
You could have blindly chosen 2 different subjects that are far harder to politicize, had you put any thought into that whatsoever.


Given your views on...well, pretty much every subject I've seen you post on...I'm just going to go ahead and state that I firmly believe that was simply your own preconceptions being tied into what you expected them to be like and every time anything happened that could possibly support your view, you bought into it with all of the fervor you have for a Glen Beck video. The fact that so many of your teachers seemed to do so only supports that view. Your cognitive bias seems to so overwhelm you that it's ridiculous.

Oh, and...MATH is a subject that difficult it is difficult to politicize more than? Good Lord man, get help.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 15, 2013 10:13 pm

Logic is a math class..... It's the #1 most likely class where the Christian right is attacked. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

If you are really serious about this topic, you will watch this evidence, and then discuss.

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Re: Education in the USA

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 16, 2013 12:52 am

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Different words, same nonsense.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby thegreekdog on Thu May 16, 2013 10:46 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:That's just it, Phatscotty. The math teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values. The history teacher isn't teaching conservative OR liberal values.


Those are flat out lies. My Logic professor pushed Atheism and Liberalism every single class. My American History professor had an extreme Leftist view of history and had a giant Yassir Arafat picture on the wall. The worst I have personally seen came from my English Professor and my political science professor. It was the same guy, and it didn't matter what class he took.

You could have blindly chosen 2 different subjects that are far harder to politicize, had you put any thought into that whatsoever.


Did they succeed in their attempts to indoctrinate you into their thinking?

I think many teachers and professors lean left (in my anecdotal experience... of which there is actually a lot).

So there are really two questions here:

- Is the federal government (or some other institution) directing the indoctrination of students into a certain viewpoint? There does not appear to be any proof of that in this thread or anywhere else, so I think we can safely answer no.

- If the answer to the first question is yes, has the indoctrination been successful or effective? I think we can also answer no to that question. You and I have both had left-leaning teachers and professors and we remain staunchly anti-left.

Moderators, since those were rhetorical questions that have effectively ended debate in this thread, this thread can now be locked. Thanks!
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Woodruff on Thu May 16, 2013 11:27 am

Phatscotty wrote:Logic is a math class..... It's the #1 most likely class where the Christian right is attacked. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


But you prove that I could be more wrong than I am every time you post.

Phatscotty wrote:If you are really serious about this topic, you will watch this evidence, and then discuss.


You have a major malfunction here. Logic doesn't care about religion. Religion is irrelevant to logic.

If YOU are really serious about this topic, you would actually educate yourself.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 7:19 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Logic is a math class..... It's the #1 most likely class where the Christian right is attacked. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


But you prove that I could be more wrong than I am every time you post.

Phatscotty wrote:If you are really serious about this topic, you will watch this evidence, and then discuss.


You have a major malfunction here. Logic doesn't care about religion. Religion is irrelevant to logic.

If YOU are really serious about this topic, you would actually educate yourself.


Greekdog, can I get a ruling on Woodruffs' debate style?

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Re: Education in the USA

Postby crispybits on Thu May 16, 2013 7:24 pm

Sorry just had a look at the last few posts and tears are rolling down my face with laughter at the "fact" that the christian right feels attacked by logic. Next thing I'll be reading is that the persecution of proud American christians is proved by the fact the government hasn't switched everyone over to speaking ancient Hebrew, the language of our Lord Jesus Christ! :lol:
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 7:27 pm

That's a lot of conclusion jumping based on a false premise to being with. But I know those things crack you up

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Re: Education in the USA

Postby thegreekdog on Fri May 17, 2013 7:02 am

Phatscotty wrote:Greekdog, can I get a ruling on Woodruffs' debate style?


No. You have questions to answer (rhetorical though they may be).

Phatscotty wrote:I want to learn


I'm not convinced that you want to learn and I certainly don't want to be accused of indoctrinating you.
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby crispybits on Fri May 17, 2013 8:18 am

Phatscotty wrote:That's a lot of conclusion jumping based on a false premise to being with. But I know those things crack you up


Hey you're the one that said it. "Logic is a math class..... It's the #1 most likely class where the Christian right is attacked."

Them damn logicians with their supersets and subsets, their predicates and sillyjisms and apist... apostemalogical arguments, they're persecuting our true and proud christian values. We are under attack from those who have the arrogance to question our obviously totally infallibull arguments by calling the bible circular! Are they stoooopid or something, I have a bible right here and it's clearly rectangular! Them damn logicians don't believe in the power of God, they's all atheests or muslims or something, commies and enemies of 'Murica to the last man! Freedom of (christian) religion dammit!!
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Re: Education in the USA

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:53 am

so anyways, Woodruff was saying that because a math class is a math class, there is no way politics can enter the class, because it's a math class.

but, if you wanted to see how it really is, and not just listen to Woodruffs imagination talking, you would see teachers from all fields say they were required to give each class 5 minute "current events" lectures daily. Obviously, what kind of class it is has nothing at all to do with the ability for it to be an opportunity to indoctrinate. It just shows another way that Woodruff cannot even begin to see the conversation correctly.

yuh, Crispy, you got yourself a joke there, but it's out of context. I'm not really interested in it other than to say that's what happened in my logic class.

Crispy, opinion: Is religion Logical?
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