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Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed May 08, 2013 7:14 am

Do people actually have the illusion that this is not indoctrination of the basest kind?

Does this still happen in most countries?(I know I had to do it when growing up, but dunno if the practice is still current).
Do you think it should happen? I'm genuinely curious.

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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 08, 2013 9:29 am

One of my relatives that lives out in the Northwest recently mentioned to me that...
Article, April 22, 2013:
Members of the Oregon House expressed a variety of views on the pledge of allegiance but wound up voting emphatically to require schools to offer its daily recitation
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House Bill 3014 requires flags in all public and public charter school classrooms, and requires the schools to offer a daily recitation of the pledge for all students. The bill doesn't make it mandatory for students to stand or recite the pledge, but some lawmakers cautioned that students who don't join in would be stigmatized.



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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby muy_thaiguy on Wed May 08, 2013 10:51 am

Never required to do it, but no one gave any mind if you did.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby keiths31 on Wed May 08, 2013 11:10 am

O' Canada is sung in my kids' schools. Someone doesn't want to listen to it, they go in the hall way. Though to be honest, this happens very rarely, if at all in their schools.
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Postby Army of GOD on Wed May 08, 2013 11:17 am

I never did it but I don't really care. The Government's job is to brainwash kids; I can't do shit about it.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 08, 2013 11:24 am

I remember sometime between grades 5-8, I stopped saying the pledge when we started class in the morning. I think I did it to 'rebel.' I'd still stand, but I'd put my hands behind my back I think.


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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Colemanus on Wed May 08, 2013 11:29 am

There has been no great war that makes people want to. 7,000 does not count.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 08, 2013 11:39 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Do people actually have the illusion that this is not indoctrination of the basest kind?


This was just made law here in Nebraska this year. THIS is indoctrination, but I somehow suspect this isn't what Phatscotty is referring to when he complains about indoctrination by our schools.


Haggis_McMutton wrote:Does this still happen in most countries?(I know I had to do it when growing up, but dunno if the practice is still current). Do you think it should happen? I'm genuinely curious.


I'm a patriotic guy. I do think the United States is a great country. If there was something to gain from it, I might be in favor. However, required reciting of the Pledge of Allegience doesn't actually accomplish anything. The kids don't pay ANY attention to the words they're saying...they're just repeating them. Heck, I even find myself just going through the motions sometimes, so I KNOW they are. There is no gain to it. None. So what's the point?
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 08, 2013 11:56 am

Woodruff wrote: None. So what's the point?


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Postby Gillipig on Wed May 08, 2013 12:11 pm

I like it. It's a positive kind of indoctrination. Better than most of the shit we're being indoctrinated with everyday.
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Postby Frigidus on Wed May 08, 2013 12:15 pm

Woodruff wrote:The kids don't pay ANY attention to the words they're saying...they're just repeating them.


That's the truth right there. I was taught the Pledge of Allegiance when I was in Kindergarten. I had no idea what "indivisible", "republic", or "allegiance" meant. I had a very loose grasp on what exactly America stood for in general. It accomplishes nothing outside of making kids look like creepy, chanting cultists for 15 seconds.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 08, 2013 12:15 pm

Gillipig wrote:I like it. It's a positive kind of indoctrination. Better than most of the shit we're being indoctrinated with everyday.


What is positive about it? If they're not paying any attention to the words anyway, they're really NOT being indoctrinated. Essentially, it is a waste of a teacher's classroom time. Which they have little enough of as it is. Which means they're less effective. Which is what Phatscotty complains about.

So I would suggest to you that the Pledge of Allegience is actually a DETRIMENT, not a positive.
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Postby Bones2484 on Wed May 08, 2013 12:16 pm

Gillipig wrote:Better than most of the shit we're being indoctrinated with everyday.


Such as?
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Gillipig on Wed May 08, 2013 12:27 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Better than most of the shit we're being indoctrinated with everyday.


Such as?

You really can't think of any!? Wow, I don't think I want to waste any time discussing it with you if you need to ask me that. Watch the news, that should give you a taste of indoctrination.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed May 08, 2013 12:28 pm

I'm not sure I understand the problem. Just move to a country you like enough to want your kids to sing a song about. Or conversely there are probably countries in Africa or South America with less school. You could teach them just the things you feel like.
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