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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 09, 2013 9:53 pm

What if the pledge were "with Equality and Justice for all..."

Would anyone feel differently?
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby tzor on Thu May 09, 2013 10:02 pm

Woodruff wrote:So you don't believe that our kids should, at a very young age, consider the Earth to be a living eco-system? I'm a little confused here. I didn't watch the video, so if there's more than what you presented in the quotes, I'm interested.


I get a little nervous when people try to anthropomorphise a planet. I get nervous when you have to simplify things to the point of making things incorrect.

Mother Earth: I have begun to get a bit of a fever because some of the people who live on me are making me sick with the dirty gas in their cars, stinky smoke that comes from factories, and icky garbage. You might have felt this way once if you ever got into a car that had been sitting parked in the sun for a long time with the windows shut. When it gets this hot inside of a car the ice cream melts, the flowers you picked bend over and lose their petals, and you feel really uncomfortable because it is SO hot.

I am getting warmer and warmer, just like this car and the reason I am getting hot is because when certain things called fossil fuels are burned the smoke from the burning goes up into the sky to create a kind of a roof on top of the sky! Can you imagine what a roof on top of the sky would be like? The gas people put into cars is a fossil fuel and when you drive around in the car, all the smoke that comes out of the pipe in the back goes up into the sky. When so much smoke goes up into the sky it builds a big roof over the sky and this roof keeps all the hot air from going back out to space, just like the roof of a car! With this roof and heat, I am starting to get sick and my sickness is called Global Warming. I came to you because I knew you would understand and I know how smart you are, and I know you can help. A lot of grownups are helping too. But, I need the help of all the little children of the world to make me better because, if we work together, we can make me a happy and healthy place to live for all the little children and animals in the world.


Global warming gasses do not come from only "dirty" gas, and not only when the smoke is "stinky" and methane production from landfills is something almost everyone avoids these days but then again it doesn't come from "icky" garbage (banana peels can also decompose into methane). But getting children to then "act" on this sloppy information only serves to turn them against their parents.

Oh and hot air going into space? Let's not tell our kids fantasy.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Fri May 10, 2013 2:12 pm

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Woodruff wrote:My problem with it, as I stated previously, is that it accomplishes NOTHING, yet wastes classroom time.


I wouldn't say it accomplishes "nothing." At the very least it is a common distracting activity that focuses the random attention of children before the start of class to a common activity, severing any distractions they had before the start of class and allowing them to refocus on the first class of the day.


Teachers already have this, if they've had even a modicum of teaching experience. I have a five-minute activity for my high school students to start out each class. We call it our "bell-ringer activity".
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Fri May 10, 2013 2:13 pm

Phatscotty wrote:What if the pledge were "with Equality and Justice for all..."

Would anyone feel differently?


It still wouldn't accomplish anything, and it would still waste classroom time.

But that's ok, because then you have more reason to rail on about how teachers' unions are ruining the world, right?
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Fri May 10, 2013 2:14 pm

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:So you don't believe that our kids should, at a very young age, consider the Earth to be a living eco-system? I'm a little confused here. I didn't watch the video, so if there's more than what you presented in the quotes, I'm interested.


I get a little nervous when people try to anthropomorphise a planet. I get nervous when you have to simplify things to the point of making things incorrect.


You get nervous when people have to simplify things FOR KINDERGARTNERS?
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Fri May 10, 2013 2:14 pm

tzor wrote:Oh and hot air going into space? Let's not tell our kids fantasy.


<cough>IntelligentDesign<cough><cough>
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby tzor on Sun May 12, 2013 10:52 pm

Woodruff wrote:You get nervous when people have to simplify things FOR KINDERGARTNERS?


That's not simplification. That's pseudo-religious indoctrination, brainwashing and evangelization. The whole exercise is to get kindergarteners to go against their parents.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby tzor on Sun May 12, 2013 10:54 pm

Woodruff wrote:<cough>IntelligentDesign<cough><cough>


As the term is generally understood? Yes it's horrid and should not be taught ... definitely fantasy.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Mon May 13, 2013 1:34 am

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:You get nervous when people have to simplify things FOR KINDERGARTNERS?


That's not simplification. That's pseudo-religious indoctrination, brainwashing and evangelization. The whole exercise is to get kindergarteners to go against their parents.


"To get kindergartners to go against their parents?" Do you even think about what you're typing, or is it just some sort of a surreal exercise in self-masturbation?

I mean...there's not even a sensical response to the statement due to the absolute absurdity behind it.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Woodruff on Mon May 13, 2013 1:34 am

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:<cough>IntelligentDesign<cough><cough>


As the term is generally understood? Yes it's horrid and should not be taught ... definitely fantasy.


NOT "as the term is generally understood"...I'm talking about the real deal. Intelligent Design is fantasy that does not follow the scientific method. It sure as hell isn't science.
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Re: Making young kids recite national anthems in schools.

Postby Symmetry on Fri May 17, 2013 5:29 am

Woodruff wrote:
Symmetry wrote:When I was at school in the US I just stood up during the pledge without speaking.


Nothing wrong with that at all. It shows respect for those around you and what they're doing, but without requiring that you comply.


To be honest, my first day, I just tried to mumble my way through the words. I had no idea what was going on. Didn't know the ritual, didn't know the words, wasn't expecting it. Thankfully my home room teacher looked out for me and, yeah, I think that was a fair compromise.
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