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Postby Nobunaga on Mon May 13, 2013 4:58 am

We conservatives are just "crazy", thinking the government can do us harm...

Washington Post wrote:At various points over the past two years, Internal Revenue Service officials targeted nonprofit groups that criticized the government and sought to educate Americans about the U.S. Constitution, according to documents in an audit conducted by the agency’s inspector general.
The documents, obtained by The Washington Post from a congressional aide with knowledge of the findings, show that on June 29, 2011, IRS staffers held a briefing with senior agency official Lois G. Lerner in which they described giving special attention to instances where “statements in the case file criticize how the country is being run.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... port-says/


National Review wrote:Along with targeting tea-party groups, the IRS may also have given extra-special attention to the tax-exempt status of some Jewish groups for political reasons.

From the Jewish Press:

The passionately pro-Israel organization Z STREET filed a lawsuit against the IRS, claiming it had been told by an IRS agent that because the organization was “connected to Israel,” its application for tax-exempt status would receive additional scrutiny. This admission was made in response to a query about the lengthy reveiw of Z STREET’s tax exempt status application.

In addition, the IRS agent told a Z STREET representative that the applications of some of those Israel-related organizations have been assigned to “a special unit in the D.C. office to determine whether the organization’s activities contradict the Administration’s public policies.” . . .


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/34 ... ion-update


Wall Street Journal wrote:The Internal Revenue Service's scrutiny of conservative groups went beyond those with "tea party" or "patriot" in their names—as the agency admitted Friday—to also include ones worried about government spending, debt or taxes, and even ones that lobbied to "make America a better place to live," according to new details of a government probe.

The investigation also revealed that a high-ranking IRS official knew as early as mid-2011 that conservative groups were being inappropriately targeted—nearly a year before then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told a congressional committee the agency wasn't targeting conservative groups.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories


Is this story getting any play on the major networks?
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Postby 2dimes on Mon May 13, 2013 5:03 am

Crazy like Gaddafi.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon May 13, 2013 9:05 am

Nobunaga wrote:Is this story getting any play on the major networks?

The internet seems to be covering it enough.


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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Night Strike on Mon May 13, 2013 9:24 am

And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon May 13, 2013 9:27 am

Night Strike wrote:And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.

I can hear the boots coming!

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Gillipig on Mon May 13, 2013 10:46 am

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Mon May 13, 2013 11:25 am

Night Strike wrote:And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.


My God you guys are funny. Is it possible to discuss the problem without resorting to the bullshit?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Mon May 13, 2013 11:28 am

Nobunaga wrote:We conservatives are just "crazy", thinking the government can do us harm...


Conservatives? No.
Republicans? I tend to think so. <grin>

In all seriousness, yes this would definitely appear to be a problem, and potentially a serious one. It definitely bears looking at by a non-partisan entity.

Aside from that, is it necessarily surprising that a tax-exempt application for a group that is stridently against taxes might get a bit more scrutiny?

I'm not trying to justify all of the scrutiny, but it was a comment I saw online that seemed to make a little sense.

Nobunaga wrote:Is this story getting any play on the major networks?


I couldn't answer that one, as I don't really watch them. But it's being talked about a lot online.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Gillipig on Mon May 13, 2013 11:32 am

Woodruff wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:We conservatives are just "crazy", thinking the government can do us harm...


Conservatives? No.
Republicans? I tend to think so. <grin>

In all seriousness, yes this would definitely appear to be a problem, and potentially a serious one. It definitely bears looking at by a non-partisan entity.

Where would you find one of those?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Mon May 13, 2013 11:36 am

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Woodruff wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:We conservatives are just "crazy", thinking the government can do us harm...


Conservatives? No.
Republicans? I tend to think so. <grin>

In all seriousness, yes this would definitely appear to be a problem, and potentially a serious one. It definitely bears looking at by a non-partisan entity.


Where would you find one of those?


I know, I know. But I do think they exist, even if must become a court issue.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Gillipig on Mon May 13, 2013 11:46 am

Woodruff wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
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Conservatives? No.
Republicans? I tend to think so. <grin>

In all seriousness, yes this would definitely appear to be a problem, and potentially a serious one. It definitely bears looking at by a non-partisan entity.


Where would you find one of those?


I know, I know. But I do think they exist, even if must become a court issue.

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, there was a non partisan entity.......
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby ooge on Mon May 13, 2013 12:21 pm

I love it! WOOHOO!!!! about time.now they should go after the Heritage Foundation,club for growth,etc. of course this will flip when there is a repub president again.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon May 13, 2013 8:06 pm

Night Strike wrote:And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.


I agree with Woodruff here. It is basically meaningless rhetoric to describe the IRS looking a little bit harder at someone's tax records as an example of the "modern day Inquisition."
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Nobunaga on Mon May 13, 2013 8:07 pm

ooge wrote:I love it! WOOHOO!!!! about time.now they should go after the Heritage Foundation,club for growth,etc. of course this will flip when there is a repub president again.


The sins you forgive when they are committed against those you hate....

It's funny to me.

The IRS has also been leaking confidential information of evil republicans and conservatives, Romney included. WOOHOO!
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby notyou2 on Mon May 13, 2013 8:16 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
ooge wrote:I love it! WOOHOO!!!! about time.now they should go after the Heritage Foundation,club for growth,etc. of course this will flip when there is a repub president again.


The sins you forgive when they are committed against those you hate....

It's funny to me.

The IRS has also been leaking confidential information of evil republicans and conservatives, Romney included. WOOHOO!


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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Nobunaga on Mon May 13, 2013 8:16 pm

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Night Strike wrote:And next year the IRS gets to control everybody's health care also. Welcome to the modern day Inquisition and Enemies List.


I agree with Woodruff here. It is basically meaningless rhetoric to describe the IRS looking a little bit harder at someone's tax records as an example of the "modern day Inquisition."


It goes a bit beyond "looking a little bit harder".

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/the-i ... o-leaking/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... print.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-20 ... tion4a.pdf
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... TopStories

But it's all good cover for the Benghazi thing, eh? Benghawhat?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Night Strike on Mon May 13, 2013 9:38 pm

"He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."

- Article 2 Section 1 of Nixon's impeachment.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 13, 2013 9:47 pm

and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Orwell on Mon May 13, 2013 11:00 pm

Phatscotty wrote:and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 13, 2013 11:15 pm

Orwell wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.


we have all the facts already? Someone should have told me earlier! Can you remind us all please of the facts which you speak. And can you source the evidence that Obama didn't suggest or request it.

Thanks in advance
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Orwell on Mon May 13, 2013 11:39 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:and Nixon didn't even go through with it, he only TRIED to. Obama administration actually DID it.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.
But why let good conspiracy get in the way of the facts, eh.


we have all the facts already? Someone should have told me earlier! Can you remind us all please of the facts which you speak. And can you source the evidence that Obama didn't suggest or request it.

Thanks in advance

Well, isn't that convenient - because you apparently have enough "facts" to imply that Obama ordered it.
Or, is that why you caveat with the Obama administration "DID" it? Not exactly Nixon, but point the finger anyway. So whatever, I am sure spreading conspiracy by suggestion is the easier way of going about it.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 13, 2013 11:43 pm

FAIL. Where do you people come from?

I said his administration did something....that they admit they did. You call that a conspiracy? I'll give you a break, because it's clear you don't have a clue what's going on, and this is just a knee-jerk defend Obama use the word conspiracy thingy....

The Obama administration did what the Nixon Administration attempted to do, and is one thing Nixon was impeached for

But it is still getting worse. I know you think all the facts are in, but in the last hour it's been revealed that peoples tax records were also leaked to political opponents and private sector competitors.

If you want to play conspiracy, I would offer this as a possible reason Justice Roberts caved on Obamacare. However, the reality is, what they have already admitted is so bad, that nobody needs any kind of conspiracy.

Obama is in deep shit. And I would bet a lot of money that it gets a lot deeper. I tell you now, heads will roll on this one. Even numerous LIBERALS are talking about Impeachment.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Orwell on Mon May 13, 2013 11:49 pm

Phatscotty wrote:FAIL. Where do you people come from?

I said his administration did something....that they admit they did.

Right. The caveat. And Obama didn't order it. It came from within the IRS.
That is known.


Phatscotty wrote:You call that a conspiracy? I'll give you a break, because it's clear you don't have a clue what's going on, and this is just a knee-jerk defend Obama use the word conspiracy thingy....

The Obama administration did what the Nixon Administration attempted to do, and is one thing Nixon was impeached for

WOW. Congratulations on that LEAP in logic - and resorting to personal insults. But again, why let the facts get in the way, eh, you got it all figured out. /roll
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 13, 2013 11:54 pm

How do you know Obama didn't order it? take 2 You are saying what about leaps in logic?

Sounds like pure speculation to me. It's not like we aren't aware that Obama hates the Tea Party, but of course, I'm sure that doesn't mean anything...
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Orwell on Tue May 14, 2013 12:10 am

Phatscotty wrote:How do you know Obama didn't order it? take 2 You are saying what about leaps in logic?

And you know he did? Which political appointee did Obama make in the IRS and then ordered to target conservative groups?


Phatscotty wrote:Sounds like pure speculation to me. It's not like we aren't aware that Obama hates the Tea Party, but of course, I'm sure that doesn't mean anything...

LOL - speculation???
You are the one implying the President ordered the IRS to target conservative groups, correlating Obama's "involvement" to that of Nixon's in the Watergate Scandal without a shred of evidence suggesting anything came from the White House. That is a very wishful leap in logic.

And when you get the tapes from Oval Office of Obama ordering the IRS to target conservative groups, please let me know.
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