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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu May 16, 2013 10:44 pm

Pretty sure every president has said the same thing.

All he said in the speech was the government is not some evil entity, it's the people. If you don't like what's happening, you can participate and change it. And that you should.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby warmonger1981 on Thu May 16, 2013 10:44 pm

WORD UP Juan_Bottom!!!
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Night Strike on Thu May 16, 2013 10:51 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Ppsssss

There's like, 2.5 million Executive Branch employees. Obama has more important things to do. Like cover-up Benghazi.


Except every time there has been an instance of a problem going on in his administration, Obama has known nothing about it ahead of time. Is he so incompetent that he knows nothing of what's going on in his organization? I know he plays a lot of golf and takes a lot of vacations, but we're told he's kept apprised of what's going on while he's doing those things. What does he actually know about what's going on with his underlings?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 10:52 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Pretty sure every president has said the same thing.

All he said in the speech was the government is not some evil entity, it's the people. If you don't like what's happening, you can participate and change it. And that you should.


that's about as sugar coated as it gets. Obama said straight up to ignore speech warning against government tyranny
Reagan said the complete opposite

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby warmonger1981 on Thu May 16, 2013 11:08 pm

Now Eric Holder doesnt know shit. He is incompetent as all hell with his "I don't know" or "I haven't been briefed on that". Freaking guy had testimony for like 4 hours and gave nothing but "I don't know what the f*ck happens in my department". Sounds like the same script he gave on the Fast and Furious briefings. Now he should get fired. Sounds like a broken record.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 11:35 pm

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri May 17, 2013 12:24 am

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Juan_Bottom wrote:Ppsssss

There's like, 2.5 million Executive Branch employees. Obama has more important things to do. Like cover-up Benghazi.


Except every time there has been an instance of a problem going on in his administration, Obama has known nothing about it ahead of time. Is he so incompetent that he knows nothing of what's going on in his organization? I know he plays a lot of golf and takes a lot of vacations, but we're told he's kept apprised of what's going on while he's doing those things. What does he actually know about what's going on with his underlings?


That's total bullshit. Republican presidents always take more vacations than Democratic ones. It is known.

Furthermore, all of these "problems" are made-up lies spread around by people who hate Obama just because. That's why ya'll keep getting called racists. Because you make-up stuff to blame Obama for.

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Phatscotty wrote:that's about as sugar coated as it gets. Obama said straight up to ignore speech warning against government tyranny
Reagan said the complete opposite


Yeah, that's like, his mantra. He's always saying over and over "ignore the tyranny you guise." Don't be a paranoid conspiracy guy too.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Night Strike on Fri May 17, 2013 8:34 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Furthermore, all of these "problems" are made-up lies spread around by people who hate Obama just because. That's why ya'll keep getting called racists. Because you make-up stuff to blame Obama for.


Actually, that was the administration making up things: namely the talking points on Benghazi.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Night Strike on Fri May 17, 2013 8:01 pm

Don't worry, this had nothing to do with politics. :roll:

A group founded by an Obama family member was breaking the law, yet they received fast-track AND retroactive approval for their group without any extra scrutiny: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/irs-stalled-conservative-groups-but-gave-speedy-approval-to-obama-foundation/2013/05/16/90c53e8a-be57-11e2-89c9-3be8095fe767_story.html
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri May 17, 2013 8:05 pm

Some useful information about politics and the IRS:


James Bovard: A Brief History of IRS Political Targeting (5-10 min read)
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 30836.html

(No, he's not blaming Obama but is looking forward to the investigation. He's presenting a fascinating history of the IRS and instances where politicians used the IRS to target other politicians, political groups, and individuals.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:24 am

Phatscotty wrote:
There have been 2 ways of seeing things in the past, 2 perspectives. But now Obama is fucking up Democrats so bad the red carpet is rolled out for the Tea Party , WHO HAS BEEN SAYING SO the entire time, to totally dominate the Congress.

welcome to the "Tea Party Revival" \:D/ \:D/ \:D/



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA! Your video about the Tea Party has Michelle Bachmann in it. That's all you need to know about the Tea Party right there. Embarrassing.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:25 am

Night Strike wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Furthermore, all of these "problems" are made-up lies spread around by people who hate Obama just because. That's why ya'll keep getting called racists. Because you make-up stuff to blame Obama for.


Actually, that was the administration making up things: namely the talking points on Benghazi.


It's appearing less and less likely that this is the case, you do realize...right?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:28 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:And I didn't bring this up when Bush was in office, as I said.


Yeah...I can't speak for when Bush was in office, but your postings have become increasingly...well, like someone who would do that.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:31 am

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
There have been 2 ways of seeing things in the past, 2 perspectives. But now Obama is fucking up Democrats so bad the red carpet is rolled out for the Tea Party , WHO HAS BEEN SAYING SO the entire time, to totally dominate the Congress.

welcome to the "Tea Party Revival" \:D/ \:D/ \:D/



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA! Your video about the Tea Party has Michelle Bachmann in it. That's all you need to know about the Tea Party right there. Embarrassing.


worst argument of 2013

"Woodruff made that post! That's all you need to know about right there! How embarassing Woodruff! Stop embarassing yourself."


weak

the tea party is getting stronger and stronger. Deal with it and stop whining.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:35 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
There have been 2 ways of seeing things in the past, 2 perspectives. But now Obama is fucking up Democrats so bad the red carpet is rolled out for the Tea Party , WHO HAS BEEN SAYING SO the entire time, to totally dominate the Congress.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA! Your video about the Tea Party has Michelle Bachmann in it. That's all you need to know about the Tea Party right there. Embarrassing.


worst argument of 2013


I suppose a Bachmann supporter like yourself wouldn't consider her or her non-Tea Party motives embarrassing. I wouldn't expect you to. It's not at all surprising you believe it's a good thing that she is involved with the Tea Party, because it feeds your own embarrassing motives.

Phatscotty wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:"Woodruff made that post! That's all you need to know about right there! How embarassing Woodruff! Stop embarassing yourself."


weak
the tea party is getting stronger and stronger. Deal with it and stop whining.


Is this like the "Romney is a guaranteed win" and "traditional marriage will win out" arguments? You've got quite a consistent track record with your predictions, but I'm not real sure you should be so proud of that particular consistency.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby warmonger1981 on Sat May 18, 2013 12:37 am

Looks like common practice to target conservative organizations. Wonder why??
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:41 am

warmonger1981 wrote:Looks like common practice to target conservative organizations. Wonder why??


They are the only ones who know how to turn a profit?

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:42 am

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Is this like the "Romney is a guaranteed win" and "traditional marriage will win out" arguments? You've got quite a consistent track record with your predictions, but I'm not real sure you should be so proud of that particular consistency.


Who someone votes for is not a "prediction". LMFAO! By your BS standard, if someone loses an issue one time, their "consistency" is shot? weak man LOL! Someone is about as able to "win" every issue as one is able to win every election. It's impossible, but I know you roll like that.

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 1:06 am

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warmonger1981 wrote:Looks like common practice to target conservative organizations. Wonder why??


They are the only ones who know how to turn a profit?


Mens Wearhouse thinks you're a funny guy.
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 1:09 am

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Woodruff wrote:
Is this like the "Romney is a guaranteed win" and "traditional marriage will win out" arguments? You've got quite a consistent track record with your predictions, but I'm not real sure you should be so proud of that particular consistency.


Who someone votes for is not a "prediction".


That is thoroughly irrelevant to my statements.

Phatscotty wrote:By your BS standard, if someone loses an issue one time, their "consistency" is shot?


No, by my standard, if you consistently make idiotic predictions, eventually people are going to consider your predictions to be idiotic. It's fairly straightforward.

Phatscotty wrote:Someone is about as able to "win" every issue as one is able to win every election. It's impossible, but I know you roll like that.


You're trying to completely change the point I made, and failing miserably. It's sad, but I know you roll like that.

Phatscotty wrote:It's pretty clear you are aware your credibility is shot.


You really need to find some self-awareness.

By the way, aren't I foed? Wanting to hit the Baker's Dozen, are you?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 1:26 am

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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 1:27 am

Phatscotty wrote:you are a crazy person


You really need to find some self-awareness.

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Re: Orwellian IRS

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Illinois Congressman Aaron Schock during the House Ways and Means Committee hearing on the IRS scandal on Friday made a shocking claim: the IRS once asked an Iowa-based pro-life group to reveal the content of their prayers.

“Their question, specifically asked from the IRS to the Coalition for Life of Iowa: ‘Please detail the content of the members of your organization’s prayers,’” Rep. Schock said while grilling ousted IRS interim chief Steven Miller, .

“Would that be an inappropriate question to a 501(c)3 applicant?” the Republican congressman asked. “The content of one’s prayers?”

“It pains me to say I can’t speak to that one either,” Miller answered, adding later that her would be “surprised” if a question of that sort was asked of any conservative group.



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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 1:33 am

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Illinois Congressman Aaron Schock during the House Ways and Means Committee hearing on the IRS scandal on Friday made a shocking claim: the IRS once asked an Iowa-based pro-life group to reveal the content of their prayers.

“Their question, specifically asked from the IRS to the Coalition for Life of Iowa: ‘Please detail the content of the members of your organization’s prayers,’” Rep. Schock said while grilling ousted IRS interim chief Steven Miller, .

“Would that be an inappropriate question to a 501(c)3 applicant?” the Republican congressman asked. “The content of one’s prayers?”

“It pains me to say I can’t speak to that one either,” Miller answered, adding later that her would be “surprised” if a question of that sort was asked of any conservative group.


I would certainly agree that would be an inappropriate (and stupid, frankly) question to ask. But it leads me to ask...is there some actual evidence that question was asked, or was it just an allegation?
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Re: Orwellian IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 1:48 am

Piers Morgan: Now I see U.S. government tyranny

Now – after learning of the Obama administration’s involvement in the IRS’ targeting of conservative groups and its secret seizure of Associated Press phone records – the CNN host admitted to guest Penn Jillette that perhaps gun advocates were right about creeping tyranny after all:

“I’ve had some of the pro-gun lobbyists on here, saying to me, ‘Well, the reason we need to be armed is because of tyranny from our own government,’ and I’ve always laughed at them,” Morgan said. “I said, ‘Don’t be ridiculous! Your government won’t turn itself on you. …

“But, actually, this is vaguely tyrannical behavior by the American government.”

He continued, “I think what the IRS did is bordering on tyrannical behavior. I think what the Department of Justice has done to the AP is bordering on tyrannical behavior.”

Jillette agreed with Morgan, stating, “There’s no doubt about that. Once you use the word ‘bordering,’ that’s true.

“I also think that it shows you that how much we can trust the government and just sit back– which is not very much at all. We have to be ever vigilant.”


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