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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 15, 2013 10:04 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
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thegreekdog wrote:
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Which administration are you talking about? Reagan? Bush I? Clinton? Bush II? Obama?

Cause I'm pretty sure all of those administrations have done it.


Reagan obviously,if you have proof of others supply it.


Done (but only Presidents Clinton and Obama):

http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/articles/actmay95.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-2 ... ia-and-uae
http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthomps ... gn-policy/

To be fair, right now Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates aren't enemies of the United States.


Bud,you just wasted my time there,I was looking for sworn enemies of the US in these articles I did not find any.


So selling weapons to despotic regimes as bad as Saddam Hussein's is totally fine with you?

If not, how do such sales affect the images of those presidents? (Certainly can't be a positive image--as much as people try to reinvent their favored presidents, e.g. Obama).


You know how you don't really argue with Phatscotty because he's so ridiculously over-the-top partisan? Oooge fits that description as well.


:lol: You just can't help yourself, can you? It's not my fault what you think is wrong.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 15, 2013 10:05 pm

Obama Approval Rating - How low will he go?

Wednesday, May 15, 2013

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) now disapprove.

Today’s figures include 26% who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 39% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu May 16, 2013 9:18 am

Phatscotty wrote: :lol: You just can't help yourself, can you? It's not my fault what you think is wrong.


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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby thegreekdog on Thu May 16, 2013 10:28 am

Phatscotty wrote:You just can't help yourself, can you? It's not my fault what you think is wrong.


I was making a point to Woodruff that he thinks you're partisan. Really has nothing to do with you (sorry).

Not that it matters, but I think you are partisan, not consistent in your arguments, and unknowledgeable about the subjects you argue. I agree with you on more than a few things, but your argument style is atrocious. You need to go to debate school or something.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu May 16, 2013 11:12 am

thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:You just can't help yourself, can you? It's not my fault what you think is wrong.


I was making a point to Woodruff that he thinks you're partisan. Really has nothing to do with you (sorry).

Not that it matters, but I think you are partisan, not consistent in your arguments, and unknowledgeable about the subjects you argue. I agree with you on more than a few things, but your argument style is atrocious. You need to go to debate school or something.

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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Woodruff on Thu May 16, 2013 11:17 am

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Woodruff wrote:What gets me is this...there are plenty of things that Obama has done that are seriously bad, even to the point that I would consider to be impeachment-worthy. But Benghazi isn't one of them. It just isn't.


I'd agree that Benghazi is not impeachment worthy though I think the administration definitely screwed the pooch on it. Would you agree?


I would agree that it definitely appears that way, yes.

patrickaa317 wrote:And it's crazy there isn't more publicity about the fact that not only did some corruption occur


I'm not convinced of the corruption angle, to be honest.

patrickaa317 wrote:If they had came out right away and said "we underestimated intelligence reports and four good Americans died, which we deeply, deeply regret". It would have sucked but the way this was handled was bad on many levels. I would have given credit for honesty though I would have probably criticized them for underestimating those reports.


I agree completely.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Woodruff on Thu May 16, 2013 11:18 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
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thegreekdog wrote:
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ooge wrote:instead of voter ID law how about a test to see if you understand simple U.S. history. it seems to me there was an administration that sold weapons to a country that was a sworn enemy of the US.supplying the enemy with weapons is treason.Why republicans look at Ronald Reagan the same way a child looks at Superman I will never know.


Which administration are you talking about? Reagan? Bush I? Clinton? Bush II? Obama?

Cause I'm pretty sure all of those administrations have done it.


Reagan obviously,if you have proof of others supply it.


Done (but only Presidents Clinton and Obama):

http://www.fas.org/asmp/library/articles/actmay95.html
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-2 ... ia-and-uae
http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthomps ... gn-policy/

To be fair, right now Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates aren't enemies of the United States.


Bud,you just wasted my time there,I was looking for sworn enemies of the US in these articles I did not find any.


So selling weapons to despotic regimes as bad as Saddam Hussein's is totally fine with you?


At the time, was Saddam someone who was working for our interests? I'm pretty sure he was.

Don't get me wrong...I have long held that we supply our own eventual enemies, so I'm certainly not trying to justify that. But selling to an actual current enemy is a far different thing in my view.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Woodruff on Thu May 16, 2013 11:20 am

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Woodruff wrote:I was a classified military network system administrator during Iran-Contra. I know a lot about it. Essentially, there was an arms embargo against Iran, and our government arranged to get arms to them in an effort to secure the release of our hostages and in the hope of sending the money to those fighting Communism in Nicaragua.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying there was a reason for it, just like there are reasons why we are supporting the Arab Spring uprisings or selling weapons to countries whose leaders routinely violate human rights and/or will eventually be fighting us. It's not like the Reagan administration said "let's sell some weapons to Iran and see what happens" (although, that was kind of what it was).


Of course he wasn't, and I'm not saying that there wasn't some political reason for it. However...

thegreekdog wrote:In any event, my comparisons are valid.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, given the status of the nations those weapons are being sold to. I don't even understand why you think it's a valid comparison.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Woodruff on Thu May 16, 2013 11:22 am

Phatscotty wrote:Obama Approval Rating - How low will he go?

Wednesday, May 15, 2013

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) now disapprove.

Today’s figures include 26% who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 39% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13


Not that it's any great victory, but that's a hell of a lot stronger than Congress'...
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 16, 2013 1:22 pm

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So selling weapons to despotic regimes as bad as Saddam Hussein's is totally fine with you?


At the time, was Saddam someone who was working for our interests? I'm pretty sure he was.

Don't get me wrong...I have long held that we supply our own eventual enemies, so I'm certainly not trying to justify that. But selling to an actual current enemy is a far different thing in my view.


Sure, it's different, but I'm trying to see where ooge's moral compass lay because it seems a bit inconsistent whenever the word "Democrat" becomes involved.

Even if it's different, I don't praise subsidizing corrupt, oppressive regimes--nor do I find it useful enough. And with blowback or their becoming enemies of the US, it was a complete waste. Encouraging despotism and creating waste v. subsidizing a current enemy.... hmm, it's not an important distinction if the outcomes are both poor.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 5:06 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:Obama Approval Rating - How low will he go?

Wednesday, May 15, 2013

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) now disapprove.

Today’s figures include 26% who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 39% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13


Not that it's any great victory, but that's a hell of a lot stronger than Congress'...


Repubs are not trying to raise their approval numbers but instead drag everyone else down to their level.This also helps with promoting their long stated goal of all government is evil.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby thegreekdog on Thu May 16, 2013 5:13 pm

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Woodruff wrote:I was a classified military network system administrator during Iran-Contra. I know a lot about it. Essentially, there was an arms embargo against Iran, and our government arranged to get arms to them in an effort to secure the release of our hostages and in the hope of sending the money to those fighting Communism in Nicaragua.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying there was a reason for it, just like there are reasons why we are supporting the Arab Spring uprisings or selling weapons to countries whose leaders routinely violate human rights and/or will eventually be fighting us. It's not like the Reagan administration said "let's sell some weapons to Iran and see what happens" (although, that was kind of what it was).


Of course he wasn't, and I'm not saying that there wasn't some political reason for it. However...

thegreekdog wrote:In any event, my comparisons are valid.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, given the status of the nations those weapons are being sold to. I don't even understand why you think it's a valid comparison.


Because in 5 years or 10 years or 15 years or whatever, if we are at war with those countries, they will use those weapons against us. We aren't even at war with Iran (nor were we ever). I'm not making an excuse for Reagan or his administration because I wouldn't sell weapons to anyone (if I was the dictator of the U.S.) and will continue to think it was a bad idea. But selling weapons in exchange for getting hostages back, selling weapons to corrupt allies, selling weapons to degraders of human rights, and selling weapons to future enemies are comparable.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 16, 2013 5:24 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:Obama Approval Rating - How low will he go?

Wednesday, May 15, 2013

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) now disapprove.

Today’s figures include 26% who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 39% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13


Not that it's any great victory, but that's a hell of a lot stronger than Congress'...



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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 5:28 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
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thegreekdog wrote:
Woodruff wrote:I was a classified military network system administrator during Iran-Contra. I know a lot about it. Essentially, there was an arms embargo against Iran, and our government arranged to get arms to them in an effort to secure the release of our hostages and in the hope of sending the money to those fighting Communism in Nicaragua.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying there was a reason for it, just like there are reasons why we are supporting the Arab Spring uprisings or selling weapons to countries whose leaders routinely violate human rights and/or will eventually be fighting us. It's not like the Reagan administration said "let's sell some weapons to Iran and see what happens" (although, that was kind of what it was).


Of course he wasn't, and I'm not saying that there wasn't some political reason for it. However...

thegreekdog wrote:In any event, my comparisons are valid.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, given the status of the nations those weapons are being sold to. I don't even understand why you think it's a valid comparison.


Because in 5 years or 10 years or 15 years or whatever, if we are at war with those countries, they will use those weapons against us. We aren't even at war with Iran (nor were we ever). I'm not making an excuse for Reagan or his administration because I wouldn't sell weapons to anyone (if I was the dictator of the U.S.) and will continue to think it was a bad idea. But selling weapons in exchange for getting hostages back, selling weapons to corrupt allies, selling weapons to degraders of human rights, and selling weapons to future enemies are comparable.


I do not disagree with you.but you have changed the subject from selling weapons to a sworn enemy against the laws of congress, to arms proliferation.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 9:39 pm

We could discuss the Grant administration for corruption,but that would not be as much fun.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby danco on Thu May 16, 2013 11:17 pm

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danco wrote:At least up their with wilson and roosevelt I d say carter to but that old boy was just dottie of course he did leave behind the dept of ed. two generations educated in gov. schools how else did "barry"get elected in the first place


Gosh, you wouldn't be biased at all!

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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu May 16, 2013 11:20 pm

ooge wrote:We could discuss the Grant administration for corruption,but that would not be as much fun.

Granted.


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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 16, 2013 11:28 pm

this 4th of July

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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby ooge on Fri May 17, 2013 12:25 am

Phatscotty wrote:this 4th of July



I hope you participate Phatman.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri May 17, 2013 4:10 am

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ooge wrote:We could discuss the Grant administration for corruption,but that would not be as much fun.

Granted.


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Oh, quit your grant-standing.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby thegreekdog on Fri May 17, 2013 7:18 am

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Woodruff wrote:
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Woodruff wrote:I was a classified military network system administrator during Iran-Contra. I know a lot about it. Essentially, there was an arms embargo against Iran, and our government arranged to get arms to them in an effort to secure the release of our hostages and in the hope of sending the money to those fighting Communism in Nicaragua.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying there was a reason for it, just like there are reasons why we are supporting the Arab Spring uprisings or selling weapons to countries whose leaders routinely violate human rights and/or will eventually be fighting us. It's not like the Reagan administration said "let's sell some weapons to Iran and see what happens" (although, that was kind of what it was).


Of course he wasn't, and I'm not saying that there wasn't some political reason for it. However...

thegreekdog wrote:In any event, my comparisons are valid.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, given the status of the nations those weapons are being sold to. I don't even understand why you think it's a valid comparison.


Because in 5 years or 10 years or 15 years or whatever, if we are at war with those countries, they will use those weapons against us. We aren't even at war with Iran (nor were we ever). I'm not making an excuse for Reagan or his administration because I wouldn't sell weapons to anyone (if I was the dictator of the U.S.) and will continue to think it was a bad idea. But selling weapons in exchange for getting hostages back, selling weapons to corrupt allies, selling weapons to degraders of human rights, and selling weapons to future enemies are comparable.


I do not disagree with you.but you have changed the subject from selling weapons to a sworn enemy against the laws of congress, to arms proliferation.


And you keep leaving out the "to get hostages back" from your statement. Ostensibly, the purpose of your post was to show how the Reagan administration was corrupt because it sold weapons to a sworn enemy [who we were never at war with] against the laws of Congress [to get hostages back]. Is that better or worse than selling weapons to Iraq or Afghanistan, who we have gone to war with, in order to "protect our interests" in this regions. In the interest of full disclosure, I have no clue what administrations sold weapons to those countries. Is what the Reagan administration did better or worse than the Obama administration which sold weapons to ultra-zealous religious groups (or democratic rebels who then gave them to ultra-zealous religious groups) in the various Arab Spring uprisings (where the ultra-zealous religious groups have eerily similar views on the United States as Iran)?

Again, I'm not defending the Reagan administration. I'm partisan in the context of being a Libertarian and a constitutionalist. I have no skin in this game except to try to get you to acknowledge that the problem wasn't and isn't Reagan and Republicans and the Tea Party, the problem is presidential administrations and the Repocrats and all special interest groups. This is much like the IRS "scandal" - both sides engage in similar activities and the only time any side is called out is when the other side's partisans do it. It's ignorant and shameful and solves nothing.
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby ooge on Fri May 17, 2013 6:29 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
ooge wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Woodruff wrote:I was a classified military network system administrator during Iran-Contra. I know a lot about it. Essentially, there was an arms embargo against Iran, and our government arranged to get arms to them in an effort to secure the release of our hostages and in the hope of sending the money to those fighting Communism in Nicaragua.


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying there was a reason for it, just like there are reasons why we are supporting the Arab Spring uprisings or selling weapons to countries whose leaders routinely violate human rights and/or will eventually be fighting us. It's not like the Reagan administration said "let's sell some weapons to Iran and see what happens" (although, that was kind of what it was).


Of course he wasn't, and I'm not saying that there wasn't some political reason for it. However...

thegreekdog wrote:In any event, my comparisons are valid.


I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, given the status of the nations those weapons are being sold to. I don't even understand why you think it's a valid comparison.


Because in 5 years or 10 years or 15 years or whatever, if we are at war with those countries, they will use those weapons against us. We aren't even at war with Iran (nor were we ever). I'm not making an excuse for Reagan or his administration because I wouldn't sell weapons to anyone (if I was the dictator of the U.S.) and will continue to think it was a bad idea. But selling weapons in exchange for getting hostages back, selling weapons to corrupt allies, selling weapons to degraders of human rights, and selling weapons to future enemies are comparable.


I do not disagree with you.but you have changed the subject from selling weapons to a sworn enemy against the laws of congress, to arms proliferation.


And you keep leaving out the "to get hostages back" from your statement. Ostensibly, the purpose of your post was to show how the Reagan administration was corrupt because it sold weapons to a sworn enemy [who we were never at war with] against the laws of Congress [to get hostages back]. Is that better or worse than selling weapons to Iraq or Afghanistan, who we have gone to war with, in order to "protect our interests" in this regions. In the interest of full disclosure, I have no clue what administrations sold weapons to those countries. Is what the Reagan administration did better or worse than the Obama administration which sold weapons to ultra-zealous religious groups (or democratic rebels who then gave them to ultra-zealous religious groups) in the various Arab Spring uprisings (where the ultra-zealous religious groups have eerily similar views on the United States as Iran)?

Again, I'm not defending the Reagan administration. I'm partisan in the context of being a Libertarian and a constitutionalist. I have no skin in this game except to try to get you to acknowledge that the problem wasn't and isn't Reagan and Republicans and the Tea Party, the problem is presidential administrations and the Repocrats and all special interest groups. This is much like the IRS "scandal" - both sides engage in similar activities and the only time any side is called out is when the other side's partisans do it. It's ignorant and shameful and solves nothing.


I would be repeating myself,as you have done.I will only add they negotiated with terrorists. Also the hostages being released the day Reagan was sworn in as president and Iran/contra was connected, unfortunately the CIA director died before it could be confirmed.look into Bush senior and Iran/contra and what happened to the pilot and his wife who moved the supplies into Nicaragua.Noriega ending up in a US prison after working for the CIA? Bush Senior quote"if the American people found out what really happened with Iran/Contra they would come after us with torches and pitchforks" But hey why not Americans, lets put those people back in power in 2000 what could possibly go wrong? :lol:
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:31 am

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danco wrote:At least up their with wilson and roosevelt I d say carter to but that old boy was just dottie of course he did leave behind the dept of ed. two generations educated in gov. schools how else did "barry"get elected in the first place


Gosh, you wouldn't be biased at all!

Biased it use to be called having an opinion read a book maybe you could develop one of your own


Hahahahh...oh boy, you are a funny guy! Well done. Now maybe along with your humor, you can develop a little perspective!
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:45 am

I don't know this Danco guy, but fyi rule #1 around here is if Obama is being held accountable for something, Woodruff is right there defending him....defending the most corrupt president in history
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Re: most corrupt administration in the history of the US

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 18, 2013 12:46 am

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Phatscotty wrote:this 4th of July



I hope you participate Phatman.


You don't need to tell us what your hopes are. You are compassionate. We all know what you hope for....
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