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Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 17, 2013 3:58 pm

I just saw the new Star Trek Into the Darkness, really good special effects. Director JJ Abrams did a good job. But I have one glaring beef with him: sure he did well bringing all the old characters back pretty & young, but the amountif copying he did with The Wrath of Khan is a huge let down. Both movies have warp core drive off line. Both have radiation leaks. Both have "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one". Both have glass shielding the dying from the living. Both have the hand touching the glass. Both have the one saving the ship die. Both have the one who saved the ship resurrected.

Its silly how unoriginal JJ Abrams was.

The other flaw is Khan in the original was olive skinned, deep speaking with a Spanish draw. The new Khan is white skin, higher pitched VII e & doesn't sound the same. You mean to tell me they couldn't get off their butts and find talent that matched the original Khan? That's just lazy casting.

They did do a nice job of introducing Dr. MARCUS, Captain Kirk's mother of his child.


Star Wars has Jar Jar Binks. +1 point Star Trek....
Star Wars has a death star +1

Let the debate commence. State your opinion of why a movie gets a +1 or -1... I will tally up the votes...
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Vid_FISO on Fri May 17, 2013 4:08 pm

Not quite sure you can blame the director for copying a story line? He makes the best film he can from the script surely?
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Fri May 17, 2013 4:32 pm

Director has say about script. But also JJ Abrams was the producer too. But this isn't about one person, its about which series you like best and why? By the way JJ Abrams is directing the new Star Wars Episodes 7-9.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby betiko on Fri May 17, 2013 4:49 pm

all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting... i watched a little the old show from the 60s when I was a kid, but probably because there was nothing else on or just because kids have poor tastes. each time i've seen bits of the next generation I couldn't last 2 minutes... I think it's really really bad.... and the movies... I guess they were all directly distributed on tape and couldn't ve stayed a week in theaters here in europe.

I mean you can't even remotely compare that to star wars. Oh yeah you can, if you refer to the crappy second trilogy (I,II,III) lucas came up with. I can imagine disney will make a great job continuing to cover this saga with cow poop.

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby waauw on Fri May 17, 2013 4:58 pm

I never really enjoyed the star trek series, even though I like science fiction. I guess the oldfashion images are just such a turn-off compared to the awesome visual effects you get nowadays. I don't really have that problem with star wars.(although I do have to admit I liked the 2009 star trek movie)

+1 star wars better special effects there are :mrgreen:
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby waauw on Fri May 17, 2013 5:00 pm

betiko wrote:all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting... i watched a little the old show from the 60s when I was a kid, but probably because there was nothing else on or just because kids have poor tastes. each time i've seen bits of the next generation I couldn't last 2 minutes... I think it's really really bad.... and the movies... I guess they were all directly distributed on tape and couldn't ve stayed a week in theaters here in europe.

I mean you can't even remotely compare that to star wars. Oh yeah you can, if you refer to the crappy second trilogy (I,II,III) lucas came up with. I can imagine disney will make a great job continuing to cover this saga with cow poop.

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)


Star wars II wasn't all that bad in my opinion... star wars I and III were indeed a dissapointment though :(
and I'm pretty sure a lot of movies can beat "back to the future"
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby betiko on Fri May 17, 2013 6:03 pm

waauw wrote:
betiko wrote:all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting... i watched a little the old show from the 60s when I was a kid, but probably because there was nothing else on or just because kids have poor tastes. each time i've seen bits of the next generation I couldn't last 2 minutes... I think it's really really bad.... and the movies... I guess they were all directly distributed on tape and couldn't ve stayed a week in theaters here in europe.

I mean you can't even remotely compare that to star wars. Oh yeah you can, if you refer to the crappy second trilogy (I,II,III) lucas came up with. I can imagine disney will make a great job continuing to cover this saga with cow poop.

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)


Star wars II wasn't all that bad in my opinion... star wars I and III were indeed a dissapointment though :(
and I'm pretty sure a lot of movies can beat "back to the future"


I mean for the first time you see them and putting them back in the context of their issue! ( otherwise there are tons of sagas that would beat those)
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri May 17, 2013 6:32 pm

Star Wars is utter shite.

Star Trek is okay to pretty good, depending.

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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Fri May 17, 2013 7:07 pm

betiko wrote:all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting... i watched a little the old show from the 60s when I was a kid, but probably because there was nothing else on or just because kids have poor tastes. each time i've seen bits of the next generation I couldn't last 2 minutes... I think it's really really bad.... and the movies... I guess they were all directly distributed on tape and couldn't ve stayed a week in theaters here in europe.

I mean you can't even remotely compare that to star wars. Oh yeah you can, if you refer to the crappy second trilogy (I,II,III) lucas came up with. I can imagine disney will make a great job continuing to cover this saga with cow poop.

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)


Dunno what bits you saw, but Star Trek TNG actually explores some interesting issues. There's episodes regarding the rights of other species and artificial lifeforms vs. humans. There's a shitload of stuff about their "prime directive" i.e. basically interventionism vs. non-interventionism. And much more stuff like that. Granted those are probably only 10-20% of the episodes, but I'd say 70-80% of TNG episodes are better than most star wars stuff. (there are a few atrocious one though).

Haven't watched much of the other Star Trek (other than TOS, but I don't think you can judge that as anything other than a product of its time and circumstance)

Star Wars is just a decent scifi flick with a couple good moments. I'd place it pretty much in the same category as TOS. Maybe it was groundbreaking for its time, but it doesn't stand up today.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby muy_thaiguy on Fri May 17, 2013 10:30 pm

Never got into Star Trek.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby john9blue on Fri May 17, 2013 10:36 pm

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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Lootifer on Fri May 17, 2013 10:43 pm

Both are very bad attempts at science fiction.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:11 am

universalchiro wrote:sure he did well bringing all the old characters back pretty & young


I haven't seen the latest iteration, but f*ck that noise. This whole "different timeline" thing is embarrassing and unnecessary. Should've just went with different names and treated them like a "new next generation".

universalchiro wrote:The other flaw is Khan in the original was olive skinned, deep speaking with a Spanish draw. The new Khan is white skin, higher pitched VII e & doesn't sound the same. You mean to tell me they couldn't get off their butts and find talent that matched the original Khan? That's just lazy casting.


The only talent I thought they've found that was reasonably good for any of the crew members was Scotty. The rest are just faking it poorly.

universalchiro wrote:Star Wars has Jar Jar Binks. +1 point Star Trek....
Star Wars has a death star +1
Let the debate commence. State your opinion of why a movie gets a +1 or -1... I will tally up the votes...


I like them both, actually. I'm probably a bigger fan of Star Trek, but that's likely because I was introduced to Star Trek as a weekly television show rather than as a movie with many years before the next one in the series. That makes it a lot less interesting.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 12:14 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Dunno what bits you saw, but Star Trek TNG actually explores some interesting issues. There's episodes regarding the rights of other species and artificial lifeforms vs. humans. There's a shitload of stuff about their "prime directive" i.e. basically interventionism vs. non-interventionism. And much more stuff like that. Granted those are probably only 10-20% of the episodes, but I'd say 70-80% of TNG episodes are better than most star wars stuff. (there are a few atrocious one though).

Haven't watched much of the other Star Trek (other than TOS, but I don't think you can judge that as anything other than a product of its time and circumstance)


I would suggest that TOS explored at least as many interesting issues as TNG did on a consistency basis, though of course TNG had a much longer run to give it many more interesting episodes and issues with them. I might be biased.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Sat May 18, 2013 2:00 am

Star Trek gets +1 for diversity of characters & ethnicity
Star Wars gets +1 for foundational theme of Force users (Sith Vs Jedi)
Star Trek gets +1 for transporters & "beam me up"
Star Wars gets +1 for light sabres
Star Wars gets +1 for costumes
Star Wars gets +1 for the villian being heros father
Star Trek gets +1 for quoting more Shakespeare novels
Star Trek gets +1 for The Wrath of Khan.
Star Trek gets +1 for Spock
Star Trek gets + for the phrase " are you out of your Volcan Mind?"
Star Wars gets +1 for musical score by John Williams.
Star Wars gets +1 Pod racing.
Star Wars gets +1 Sith's shooting lightning bolts out of their fingers.
Star Wars gets +1 for all the movies run along related story-line.

Star Trek gets -1 for V-ger alien seeking home of V-ger (1st movie)
Star Wars gets -1 Jabba the Hurt, the slithering gangster that has a blue elephant playing keyboard.

Please add to the list. Thank you.
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