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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 2:04 am

universalchiro wrote:Star Trek gets +1 for Spock


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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby waauw on Sat May 18, 2013 3:50 am

john9blue wrote:nerrrrrds :geek:


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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby betiko on Sat May 18, 2013 5:19 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
betiko wrote:all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting... i watched a little the old show from the 60s when I was a kid, but probably because there was nothing else on or just because kids have poor tastes. each time i've seen bits of the next generation I couldn't last 2 minutes... I think it's really really bad.... and the movies... I guess they were all directly distributed on tape and couldn't ve stayed a week in theaters here in europe.

I mean you can't even remotely compare that to star wars. Oh yeah you can, if you refer to the crappy second trilogy (I,II,III) lucas came up with. I can imagine disney will make a great job continuing to cover this saga with cow poop.

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)


Dunno what bits you saw, but Star Trek TNG actually explores some interesting issues. There's episodes regarding the rights of other species and artificial lifeforms vs. humans. There's a shitload of stuff about their "prime directive" i.e. basically interventionism vs. non-interventionism. And much more stuff like that. Granted those are probably only 10-20% of the episodes, but I'd say 70-80% of TNG episodes are better than most star wars stuff. (there are a few atrocious one though).

Haven't watched much of the other Star Trek (other than TOS, but I don't think you can judge that as anything other than a product of its time and circumstance)

Star Wars is just a decent scifi flick with a couple good moments. I'd place it pretty much in the same category as TOS. Maybe it was groundbreaking for its time, but it doesn't stand up today.


I guess it depends on our age I m from 1980, what about you? When I was a kid, all the big brothers were hard core into Star Wars. All the kids had all these cool Star Wars toys, and I was so proud to go watch Star Wars for the 15th time with guys 4-5 years older. I remember I had a babysitter that would just bring Star Wars VHS so he knew I wouldn't be a pain in the ass. I don t know it depends on the age and all, but the music, the toys, the costumes really impressed me at the time.

Regarding Star Trek, the bad acting, the z-movie costumes, special effects, make ups, stages just looked uber ridiculous. No way I could ever take it seriously.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby ooge on Sat May 18, 2013 5:26 am

I am a fan of both,I would probably say I favor Star Trek over Star Wars because the story lines are more in depth and complex to me.If you are a Fan of Star Trek and know its very long existing Story Line,I can not recommend higher that you give "Enterprise" a look.They even have episodes on why the the prime directive came about.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby ooge on Sat May 18, 2013 5:40 am

universalchiro wrote:I just saw the new Star Trek Into the Darkness, really good special effects. Director JJ Abrams did a good job. But I have one glaring beef with him: sure he did well bringing all the old characters back pretty & young, but the amountif copying he did with The Wrath of Khan is a huge let down. Both movies have warp core drive off line. Both have radiation leaks. Both have "the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one". Both have glass shielding the dying from the living. Both have the hand touching the glass. Both have the one saving the ship die. Both have the one who saved the ship resurrected.

Its silly how unoriginal JJ Abrams was.

The other flaw is Khan in the original was olive skinned, deep speaking with a Spanish draw. The new Khan is white skin, higher pitched VII e & doesn't sound the same. You mean to tell me they couldn't get off their butts and find talent that matched the original Khan? That's just lazy casting.

They did do a nice job of introducing Dr. MARCUS, Captain Kirk's mother of his child.


Star Wars has Jar Jar Binks. +1 point Star Trek....
Star Wars has a death star +1

Let the debate commence. State your opinion of why a movie gets a +1 or -1... I will tally up the votes...


Its not easy responding to this because of not wanting to ruin it for others who have not seen it.The story lines being similar is a long standing idea in Sci-FI that yes this is is a alternate future but you still cant avoid experiencing the events you are destined to experience.as for Khan not looking like Ricardo Mountabon,well my best answer is The film makers did not want to give it away that this movie was about Khan,they would not be able to show him in any film trailers and they also changed his name to disguise who he really is.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby waauw on Sat May 18, 2013 5:49 am

betiko wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
betiko wrote:all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting... i watched a little the old show from the 60s when I was a kid, but probably because there was nothing else on or just because kids have poor tastes. each time i've seen bits of the next generation I couldn't last 2 minutes... I think it's really really bad.... and the movies... I guess they were all directly distributed on tape and couldn't ve stayed a week in theaters here in europe.

I mean you can't even remotely compare that to star wars. Oh yeah you can, if you refer to the crappy second trilogy (I,II,III) lucas came up with. I can imagine disney will make a great job continuing to cover this saga with cow poop.

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)


Dunno what bits you saw, but Star Trek TNG actually explores some interesting issues. There's episodes regarding the rights of other species and artificial lifeforms vs. humans. There's a shitload of stuff about their "prime directive" i.e. basically interventionism vs. non-interventionism. And much more stuff like that. Granted those are probably only 10-20% of the episodes, but I'd say 70-80% of TNG episodes are better than most star wars stuff. (there are a few atrocious one though).

Haven't watched much of the other Star Trek (other than TOS, but I don't think you can judge that as anything other than a product of its time and circumstance)

Star Wars is just a decent scifi flick with a couple good moments. I'd place it pretty much in the same category as TOS. Maybe it was groundbreaking for its time, but it doesn't stand up today.


I guess it depends on our age I m from 1980, what about you? When I was a kid, all the big brothers were hard core into Star Wars. All the kids had all these cool Star Wars toys, and I was so proud to go watch Star Wars for the 15th time with guys 4-5 years older. I remember I had a babysitter that would just bring Star Wars VHS so he knew I wouldn't be a pain in the ass. I don t know it depends on the age and all, but the music, the toys, the costumes really impressed me at the time.

Regarding Star Trek, the bad acting, the z-movie costumes, special effects, make ups, stages just looked uber ridiculous. No way I could ever take it seriously.


you're probably right. I'm a 90's kid and I prefer the Stargate-series, probably because I grew up with it.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Woodruff on Sat May 18, 2013 11:24 am

waauw wrote:you're probably right. I'm a 90's kid and I prefer the Stargate-series, probably because I grew up with it.


Stargate was pretty decent, up until Daniel "ascended" or whatever the hell he did. Then it started getting a little stupid.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby tzor on Sat May 18, 2013 4:10 pm

Woodruff wrote:I would suggest that TOS explored at least as many interesting issues as TNG did on a consistency basis, though of course TNG had a much longer run to give it many more interesting episodes and issues with them. I might be biased.


I agree and raise you one point; it is said that Star Trek made "All in the Family" possible. There were a lot of issues that television was literally prohibited from discussing. Star Trek had the first inter racial kiss on TV (Plato's Stepchildren) and addressed the stupidity of racial divides in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" where the person who is black on the right side and white on the left side battles the person who is black on the left side and white on the right side. While the Roddenberry dream was always important, current topics generally drove the episodes.

I found that when you got to TNG, Roddenberry's dream was the overriding plot line. (You could really see this in the first episodes, in spite of the greatest sci fi promotional blunder in all of sci fi history ... kids in space.) You can see a radical change start to happen around the season (or perhaps the season after that) after the death of the "Great Bird of the Galaxy'."

One other point to make; the standards for TV during TOS was horridly low. The pilot was considered "too cerebral" on it's first showing to the network and it's so bad it deserves it's own MST3K remake.

Of course the first episode (then expanded into a "tri-trillogy" and then into a bi-trillogy when they could not stretch the original plot line far enough) has no redeemable value; it's an serial action movie.

You have to look into the history of network sci fi television series. They would include the original Battlestar Galactica, Seaquest DS9 (which started out by the cast saying "we're going to be pure science fiction, not crappy science fantasy and then threw in psionics and space aliens) and finally the great mega plot of Babylon V.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat May 18, 2013 4:23 pm

Tzor what do you mean about the kids in space as a blunder?
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby tzor on Sat May 18, 2013 9:16 pm

I'm mostly going back on my old memories here; this isn't the kind of stuff they put into Wikipedia generally.

There are a couple of odd things in the first few episodes, especially the Picard being uncomfortable with children plotline. Episode 5 where the captain is stuck in the elevator with three children is one example. I think there was another one where at the end a whole bunch of children were on the bridge.

Around the showing of the pilot there was this "contest" for children where the winners would appear on an episode. The notion of making such "kid" contests seemed radically un Star Trek like, at the time, to me.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Sun May 19, 2013 10:42 pm

john9blue wrote:nerrrrrds :geek:

Thank you :ugeek:
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Sun May 19, 2013 11:56 pm

Woodruff wrote:
universalchiro wrote:Star Trek gets +1 for Spock


You...you I like.


Agreed Star Trek +1 for Spock. He is a great character.

Star Wars gets +1 for ship diversity. From Tie-fighters to X-wing. Very creative.

Star Trek gets +1 for each notable quote:
"Beam me up Scotty"
"He tasks me, he tasks me...."
Star Wars gets +1 for each notable quote:
"Luke, I am your father"
"May the Force be with you"
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Symmetry on Mon May 20, 2013 8:25 am

I like 3/7 of the Star Wars movies. Almost everything else associated with it has been terrible, apart from the Clone Wars cartoon that Genndy Tartakovsky did.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Crazyirishman on Mon May 20, 2013 2:47 pm

I like Star Wars better because the KoTR and Battlefront video games were badass.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby thegreekdog on Mon May 20, 2013 3:21 pm

I will refrain from responding as I just signed Mets's petition against using ad hominems.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Mon May 20, 2013 4:54 pm

Symmetry wrote:I like 3/7 of the Star Wars movies. Almost everything else associated with it has been terrible, apart from the Clone Wars cartoon that Genndy Tartakovsky did.


The animated Clone Wars is a worthy watch. (Worth +1) And fills in a lot of details missed between Episodes 2-3. Does Star Trek?

What in Star Wars Episodes 3 & 7 that stood out for you to select them as best?
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby waauw on Mon May 20, 2013 4:56 pm

universalchiro wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I like 3/7 of the Star Wars movies. Almost everything else associated with it has been terrible, apart from the Clone Wars cartoon that Genndy Tartakovsky did.


The animated Clone Wars is a worthy watch. (Worth +1) And fills in a lot of details missed between Episodes 2-3. Does Star Trek?

What in Star Wars Episodes 3 & 7 that stood out for you to select them as best?


I'm sorry but going from a real movie to a cartoon is such a turn-off
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby universalchiro on Mon May 20, 2013 5:03 pm

waauw wrote:I never really enjoyed the star trek series, even though I like science fiction. I guess the oldfashion images are just such a turn-off compared to the awesome visual effects you get nowadays. I don't really have that problem with star wars.(although I do have to admit I liked the 2009 star trek movie)

+1 star wars better special effects there are :mrgreen:

I see your point. But this was based on current technology available for the producer & director. Ie compare the new Star Treks with the original Star Wars "New Hope, Episode IV".

Yet still, your point is conceded, for when the Millennium Falcon jumped into lights speed and the stars zipped by & twirled, that was so ground breaking, original & cutting. This equals:
Star Wars +1 special effects.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby thegreekdog on Mon May 20, 2013 5:10 pm

My list:

The Empire Strikes Back
The expanded Star Wars universe (books)
Star Trek: TNG
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Star Trek movies (original and new - I lump them together, but not the TNG movies)

I lump the rest in the category: I didn't like them. I never liked the original Star Trek. I was okay with Deep Space Nine, I suppose. And the prequels were disappointing at best.

One thing of note is that I thought TNG is and was a great television show but it did not translate well into the theaters, unfortunately.

One other thing to note, if TNG was never aired, Star Wars would win hands down as having the best stories and characters. TNG saves Star Trek from being relegated to a non-discussion for me.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Woodruff on Mon May 20, 2013 6:40 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I will refrain from responding as I just signed Mets's petition against using ad hominems.


I find your lack of faith...<breathe>...disturbing.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby AAFitz on Mon May 20, 2013 8:27 pm

Just saw it last night myself, and I wouldnt call it copying per se, Id call it paying homage to the best Star trek movie of all time. I like what they did with the story. It was awesome knowing the lines occasionally, and simultaneously not knowing what was going to happen next.

He even went so far as to hire the actor that played Khan and directed him to overact, in the spirit of Shatner....I presume. He really was a better actor when he wasnt talking.

If I had any complaint, and its a silly one, its that Carol Marcus was absolutely far too Beautiful. So much so that it was actually distracting. Maybe it was the 3d, but its a damn Star trek movie with trekkies going to it....seriously, I think they overshot....much like the trekkies no doubt
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby AAFitz on Mon May 20, 2013 8:33 pm

universalchiro wrote:Star Wars gets +1 for musical score by John Williams..


...adapted by John Williams....he did a nice job changing some classical music, but he didnt create most of it.
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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 20, 2013 8:37 pm

Star Trek blows.

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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby AAFitz on Mon May 20, 2013 8:42 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Star Trek blows.


So you prefer an overall magical universe with an superpowers run by an evil empire, over an overall culturely diverse, scientifically based one.

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Re: Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Postby stahrgazer on Mon May 20, 2013 8:59 pm

betiko wrote:all i know is that i never understood how people could find star trek remotely interesting...

If you wre a kid in the 80s, nothing can beat star wars, indiana jones & back to the future! :D (maybe james bond can)


If you'd been a kid in the 60s, you'd understand that Star Trek began the trend toward scifi tv. You'd realize that grocery stores didn't have automated doors but Gene Roddenberry thought them up for the Enterprise. You'd remember decades of wondering just how that "communicator" operated, and you'd vividly realize that once again, if it weren't for Gene Roddenberry's imagination, "cell phones" may not exist (because the original cellphone inventors were trying to create what Roddenberry had imagined.)

If you'd been a kid in the 60s, you'd remember that "black folk" didn't really associate with "white folk" on screen, and if you were an avid Star Trek fan, you'd know that Roddenberry had to fight hard to keep Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) on deck, and the censors nearly blocked out the episode where she kissed a white guy.

You'd know, as well, that Roddenberry originally imagined a woman second in command, but he couldn't get that by the network. They didn't want "Spock" either, so Roddenberry had to choose his fight. His woman second in command became Nurse Chapel (and he later married her) but the "alien" stayed.

You'd realize how many social issues that existed back then were explored to humankind's benefit on the USS Enterprise.

You'd also realize that if it hadn't been for "Star Trek," then "Star Wars" would probably never have arrived. Star Trek, after all, made "alien" be "normal." "Star Wars" made "normal aliens" be "fun."

Plus, Star Trek started the trend toward "visual effects." They may not be very "good" compared with Star Wars, but they started it.

So, if you had been a kid in the 60s, you'd understand very well why Star Trek was far, far more than "remotely" interesting.

So, in the end, Star Trek gets my vote for being the innovator that all other acts had to follow and improve on.
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