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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:21 am

Dukasaur wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Snowden denies he provided or lost any information to the Chinese or Russians:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/10/snowden-denies-information-russia-china

Interesting article. Especially this passage:
The extraordinary claim that China had drained the contents of Snowden's laptops first appeared in the New York Times in a June 24 article. The paper published the claim with no evidence and without any attribution to any identified sources.

In lieu of any evidence, the NYT circulated this obviously significant assertion by quoting what it called "two Western intelligence experts" who "worked for major government spy agencies". Those "experts" were not identified. The article then stated that these experts "said they believed that the Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of the four laptops that Mr. Snowden said he brought to Hong Kong" (emphasis added).

So that's how this "China-drained-his-laptops" claim was created: by the New York Times citing two anonymous sources saying they "believed" this happened. From there, it predictably spread everywhere as truth.


Once again, America's "independent media" is sucking up the government's line like a pack of starving hounds at a puddle of blood. The same "independent media" that swallowed the Warren Commission report hook, line, and sinker. The same "independent media" that parroted all the BS stories about Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" and are now desperately pretending that it wasn't them.


Exactly.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:08 pm

wow still talking about this,unreal,if you all think he is a hero,the leave the usa,move to cuba or china
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:28 pm

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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:37 pm

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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:59 pm

karel wrote:wow still talking about this,unreal,if you all think he is a hero,the leave the usa,move to cuba or china


Yet again, I'm not sure anyone here is calling him a hero. I'm not. I am coming to believe even more strongly that he IS a patriot, however.

I'm quite confused by your assertion that my opinion means I should leave the USA though. Aside from my 23 years in the military defending this nation, I would have thought that someone crying so loudly about "AMERICA!!!!" would believe in the freedom to hold an opinion. I guess you don't believe in American ideals or the Constitution?
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:01 pm

karel wrote:wow still talking about this,unreal,if you all think he is a hero,the leave the usa,move to cuba or china

When you've got a nice dictatorship at home, why would you go to all the hassle and expense of moving to a different one?
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:02 pm

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karel wrote:wow still talking about this,unreal,if you all think he is a hero,the leave the usa,move to cuba or china

When you've got a nice dictatorship at home, why would you go to all the hassle and expense of moving to a different one?



we do really,umm did not know that,wow were are you from,russia?,cuz if so you should be use to that
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:04 pm

karel wrote:
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karel wrote:wow still talking about this,unreal,if you all think he is a hero,the leave the usa,move to cuba or china

When you've got a nice dictatorship at home, why would you go to all the hassle and expense of moving to a different one?



we do really,umm did not know that,wow were are you from,russia?,cuz if so you should be use to that

Yeah, actually I am from a land that was formerly under Russian occupation, thank you. And yes, I know quite a bit about these things, thank you very much.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:06 pm

karel wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
karel wrote:wow still talking about this,unreal,if you all think he is a hero,the leave the usa,move to cuba or china

When you've got a nice dictatorship at home, why would you go to all the hassle and expense of moving to a different one?


we do really,umm did not know that,wow were are you from,russia?,cuz if so you should be use to that


Have a gander at this and see if you still don't think we're headed that direction:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-tirman/nsa-deep-state_b_3569316.html
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:19 pm

no im not going to look at it,its pretty much simple,nsa doing there jobs,dont see no point to click on link,and i hope this duche bag dies in a plane crash and fries to death,he gets everything coming to him
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:20 pm

karel wrote:no im not going to look at it,its pretty much simple,nsa doing there jobs,dont see no point to click on link,and i hope this duche bag dies in a plane crash and fries to death,he gets everything coming to him


I've never taken you for someone who prefers not to know the truth. I always thought you were a good American, a patriot. It saddens me to see that you are nothing more than a bully.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:34 pm

karel wrote:
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How much truth did you suck?
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:52 pm

well looks like you sure in the f*ck dont understand it...maybe we should call of of you a traitor for supporting this dickbag
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:27 pm

karel wrote:well looks like you sure in the f*ck dont understand it...maybe we should call of of you a traitor for supporting this dickbag


Given that you're clearly not interested in actually educating yourself on the subject at all, it doesn't matter at all what you call me, as whatever you choose will almost of necessity be inaccurate.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:34 pm

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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby rishaed on Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:03 pm

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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby patches70 on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:03 pm

karel wrote:well looks like you sure in the f*ck dont understand it...maybe we should call of of you a traitor for supporting this dickbag





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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:06 pm

well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby rishaed on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:10 pm

karel wrote:well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried

You are currently the governments dream citizen right now. :!:
Smart enough to do your job, ignorant (by choice i guess) to trust the government even when you shouldn't :roll:
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:00 am

karel wrote:well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried


I'd be more concerned about dying from inclement weather than I'm concerned about being killed by terrorists. They're a non-entity. After a quick search online I found out that 17 Americans died worldwide in 2011 as a result of terrorism. All 17 of them occurred in the Middle East. Don't get me wrong, every death is a tragedy, but it seems to me the best way to prevent this is to get the f*ck out of the Middle East.

The truth is that the perpetrators of 9/11 exploited holes in airline security that don't exist any more. They never had the resources to destroy a building on their own and they had to hijack someone else's technology to do it. Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed and forgive me if I'm more concerned by blatant violations of the Constitution than by modern day's boogeyman equivalent of Communists.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby patches70 on Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:56 am

karel wrote:well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried


When did we get so afraid? This is puzzling to me, to be so fearful to allow the government to take our privacy, our liberty, and for what?

I don't know about the rest of my countrymen, but I don't live in fear. I'd much rather live in freedom and privacy and I'll just take my chances against the tuurrriisstss. I'm willing to bet I won't ever be killed in a terrorist attack, but my chances of getting shot by some itchy fingered thug of a cop are quite a bit higher.

Afraid of people living in caves and mud huts. Go figure. Just gimme a call if you ever need me to come over and squash that teeny tiny spider that's scaring the crap out of you. Or a mouse or any other little critter that might scare you as well.


frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:25 pm

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frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!


No joke. If the government is really interested in protecting American lives they should camp the army out here.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:27 pm

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frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!


No joke. If the government is really interested in protecting American lives they should camp the army out here.


What's Ditka doing these days? He oughta be able to handle a tiny mishap like that.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:33 pm

Woodruff wrote:
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frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!


No joke. If the government is really interested in protecting American lives they should camp the army out here.


What's Ditka doing these days? He oughta be able to handle a tiny mishap like that.


Those gang bangers won't know what happened when they get hit by Hurricane Ditka.
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