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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:34 pm

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Re: He's called a "traitor"

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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby patches70 on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:03 pm

karel wrote:well looks like you sure in the f*ck dont understand it...maybe we should call of of you a traitor for supporting this dickbag





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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby karel on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:06 pm

well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby rishaed on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:10 pm

karel wrote:well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried

You are currently the governments dream citizen right now. :!:
Smart enough to do your job, ignorant (by choice i guess) to trust the government even when you shouldn't :roll:
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:00 am

karel wrote:well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried


I'd be more concerned about dying from inclement weather than I'm concerned about being killed by terrorists. They're a non-entity. After a quick search online I found out that 17 Americans died worldwide in 2011 as a result of terrorism. All 17 of them occurred in the Middle East. Don't get me wrong, every death is a tragedy, but it seems to me the best way to prevent this is to get the f*ck out of the Middle East.

The truth is that the perpetrators of 9/11 exploited holes in airline security that don't exist any more. They never had the resources to destroy a building on their own and they had to hijack someone else's technology to do it. Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed and forgive me if I'm more concerned by blatant violations of the Constitution than by modern day's boogeyman equivalent of Communists.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby patches70 on Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:56 am

karel wrote:well all i have to say is when ur city gets blown up,then you will be wishing they did them taps........o'well good luck.......try not to get fried


When did we get so afraid? This is puzzling to me, to be so fearful to allow the government to take our privacy, our liberty, and for what?

I don't know about the rest of my countrymen, but I don't live in fear. I'd much rather live in freedom and privacy and I'll just take my chances against the tuurrriisstss. I'm willing to bet I won't ever be killed in a terrorist attack, but my chances of getting shot by some itchy fingered thug of a cop are quite a bit higher.

Afraid of people living in caves and mud huts. Go figure. Just gimme a call if you ever need me to come over and squash that teeny tiny spider that's scaring the crap out of you. Or a mouse or any other little critter that might scare you as well.


frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:25 pm

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frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!


No joke. If the government is really interested in protecting American lives they should camp the army out here.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Frigidus wrote:
patches70 wrote:
frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!


No joke. If the government is really interested in protecting American lives they should camp the army out here.


What's Ditka doing these days? He oughta be able to handle a tiny mishap like that.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:33 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
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frigidus wrote:Forgive me if I don't shit my pants over Chicago being destroyed


Hahah! We don't have to worry about terrorists destroying Chicago, Chicagians are doing pretty good destroying Chicago all on their own!


No joke. If the government is really interested in protecting American lives they should camp the army out here.


What's Ditka doing these days? He oughta be able to handle a tiny mishap like that.


Those gang bangers won't know what happened when they get hit by Hurricane Ditka.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:58 pm

http://rt.com/news/un-chief-snowden-protection-048/
In her first reference to whistleblower Edward Snowden’s case, UN Human Rights Chief Navi Pillay has called on all countries to protect the rights of those who uncover abuses and stressed the need to respect the right for people to seek asylum.

Commenting on the fugitive former US intelligence contractor, who is presently wanted by the US for leaking classified details of its surveillance programs, Pillay noted that undue surveillance could amount to an infringement of human rights.

“National legal systems must ensure that there are adequate avenues for individuals disclosing violations of human rights to express their concern without fear of reprisals," said Pillay.

"Snowden's case has shown the need to protect persons disclosing information on matters that have implications for human rights, as well as the importance of ensuring respect for the right to privacy,” she added.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Frigidus on Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:24 pm

I haven't really seen much mention of this, but how do the non-Americans of the forum feel about their governments refusing Snowden use of their airspace to reach countries offering him asylum?
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:09 pm

"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:11 pm

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To be fair, I nearly vomitted when I saw the folks in this video. Fucking pandering morons.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:13 pm

just throwin it out there

Curious, has anyone changed their mind a bit about Snowden? Now that his leaks are coming out
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:33 pm

patches70 wrote:
karel wrote:well looks like you sure in the f*ck dont understand it...maybe we should call of of you a traitor for supporting this dickbag





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I couldn't find this on the internet, so I had it scanned out of my grandpa's school history books, but these guys made it to the other side.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:57 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:


To be fair, I nearly vomitted when I saw the folks in this video. Fucking pandering morons.


Hm? What's wrong with it?

They're pandering to people in order to persuade them to care about something the government is doing, so... how's that moronic? I don't get your outrage here.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby mrswdk on Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:17 am

If she says Snowden I'm gonna kill myself. #pokepun
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:10 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
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To be fair, I nearly vomitted when I saw the folks in this video. Fucking pandering morons.


Hm? What's wrong with it?

They're pandering to people in order to persuade them to care about something the government is doing, so... how's that moronic? I don't get your outrage here.


All the people in this video have supported and continue to support our current president (with the exception of Oliver Stone) who is in charge of the entity they are lambasting. So, again, hypocrisy. The president was not mentioned once. Towards the end I was sort of hoping Ron Paul would make a guest appearance.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:48 pm

Ohh, never knew that. Well then, if that's true, then they are certainly fucking pandering morons.

Ahh, feels good to type that out too.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:12 pm

patches70 wrote:John Boehner called NSA leaker Edward Snowden a “traitor”. But is that accurate?

In the United States treason is specifically named and described in the Constitution, the only crime thus defined in the Constitution. It reads like this-

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

To be guilty of treason one must be a citizen and be levying war against the US or giving aid to her enemies.

Snowden gave classified information to the press. Is the press our enemy? Are they waging war against the US?

Snowden isn't guilty of treason, not even close. Sedition, espionage, passing classified information, a case can certainly be made for that, but not treason.

It's funny, though, Snowden may be guilty of sedition (which is defined in part as subversion of a constitution) but what the NSA has been doing is also a subversion of the constitution and thus are equally guilty of subversion as is any and all who subvert the US Constitution. If we want to get technical.

So, do you think this Snowden fellow is a traitor?


Snowden's leaks have detailed exactly what kinds of encryption programs the US government can and cannot crack. This includes a list of companies that have created hidden backdoors in their encryption programs that would allow US and foriegn intelligence agencies to read secretive files or messages if they need to.
He's also relieved where our black budget is spent, and in what amount, which is also a serious concern to national security.

Upon learning this fact of the case I've changed my mind, because teaching our enemies our weaknesses and how to defeat us is treason, and thus Snowden is a traitor.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby mrswdk on Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:57 pm

How could that information be used to harm the US?
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:51 pm

Is that a real question?
Foreign and domestic terrorists now know exactly which kinds of encryption our government cannot break. They can use unbreakable message coding and have 100% faith that America cannot read those messages.

Hostile governments and terrorists now know exactly where the CIA or NSA is spending their budgets. It's like playing a game of Battleship and knowing where the other player is going to post their pegs before the game starts.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby mrswdk on Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:20 am

I don't think it takes Snowden to show that unbreakable coding is a safe means of communicating. Anyhoo, proving that Outlook and Gmail are susceptible is not the same as providing terrorists a list of safe methods of communication. It just tells them not to use Gmail when talking about top secret massacre plans, and that's something I would have thought they'd know not to do anyway.

I hardly think it's a fair analogy to say that Al Qaeda and the US are about to play Battleships and Al Qaeda have the advantage of knowing where all America's ships are. If it were truly like then we would all be preparing for the imminent destruction of America. But we're not.
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Re: He's called a "traitor"

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:07 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
patches70 wrote:John Boehner called NSA leaker Edward Snowden a “traitor”. But is that accurate?

In the United States treason is specifically named and described in the Constitution, the only crime thus defined in the Constitution. It reads like this-

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

To be guilty of treason one must be a citizen and be levying war against the US or giving aid to her enemies.

Snowden gave classified information to the press. Is the press our enemy? Are they waging war against the US?

Snowden isn't guilty of treason, not even close. Sedition, espionage, passing classified information, a case can certainly be made for that, but not treason.

It's funny, though, Snowden may be guilty of sedition (which is defined in part as subversion of a constitution) but what the NSA has been doing is also a subversion of the constitution and thus are equally guilty of subversion as is any and all who subvert the US Constitution. If we want to get technical.

So, do you think this Snowden fellow is a traitor?


Snowden's leaks have detailed exactly what kinds of encryption programs the US government can and cannot crack. This includes a list of companies that have created hidden backdoors in their encryption programs that would allow US and foriegn intelligence agencies to read secretive files or messages if they need to.
He's also relieved where our black budget is spent, and in what amount, which is also a serious concern to national security.

Upon learning this fact of the case I've changed my mind, because teaching our enemies our weaknesses and how to defeat us is treason, and thus Snowden is a traitor.


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