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Do you feel safe in a plane?

1). Yes I feel completely safe in our high tech modern planes flying a mile(s) high in the sky.
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2). No I don't feel safe in a plane and always wear my depends undergarments when flying just in case "the shit, should hit the fans."
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3). The Captain, Fat People and Old People alike, should go down with the plane in case of a water landing.
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Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby Viceroy63 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:08 am

http://money.msn.com/money-video/defaul ... elevancy#2

MSN Reported yesterday about how 'air safety' is much better today due to the stronger seats and easy to open doors then in the past. (The Emergency Exits are so easy to open, that they practically open up by themselves. lol.) They forgot to mention that they do not allow fat or old people to sit next the the emergency exits. When was the last time you saw a fat person potentially blocking the exit for everyone else? Obvious discrimination as their lives are not worth as much as everyone else. But that is for another thread.

This thread is about Why it is being emphasized that air safety is up amidst continual crashes all the time in the first place, and what prompted that topic discussion...


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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:12 am

Do you trust anything with science-based evidence, viceroy?


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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby crispybits on Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:07 am

Plane carrying over 300 people crashes and is engulfed in fire, only 2 people die. Considering the other potential outcomes I'd say the safety measures in place for the immediate aftermath of incidents like these did a fairly decent job.
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Postby Army of GOD on Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:13 am

Every time I fly in a plane, I know how safe it is, but I always fully expect it to explode during take off.
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Postby Nobunaga on Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:14 am

Many millions fly every day. 99.999% (just made that number up, but I'm sure it's close) arrive safely where they're going.

My personal opinion is that a passenger in a plane has zero control over anything - just along for the ride. This adds to the fear factor. Driving one's own car, one is in control of one's own vehicle - at least for me it feels safer... though all the idiots on the highway greatly increase the risk of my dying.
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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:15 pm

Nobunaga wrote:Many millions fly every day. 99.999% (just made that number up, but I'm sure it's close) arrive safely where they're going.

My personal opinion is that a passenger in a plane has zero control over anything - just along for the ride. This adds to the fear factor. Driving one's own car, one is in control of one's own vehicle - at least for me it feels safer... though all the idiots on the highway greatly increase the risk of my dying.


I've made that same sort of comparison...when someone asked about CC Dice once!

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AndyDufresne wrote:I wonder if it this all can be boiled down to the 'Airplane vs Motorcar' analogy. Opinion Polls and studies have found that though you are more likely to be fatally injured in a Motorcar accident, that more people are still wary of Airplane flying. It has usually been described that because the driver of a Motorcar has a 'direct communication' link with the vehicle (I.E. they can actually manipulate the outcomes based on their physical inputs), that this direct communication linkage gives them more of a feeling of control/responsibility.

Thus, if you do get into an accident, you can blame your car, but more often than not it was driver error that either caused the accident or made it worse. Airplane flying---because it lacks that 'direct communication' link since passengers have no control over the outcomes of any situation a pilot may encounter---makes those passengers feel less safe for simply 'going along for the ride.'

So to wander back to Conquer Club, digital rolling probably feels more like a passenger 'going along for the ride,' while physical rolling (and thus how many believe it is better/more random) probably feels more like driving a Motorcar---if you get bad rolls, you can really only blame your physical self.



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Postby oVo on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:11 pm

If you live in the United States there are better odds of
being struck and killed by a drunk driver than crashing
in a commercial airplane.

Just to be safe you should probably park your car and walk.
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Postby Frigidus on Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:17 pm

It's widely known that traveling by plane is safer than traveling by car. That said, am I alone in really wanting to hear Viceroy's opinion on this?
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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:02 pm

A+ on another great thread, Viceroy.

Viceroy wrote:They forgot to mention that they do not allow fat or old people to sit next the the emergency exits. When was the last time you saw a fat person potentially blocking the exit for everyone else? Obvious discrimination as their lives are not worth as much as everyone else.


They don't let fatties or antiques sit next to the emergency exits because they'll block the escape route. This is not unreasonable.

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Postby rishaed on Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:57 pm

Its the same reason that you wouldn't want a four year old next to the emergency exit. A. You have to be able to follow instructions. B. you have to be physically able to follow those instructions.
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Postby Viceroy63 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:25 am

Four pilots in the cockpit and one of them is like a master pilot (Check Captain), a teacher/instructor of pilots, and the plane still crashes due to human error. What more needs be said?

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Postby Woodruff on Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:03 am

Viceroy63 wrote:Four pilots in the cockpit and one of them is like a master pilot (Check Captain), a teacher/instructor of pilots, and the plane still crashes due to human error. What more needs be said?


You mean humans are humans and not infallable? You mean to tell me that equipment can fail? <gasp>
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Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:18 am

Viceroy63 wrote: What more needs be said?

A question for the ages.


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Postby 2dimes on Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:28 am

I'm not going to get too far into this but, there is a growing problem with automating airplanes to hire less expensive pilots, that don't fly the plane enough to continue to be competent, if they were in the first place.

The captain going down is strictly for boats.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:59 am

2dimes wrote:I'm not going to get too far into this but, there is a growing problem with automating airplanes to hire less expensive pilots, that don't fly the plane enough to continue to be competent, if they were in the first place.

The captain going down is strictly for boats.

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