Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

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Do you feel safe in a plane?

1). Yes I feel completely safe in our high tech modern planes flying a mile(s) high in the sky.
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2). No I don't feel safe in a plane and always wear my depends undergarments when flying just in case "the shit, should hit the fans."
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3). The Captain, Fat People and Old People alike, should go down with the plane in case of a water landing.
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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:22 am

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Postby 2dimes on Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:41 pm

The basics are. Guys like me fly little planes no auto pilot. In Canada and the US&A you need to do this to even get a license or certificate. As you get to larger more complex aircraft they need more things done. In the old days you might have two pilots a navigator and an engineer. All those guys made a fair wage, that is part of why it was so expensive to fly then.

The manufactures started making systems automated. A big one in the 1990s being the US military's satellite navigation system. Global positioning.

That's right folks the mean old US military complex is responsible for your android phone being able to tell you where you are anywhere in the world within feet.

You could in theory fly an A-380 by yourself. The main reasons they continue to have two guys is in case one croaks and because on occasion one will need to talk on the radio while the other monitors or operates systems.

Yes planes have auto land also. Many airports don't have systems certified for that though. A hard landing might actually have been automated. The smoothest landings you've experienced were performed by a person. Nearly all large planes can fly the approach until the plane is set up to land at any airport, leaving the final touchdown to a person because it is so complex that is still cost effective.

Anyone in Europe probably knows about Ryan Air. The model for learning to be an airline pilot outside of North America is to become a company cadet. This is so you owe the company money instead of the bank for your training.

In North America you typically go to flight school get trained then get progressively better jobs until you are hopefully out of debt and at a job you love. The benefit being you have flown a lot before you get in the automation situation. That problem being you feel valuable and don't want to fly for low wages anymore.

Either way you only fly some landings and take offs per flight. Most of the time computers fly and you are there to look for anomalies. A few commercial pilots on a forum I go to have wrote that, SFO is not only busy but they will set you up for a difficult approach over water which can be deceiving and many are suggesting the pilot was embarrassed to admit he was in over his head.

So much for, "I don't want to get too far into this..."
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Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:05 pm

2dimes wrote:
Yes planes have auto land also. Many airports don't have systems certified for that though. A hard landing might actually have been automated. The smoothest landings you've experienced were performed by a person. Nearly all large planes can fly the approach until the plane is set up to land at any airport, leaving the final touchdown to a person because it is so complex that is still cost effective.


Last I checked, only 2 runways in Canada were Cat III approved. 6L at Pearson and one over at Vancouver.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:07 pm

Yes.
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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:27 pm

OMG! I just found a video that proves planes aren't safe at all:

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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby Lootifer on Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:38 pm

I wonder if whay Viceroy suffers from has a name?

Auto-delusion disorder?
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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby tzor on Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:50 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:This thread is about Why it is being emphasized that air safety is up amidst continual crashes all the time in the first place, and what prompted that topic discussion...


First of all, I object to the poll. Everyone knows that takeoffs and landings are the highest chances an accident will occur, not when you are a mile up in the sky. :twisted:

Second of all, let's look at the recent case of pilot error; two people died. How many people die in bus crashes? How many people die in train crashes? How many people die in car crashes?

How many people get shot in Chicago ... oh wait, let me Google that ...
The Windy City reached a grim milestone over the long Fourth of July weekend as the city's homicide rate surpassed 200.

The city logged its 200th homicide of the year on Saturday when a 24-year-old man was shot to death in the 1000 block of West Maxwell Street on the Near West Side, according to RedEye Chicago.

On Saturday alone, at least seven people were injured in a single drive-by shooting that left a 48-year-old man dead. The Sun-Times reports police believe the 6 p.m. shooting in Lawndale was gang-related and connected to an earlier attack on July 4.


And you are worried because of one foreign airline? Where the pilot crashed the plane at landing and only two people died? We are not taking Hindenburg or Titanic here.

So, yes, I feel very safe in a plane.
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Re: Air Traffic Safety. Are you really Safer in a plane?

Postby notyou2 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:32 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:Four pilots in the cockpit and one of them is like a master pilot (Check Captain), a teacher/instructor of pilots, and the plane still crashes due to human error. What more needs be said?

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex


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