[Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

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[Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:51 am

Yahoo News wrote:Commuting is a way of life for most Bay Area residents. Many people are accustomed to an hour commute each way without traffic. Some people even commute to Southern California several times a month, spending several hours each way either in the car or fighting through airports. What if there was an alternative to flights and car rides? If it was up to Tesla CEO Elon Musk and a Colorado company, an answer could come sooner than we think.

Hyperloop System

Musk, the man behind both Tesla Motors and SpaceX, has spoken about a high-speed transportation system known as the Hyperloop, a tube transport system that would allow passengers to travel at high speeds. The proposed system could reduce trips between San Francisco and Los Angeles to minutes, and reaching the East Coast from California could take under an hour. Crazy as it seems, the company ET3, based out of Longmont, Colorado, has already been hard at work making this a reality, calling their project the Evacuated Tube Transport.

How Does It Work?

The Hyperloop has been vaguely described by Musk as a "cross between a Concorde, a rail gun, and an air hockey table." A better description might be an elevated tube system with a magnetic levitation system similar to high-speed bullet trains. The kicker would be the enclosed tube, which would provide a nearly friction-less surface for individual capsules to travel in.

ET3's Hyperloop-like project already has a number of schematics and plans already in place. They claim an automobile-sized, six-passenger capsule constructed for "outer space" travel conditions could easily reach speeds of 4,000 miles per hour on longer journeys across the country or across continents. In theory, this elevated tube system could be built for a tenth of the cost of high-speed rail and a quarter the cost of a freeway. The projected cost for a passenger to travel from Los Angeles to New York is $100.

The tubes could be connected to form a new superhighway across the United States. They could go underwater and connect to Alaska, Hawaii, and the rest of the world. ET3 has already built mock-ups and prototypes and is planning a 3-mile test run by the end of 2013.

Expanding on Older Ideas

Despite the ingenuity of the idea, it isn't actually that new. In 1972, a paper written by physicist R.M Salter described a tube system known as the Very High Speed Transit System (VHST) that could send people across the United States in under an hour. The system was composed of a series of underground tubes arranged in a network across the country. While several technical problems existed with the idea at the time, Salter also concluded, "The general principles are fairly straightforward: electromagnetically levitated and propelled cars in an evacuated tunnel." The one primary difference between Salter's plan and ET3's is that the VHST would need to be underground, with massive amounts of excavation required.

If the Hyperloop or Evacuated Tube Transport was built and succeeded, it could make California's current high-speed rail project obsolete. With a budgeted cost of $70 billion, the high-speed system currently under development would take passengers from San Francisco to L.A. in three hours, potentially six times slower than the Hyperloop.


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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby notyou2 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:38 pm

Tubetrip!!!!!!
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby betiko on Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:48 pm

Is it me or there was a james bond where roger moore went to the kremlin through a similar tube system?
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby tzor on Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:03 pm

OMG. Praise be to the great bird of the galaxy!

Back in 1973, the "Great Bird of The Galaxy" (as I believe George Takei once called him) Gene Roddenberry, created a pilot called Genesis II. In it the earth had such a system underground, although he got the speeds of the units wrong by, apparently, orders of magnitude.

An elaborate "Subshuttle" subterranean rapid transit system was constructed during the 1970s, due to the vulnerability of air transportation to attack. The Subshuttles utilized a magnetic levitation rail system. They operated inside vactrain tunnels and ran at hundreds of miles per hour. The tunnel network was comprehensive enough to cover the entire globe. The PAX organization inherited the still-working system and used it to dispatch their teams of troubleshooters.


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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:13 pm

I believe London had a vacuum train back in the 19th century, which ultimately failed due to poor control of the vacuum.
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:24 am

Yep. I read a science fiction book once called "Friday" (no, not the same as that awful movie, I was sad to find out) that used something along these lines. I think it's a great idea once the kinks can be worked out.
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:22 pm

If my daughter had been born 45 minutes later, she would have been called "Friday Jones", after the girl in that.
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:22 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:If my daughter had been born 45 minutes later, she would have been called "Friday Jones", after the girl in that.


After the book or the awful movie?
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:20 pm

betiko wrote:Is it me or there was a james bond where roger moore went to the kremlin through a similar tube system?


In The Living Daylights (not Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton) sends someone out of Bratislava using the oil pipeline.
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby tzor on Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:44 pm

Woodruff wrote:Yep. I read a science fiction book once called "Friday" (no, not the same as that awful movie, I was sad to find out) that used something along these lines. I think it's a great idea once the kinks can be worked out.


The kinks? The whole premise is based on a fundamental flaw. That flaw is "plate tectonics." You can't build an inter-plate tube system as the plates will soon de-align the tube. Since the tubes are underground it's kind of hard to realign them. Intra-plate transport is still possible, but that limits the distance.
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby Ray Rider on Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:02 am

I'm surprised you didn't include this or a similar picture, Andy:

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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby Woodruff on Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:53 am

tzor wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Yep. I read a science fiction book once called "Friday" (no, not the same as that awful movie, I was sad to find out) that used something along these lines. I think it's a great idea once the kinks can be worked out.


The kinks? The whole premise is based on a fundamental flaw. That flaw is "plate tectonics." You can't build an inter-plate tube system as the plates will soon de-align the tube. Since the tubes are underground it's kind of hard to realign them. Intra-plate transport is still possible, but that limits the distance.


I went back and looked at the book, because I wondered if they had addressed this. Apparently, it's been longer than I thought since I had read it, since they used the tubes in the atmosphere, not underground.
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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:17 am

Ray Rider wrote:I'm surprised you didn't include this or a similar picture, Andy:

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I figured someone else would get to it eventually. I didn't want to throw everything into the pot at once!


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Re: [Poll] Evacuated Tube Transport (For People)

Postby ManBungalow on Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:18 pm

Ray Rider wrote:I'm surprised you didn't include this or a similar picture, Andy:

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This is what I came to this thread to see.
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