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Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby pimpdave on Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:09 am

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis overhauled the laws that govern the Vatican City state on Thursday, criminalizing leaks of Vatican information and specifically listing sexual violence, prostitution and possession of child pornography as crimes against children that can be punished by up to 12 years in prison.

The legislation covers clergy and lay people who live and work in Vatican City and is different from the canon law that covers the universal Catholic Church.

The bulk of the Vatican's penal code is based on the 1889 Italian code. Many of the new provisions were necessary to bring the city state's legal system up to date after the Holy See signed international treaties, such as the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Others were necessary to comply with international norms to fight money-laundering, part of the Vatican's push toward financial transparency.

One new crime stands out, though, as an obvious response to the leaks of papal documents last year that represented one of the gravest Vatican security breaches in recent times.

Paolo Gabriele, the butler for then-Pope Benedict XVI, was tried and convicted by a Vatican court of stealing Benedict's personal papers and giving them to an Italian journalist, Gianluigi Nuzzi.

Using the documents, Nuzzi published a blockbuster book on the petty turf wars, bureaucratic dysfunction and allegations of corruption and homosexual liaisons that afflict the highest levels of Catholic Church governance.

Gabriele, who said he wanted to expose the "evil and corruption" that plagued the Holy See, was convicted of aggravated theft and sentenced to 18 months in the Vatican's police barracks. Benedict eventually pardoned him and he is now a free man.

But his crime devastated the Vatican, shattering the confidentiality that typically governs correspondence with the pope.

In an indication of how serious the Vatican considers such confidentiality, the penalties for violations of the new law are stiff: Anyone who reveals or receives confidential information or documentation risks six months to two years in prison and a €2,000 euro ($2,500) fine; the penalty goes up to eight years in prison if the material concerns the "fundamental interests" of the Holy See or its diplomatic relations with other countries.

Judge Giuseppe Dalla Torre, the president of the Vatican tribunal who presided over Gabriele's trial, acknowledged Thursday that the Gabriele case could be seen as having an influence on the new crime, though he said the crime itself was "irrelevant" to the overall reform.

But the crime of leaking Vatican information never existed before in the Vatican legal system. Sexual crimes did exist, albeit in a general form in the archaic code as a crime against "good customs."

The new law gives a broader definition of the crimes against children, including the sale of children, child prostitution, recruiting children, sexual violence, sexual acts with children and the production and possession of child pornography.

In the old code, such general crimes would have carried a maximum penalty of three to 10 years, the Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said. Under the revision, the punishments go from five to 10 years, with aggravating circumstances bringing the maximum up to 12 years, he said.

It considers a minor anyone under age 18, and allows Vatican prosecutors to pursue the case on their own even if the victim or his or her guardians choose not to make a criminal complaint.

Dalla Torre stressed that just because such acts are illegal now doesn't mean they were legal before. It merely means that, 100 years ago, child pornography was not specified as a crime in either the Italian legal code or the Vatican's.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... s/2508013/
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby pimpdave on Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:11 am

Looks like everything old is new again. They can claim they're doing anything, but not reveal any of it. If anyone exposes that they just keep shuffling child rapists around to go rape some more in a new place without warning the potential victims, well, now that's a crime!

So they can just keep hiding and covering up their legacy of a ruining lives.

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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:54 am

copying Obama.

But as we all know, the government is none of our business and just a private entity, and the religious organizations that some of us do not even belong to and have no impact in our lives is of utmost importance and needs to be constantly watched and reported on....
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:04 am

Phatscotty wrote:copying Obama.

But as we all know, the government is none of our business and just a private entity, and the religious organizations that some of us do not even belong to and have no impact in our lives is of utmost importance and needs to be constantly watched and reported on....


In a move surprising no one, Phatscotty defends pedophilia by the church as being none of our business while trying to turn it into a problem of Obama's.
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:32 am

It's in the Vatican City, so it's still easy to dodge their law enforcement if one wishes to leak such information. It's not like they'll be rendered by the Vatican-esque CIA.

That to me is nice about a more city-level state of governance v. federal/centralized governance.
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:54 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:It's in the Vatican City, so it's still easy to dodge their law enforcement if one wishes to leak such information. It's not like they'll be rendered by the Vatican-esque CIA.

That to me is nice about a more city-level state of governance v. federal/centralized governance.

City-state governance stinks, BBS. If Civilization 5 has taught me anything, it is that they are either ripe for conquering or turning into a puppet state. Plus, I like the gold, resources, and tributes they give me. Sweet deals, man.


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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:59 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:It's in the Vatican City, so it's still easy to dodge their law enforcement if one wishes to leak such information. It's not like they'll be rendered by the Vatican-esque CIA.

That to me is nice about a more city-level state of governance v. federal/centralized governance.

City-state governance stinks, BBS. If Civilization 5 has taught me anything, it is that they are either ripe for conquering or turning into a puppet state. Plus, I like the gold, resources, and tributes they give me. Sweet deals, man.


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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:07 pm

I also often raze cities after conquer them if they aren't that useful. Thus, instead of a happiness penalty, I just make everyone really unhappy and then they're dead.


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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:42 pm

Machiavelli would be proud!
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:02 am

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:copying Obama.

But as we all know, the government is none of our business and just a private entity, and the religious organizations that some of us do not even belong to and have no impact in our lives is of utmost importance and needs to be constantly watched and reported on....


In a move surprising no one, Phatscotty defends pedophilia by the church as being none of our business while trying to turn it into a problem of Obama's.


My post said nothing about the Catholic Church, and nothing about pedophilia, which makes you a moronic troll, surprising no one.

I understand you don't have any credibility left because of all the lies you tell, but it is entertaining watching you marginalize yourself as well.
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby warmonger1981 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:47 am

What about the Black Pope. Why is he never talked about?
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:57 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:copying Obama.
But as we all know, the government is none of our business and just a private entity, and the religious organizations that some of us do not even belong to and have no impact in our lives is of utmost importance and needs to be constantly watched and reported on....


In a move surprising no one, Phatscotty defends pedophilia by the church as being none of our business while trying to turn it into a problem of Obama's.


My post said nothing about the Catholic Church, and nothing about pedophilia, which makes you a moronic troll, surprising no one.


Let's examine this, shall we?

In reference to a post about pedophilia in the church (which Phatscotty has conveniently edited out), Phatscotty makes a comparison between the government and the church pointing out sarcastically that "the government is none of our business and just a private entity" (trying to make the point that the church IS those things) and that "the religious organizations is of utmost importance and needs to be constantly watched and reported on" (trying to make the point that the government IS those things).

So yes, my point stands. You were attempting to defend pedophilia by the church as being none of our business while trying to turn it into a problem of Obama's. Stop being dishonest, Phatscotty...it would be a nice change of pace.
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:58 am

warmonger1981 wrote:What about the Black Pope. Why is he never talked about?


Uh...what?
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:04 pm

He's the Jesuit bigwig (the name is a nickname, not an official one), and some people think he is the real power in the church, more so than the "real" pope.
I think the new guy is a Jesuit though, so I don't know what that does to the theory.
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:08 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:He's the Jesuit bigwig (the name is a nickname, not an official one), and some people think he is the real power in the church, more so than the "real" pope.
I think the new guy is a Jesuit though, so I don't know what that does to the theory.

Yeah, he's a Jesuit. Also refuses to live in the "Pope's Quarters" and prefers to live in simpler apartments.
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Re: Pope criminalizes leaks

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:16 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:He's the Jesuit bigwig (the name is a nickname, not an official one), and some people think he is the real power in the church, more so than the "real" pope.
I think the new guy is a Jesuit though, so I don't know what that does to the theory.


Huh...thanks for the info. I had never heard that before. The current Pope is a Jesuit, yes. And honestly, I don't think that the Black Pope would be the real power in the church, because the last several Papal policies have not been particularly Jesuitish (whereas this current Pope does seem to be, which I love).
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