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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby fadedpsychosis on Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:45 pm

Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
anyway, my entire point is this: you use bad logic to reinforce your personal ideology which is what I personally hate most about politicians and religious fanatics the most... so I hate groups, does that make me a hate group?


You seem to hate my personal ideology. Can you outline it for me? If it is your entire point, that is.

no

I don't care about your personal ideology... it's your personal ideology

my point is don't use bad logic
(sorry, underlined was the best I could do)


If your logic led you to a hatred of my personal ideology, you could at least outline what you think that ideology is, however little you care for it.

you don't listen do you? let me say it again... I. Don't. Care.
your ideology is your own personal business.
I don't care about it, I don't know anything about it, I don't want to know.
I don't hate your ideology either. what I hate is you using bad logic to push it.

if you want to learn the difference between good and bad logic go read a book or take a class, I haven't the patience or inclination to try to teach one who doesn't listen.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Symmetry on Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:10 pm

fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
anyway, my entire point is this: you use bad logic to reinforce your personal ideology which is what I personally hate most about politicians and religious fanatics the most... so I hate groups, does that make me a hate group?


You seem to hate my personal ideology. Can you outline it for me? If it is your entire point, that is.

no

I don't care about your personal ideology... it's your personal ideology

my point is don't use bad logic
(sorry, underlined was the best I could do)


If your logic led you to a hatred of my personal ideology, you could at least outline what you think that ideology is, however little you care for it.

you don't listen do you? let me say it again... I. Don't. Care.
your ideology is your own personal business.
I don't care about it, I don't know anything about it, I don't want to know.
I don't hate your ideology either. what I hate is you using bad logic to push it.

if you want to learn the difference between good and bad logic go read a book or take a class, I haven't the patience or inclination to try to teach one who doesn't listen.


So, what was the ideology that you hated? Or were you just hating the rhetoric I use?
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby fadedpsychosis on Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:16 pm

Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
anyway, my entire point is this: you use bad logic to reinforce your personal ideology which is what I personally hate most about politicians and religious fanatics the most... so I hate groups, does that make me a hate group?


You seem to hate my personal ideology. Can you outline it for me? If it is your entire point, that is.

no

I don't care about your personal ideology... it's your personal ideology

my point is don't use bad logic
(sorry, underlined was the best I could do)


If your logic led you to a hatred of my personal ideology, you could at least outline what you think that ideology is, however little you care for it.


you don't listen do you? let me say it again... I. Don't. Care.
your ideology is your own personal business.
I don't care about it, I don't know anything about it, I don't want to know.
I don't hate your ideology either. what I hate is you using bad logic to push it.

if you want to learn the difference between good and bad logic go read a book or take a class, I haven't the patience or inclination to try to teach one who doesn't listen.


So, what was the ideology that you hated? Or were you just hating the rhetoric I use?

it was the rhetoric, if you want to call it that... I call it bad logic. I don't care what you or anyone believes, but be honest and correct when you try to persuade others... if you read close what I said, it was the way politicians and religious fanatics use bad logic that I hate (I even bolded it in the quote above for you) as you have shown you're not a religious fanatic, I can only pray you have no political aspirations...
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby fadedpsychosis on Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:20 pm

also, for more clarity, it was the word tautology that really set me off, followed by the line "They are Christian, thus they hate."
calling a logical fallacy a tautology is rather offensive to me.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Symmetry on Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:20 pm

fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
So, what was the ideology that you hated? Or were you just hating the rhetoric I use?

it was the rhetoric, if you want to call it that... I call it bad logic. I don't care what you or anyone believes, but be honest and correct when you try to persuade others... if you read close what I said, it was the way politicians and religious fanatics use bad logic that I hate (I even bolded it in the quote above for you) as you have shown you're not a religious fanatic, I can only pray you have no political aspirations...


I don't get your take on this, nor why you would want to pray for that. Are you saying that you'd prefer these guys in office?
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:22 pm

fadedpsychosis wrote:also, for more clarity, it was the word tautology that really set me off, followed by the line "They are Christian, thus they hate."
calling a logical fallacy a tautology is rather offensive to me.


His point (or so I thought anyway) was that it seemed a tautology to THEM -i.e. THEY think that hate is a necessaary part of being a Christian. I don't believe Sym meant that he agrees.
Or am I reading it wrong?
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Symmetry on Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:29 pm

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fadedpsychosis wrote:also, for more clarity, it was the word tautology that really set me off, followed by the line "They are Christian, thus they hate."
calling a logical fallacy a tautology is rather offensive to me.


His point (or so I thought anyway) was that it seemed a tautology to THEM -i.e. THEY think that hate is a necessaary part of being a Christian. I don't believe Sym meant that he agrees.
Or am I reading it wrong?


You read me right Jones.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:50 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Weird stuff, a magazine for a group called the "Son's of Thunder" turned up on my doormat, apparently for a previous occupant. They kind of sound like a cult. I've dealt with a fair few weird Christian denominations in my time, and some of their "love" is pretty much indistinguishable from virulent hatred.

Any of you guys heard of them?


and????? where is the hate??? I don't get it, unless it's just something you wanted to include in the title in order to deal with your own hate issue?

I was expecting something like this...from a real hate group
Democratic Official Allan Brauer Wishes Death on Ted Cruz Aide’s Children

Kansas professor issues death wish upon children of NRA members

Did this Christian group issue a death wish to you Symm? Or threaten to cut off your head? What kind of hate are you talking about?


??????????
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby fadedpsychosis on Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:58 am

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fadedpsychosis wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
So, what was the ideology that you hated? Or were you just hating the rhetoric I use?

it was the rhetoric, if you want to call it that... I call it bad logic. I don't care what you or anyone believes, but be honest and correct when you try to persuade others... if you read close what I said, it was the way politicians and religious fanatics use bad logic that I hate (I even bolded it in the quote above for you) as you have shown you're not a religious fanatic, I can only pray you have no political aspirations...


I don't get your take on this, nor why you would want to pray for that. Are you saying that you'd prefer these guys in office?

to quote Jigo from Princess Mononoke: "I give up, you can't win against idiots."
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby macbone on Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:19 am

Oh, wait, Symmetry, was it the Sons of Thundr [sic]? That's a completely different group, and they are definitely a hate group.

Here's the anti-gay group's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Th ... _Church%29

And their website: http://sonsofthundr.com/

They're apparently very liberal when it comes to punctuation and capitalization. =)

The Sons of Thunder, on the other hand, seem ok. They describe themselves as Christian mystics, which sounds kind of funky.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby hahaha3hahaha on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:51 am

As already mentioned, a Christian hate group is unable to exist. It's like a "Christian evolutionist", a term people liberally throw around that doesn't actually make any sense whatsoever. The two terms both conflict themselves, and in reality cannot exist.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby chang50 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:12 am

hahaha3hahaha wrote:As already mentioned, a Christian hate group is unable to exist. It's like a "Christian evolutionist", a term people liberally throw around that doesn't actually make any sense whatsoever. The two terms both conflict themselves, and in reality cannot exist.


You mean 'Christian evolutionists' like the Pope,and the Archbishop of Canterbury,or come to think of it the vast majority of self-identifying Christians?
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby hahaha3hahaha on Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:22 am

chang50 wrote:
hahaha3hahaha wrote:As already mentioned, a Christian hate group is unable to exist. It's like a "Christian evolutionist", a term people liberally throw around that doesn't actually make any sense whatsoever. The two terms both conflict themselves, and in reality cannot exist.


You mean 'Christian evolutionists' like the Pope,and the Archbishop of Canterbury,or come to think of it the vast majority of self-identifying Christians?


"Vast majority" is a gross overstatement...
Secondly the scriptures clearly state that man was created by God, not that man has slowly evolved from bacteria and other species. It is fairly difficult, if not impossible, to claim to be a follower of Christ if you believe in evolution. Much like it is quite difficult to claim to be an atheist if you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:33 am

Then how many Christians do you think there are?
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Postby 2dimes on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:37 am

jonesthecurl wrote:Then how many Christians do you think there are?

Eleven.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:20 pm

hahaha3hahaha wrote:
chang50 wrote:
hahaha3hahaha wrote:As already mentioned, a Christian hate group is unable to exist. It's like a "Christian evolutionist", a term people liberally throw around that doesn't actually make any sense whatsoever. The two terms both conflict themselves, and in reality cannot exist.


You mean 'Christian evolutionists' like the Pope,and the Archbishop of Canterbury,or come to think of it the vast majority of self-identifying Christians?


"Vast majority" is a gross overstatement...
Secondly the scriptures clearly state that man was created by God, not that man has slowly evolved from bacteria and other species. It is fairly difficult, if not impossible, to claim to be a follower of Christ if you believe in evolution. Much like it is quite difficult to claim to be an atheist if you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord.


I should avoid this discussion, but, well, Catholics (the first organized Christian religion) are evolutionists (or at least the Church teaches that evolution is correct).
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Gillipig on Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:27 pm

Heard of them? I lead them!!

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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Symmetry on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:07 pm

macbone wrote:Oh, wait, Symmetry, was it the Sons of Thundr [sic]? That's a completely different group, and they are definitely a hate group.

Here's the anti-gay group's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Th ... _Church%29

And their website: http://sonsofthundr.com/

They're apparently very liberal when it comes to punctuation and capitalization. =)

The Sons of Thunder, on the other hand, seem ok. They describe themselves as Christian mystics, which sounds kind of funky.


The latter, as far as I cam tell. They've moved their head office to Portland, which gives me an excuse to post this-
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:15 pm

macbone wrote:Oh, wait, Symmetry, was it the Sons of Thundr [sic]? That's a completely different group, and they are definitely a hate group.

Here's the anti-gay group's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Th ... _Church%29

And their website: http://sonsofthundr.com/

They're apparently very liberal when it comes to punctuation and capitalization. =)

The Sons of Thunder, on the other hand, seem ok. They describe themselves as Christian mystics, which sounds kind of funky.


Thanks for trying, but I think only Symm can answer the question. I will take a guess (after 5 days of asking) that, in Symm's mind, they are a hate group because they do not embrace and promote homosexuality. I will also take a guess, in Symm's mind, that groups whom chop people heads off for not believing in their religion and stone women to death for getting raped are not worthy of labeling a hate group.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Symmetry on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:17 pm

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macbone wrote:Oh, wait, Symmetry, was it the Sons of Thundr [sic]? That's a completely different group, and they are definitely a hate group.

Here's the anti-gay group's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Th ... _Church%29

And their website: http://sonsofthundr.com/

They're apparently very liberal when it comes to punctuation and capitalization. =)

The Sons of Thunder, on the other hand, seem ok. They describe themselves as Christian mystics, which sounds kind of funky.


Thanks for trying, but I think only Symm can answer the question. I will take a guess that, in Symm's mind, they are a hate group because they do not embrace and promote homosexuality. I will also take a guess, in Symm's mind, that groups whom chop people heads off for not believing in their religion and stone women to death for getting raped are not worthy of labeling a hate group.


I answered it in the post above yours dude.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:18 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
macbone wrote:Oh, wait, Symmetry, was it the Sons of Thundr [sic]? That's a completely different group, and they are definitely a hate group.

Here's the anti-gay group's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Th ... _Church%29

And their website: http://sonsofthundr.com/

They're apparently very liberal when it comes to punctuation and capitalization. =)

The Sons of Thunder, on the other hand, seem ok. They describe themselves as Christian mystics, which sounds kind of funky.


Thanks for trying, but I think only Symm can answer the question. I will take a guess that, in Symm's mind, they are a hate group because they do not embrace and promote homosexuality. I will also take a guess, in Symm's mind, that groups whom chop people heads off for not believing in their religion and stone women to death for getting raped are not worthy of labeling a hate group.


I answered it in the post above yours dude.


the Portlandia clip??
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby Symmetry on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:21 pm

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Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
macbone wrote:Oh, wait, Symmetry, was it the Sons of Thundr [sic]? That's a completely different group, and they are definitely a hate group.

Here's the anti-gay group's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Th ... _Church%29

And their website: http://sonsofthundr.com/

They're apparently very liberal when it comes to punctuation and capitalization. =)

The Sons of Thunder, on the other hand, seem ok. They describe themselves as Christian mystics, which sounds kind of funky.


Thanks for trying, but I think only Symm can answer the question. I will take a guess that, in Symm's mind, they are a hate group because they do not embrace and promote homosexuality. I will also take a guess, in Symm's mind, that groups whom chop people heads off for not believing in their religion and stone women to death for getting raped are not worthy of labeling a hate group.


I answered it in the post above yours dude.


the Portlandia clip??


That it was the latter of the two.
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Re: Christian hate group put this through my door yesterday

Postby hahaha3hahaha on Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:52 pm

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hahaha3hahaha wrote:As already mentioned, a Christian hate group is unable to exist. It's like a "Christian evolutionist", a term people liberally throw around that doesn't actually make any sense whatsoever. The two terms both conflict themselves, and in reality cannot exist.


You mean 'Christian evolutionists' like the Pope,and the Archbishop of Canterbury,or come to think of it the vast majority of self-identifying Christians?


"Vast majority" is a gross overstatement...
Secondly the scriptures clearly state that man was created by God, not that man has slowly evolved from bacteria and other species. It is fairly difficult, if not impossible, to claim to be a follower of Christ if you believe in evolution. Much like it is quite difficult to claim to be an atheist if you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord.


I should avoid this discussion, but, well, Catholics (the first organized Christian religion) are evolutionists (or at least the Church teaches that evolution is correct).


Catholics also teach that a mere man behind a screen can forgive sins (which realistically debunks the "Christian religion" claim you throw around- but that's another story), amongst a multitude of other non-biblical doctrine, so the fact that they teach evolution does not surprise me, and should not be used as a promotion for "Christian evolutionism".
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