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Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby Baron Von PWN on Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:39 pm

It seems Donetsk has jumped on the whole let's f*ck with Ukraine in a totally non suspicious manner band wagon.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26919928
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:06 pm

They are finally Liberated from proEU/proNazi government of Kiev.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:54 pm

Meanwhile, the activists held their own referendum: "All in favor of separating from Ukraine, raise your hand."



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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:56 pm

The group of thugs which took control of Kiev are sending emissaries to the separatists parts of Ukraine and are considering calling in the 'armed reinforcements.'

Let's be consistent: it's a thug life in Ukraine.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:00 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Let's be consistent: it's a thug life in Ukraine.

Unfortunately bad life ahead of people of Ukraine regardless if they are proRussian or proWestern... at least in near future.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby Qwert on Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:44 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:It seems Donetsk has jumped on the whole let's f*ck with Ukraine in a totally non suspicious manner band wagon.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26919928


This its not good source , you need to read some other news , who are not sponsored from Russia government. Its not protester, this its thugs from East Ukraine! Filthy Russian propaganda ;)
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:26 am

Interesting but every time American officials(Joe Biden is scheduled for 22-nd of April) announce they will visit Ukraine Ukrainian proWestern government gets boost in their moral, and loses region after that...

Sloviansk Barricades before Kiev's operation


Liberation of neighboring Kramatorsk.


I think that road to civil war is open... tho I hope it wont happen.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:33 pm

Things certainly seem to be heating up. Some Ukrainian police sent to retake the city suffered casualties (1 killed 5 injured) with an unknown number of pro-Russian guys wounded.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby notyou2 on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:32 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:Things certainly seem to be heating up. Some Ukrainian police sent to retake the city suffered casualties (1 killed 5 injured) with an unknown number of pro-Russian guys wounded.


Who are these "pro Russians guys"? They are very well equipped and seem to have matching uniforms, the same weapons, and the list goes on.

Lets call a spade a spade, they are not Pro Russians, they are Russian pros. They are Russians that either live in the Ukraine and have been equipped by Russia, or they are Russian troops that have infiltrated the country. I strongly doubt they are average citizens as they obviously have military training. I believe the majority are active Russian soldiers that have infiltrated the country on the orders of Vlad "the invader" Putin.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby kuthoer on Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:13 pm

No doubt that the Russian government is behind this.

Time to arm Ukraine so at least they can at least defend themselves from further aggression.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:35 pm

notyou2 wrote:Who are these "pro Russians guys"? They are very well equipped and seem to have matching uniforms, the same weapons, and the list goes on.

Lets call a spade a spade, they are not Pro Russians, they are Russian pros. They are Russians that either live in the Ukraine and have been equipped by Russia, or they are Russian troops that have infiltrated the country. I strongly doubt they are average citizens as they obviously have military training. I believe the majority are active Russian soldiers that have infiltrated the country on the orders of Vlad "the invader" Putin.


kuthoer wrote:No doubt that the Russian government is behind this.

Time to arm Ukraine so at least they can at least defend themselves from further aggression.

Maybe you two want to fight on Ukrainian side(or you will chicken out)?
Anyway Ukranian army units sent to occupy Donets region switch side and joined the people of Donets :D Seems like vast majority of solders in Ukranian army are with the people and not with the proWestern government :)
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:38 pm

It'll be interesting when the Soviet Union breaks up again in like 60 years.


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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:55 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:It'll be interesting when the Soviet Union breaks up again in like 60 years.


--Andy

I dont think that you will live to see that fulfilling :lol: On the other hand you will witness the expansion of Russia(and probably China) ;)
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby Baron Von PWN on Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:28 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:Things certainly seem to be heating up. Some Ukrainian police sent to retake the city suffered casualties (1 killed 5 injured) with an unknown number of pro-Russian guys wounded.


Who are these "pro Russians guys"? They are very well equipped and seem to have matching uniforms, the same weapons, and the list goes on.

Lets call a spade a spade, they are not Pro Russians, they are Russian pros. They are Russians that either live in the Ukraine and have been equipped by Russia, or they are Russian troops that have infiltrated the country. I strongly doubt they are average citizens as they obviously have military training. I believe the majority are active Russian soldiers that have infiltrated the country on the orders of Vlad "the invader" Putin.



Well that's not so clear. The police station itself was likely taken by Russian special forces, the dudes holding it now seem to be legitimately locals armed with weapons seized from the police station. Eastern ukraine is heavily populated with ethnic Russians people, who often feel more loyalty to the Soviet Union/Russia than they do Ukraine. Some of the guys occupying the government buildings are reportedly Afghan war vets, so there's some military training right there. It isn't unlikely that some may be former military, or possibly Berkut/Ukrainian army deserters.

As we have seen from Krimea the Ukrianian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians. Some units had more than half their men decide to stay in Crimea and swear for the Russians. Is it so unbeleivable that Russians who are Ukrainian nationals might defect?
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:33 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:As we have seen from Krimea the Ukrianian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians. Some units had more than half their men decide to stay in Crimea and swear for the Russians. Is it so unbeleivable that Russians who are Ukrainian nationals might defect?

Why do you think that only Ukrainian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians? You would be stunned how big the percentage of ethnic Ukrainians will also chose to not fight the Russians, even around 2/3 of ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea voted for merger with Russia ;)
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby kuthoer on Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:40 pm

GoranZ wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:As we have seen from Krimea the Ukrianian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians. Some units had more than half their men decide to stay in Crimea and swear for the Russians. Is it so unbeleivable that Russians who are Ukrainian nationals might defect?

Why do you think that only Ukrainian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians? You would be stunned how big the percentage of ethnic Ukrainians will also chose to not fight the Russians, even around 2/3 of ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea voted for merger with Russia ;)

2/3 of ethnic Ukrainians voted for merger with Russia? Where did you come up with those ridiculous figures? Russian TV ?
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:09 pm

kuthoer wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:As we have seen from Krimea the Ukrianian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians. Some units had more than half their men decide to stay in Crimea and swear for the Russians. Is it so unbeleivable that Russians who are Ukrainian nationals might defect?

Why do you think that only Ukrainian military isn't exactly united in defiantly resisting the Russians? You would be stunned how big the percentage of ethnic Ukrainians will also chose to not fight the Russians, even around 2/3 of ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea voted for merger with Russia ;)

2/3 of ethnic Ukrainians voted for merger with Russia? Where did you come up with those ridiculous figures? Russian TV ?

CNN, BBC and any other western media you can imagine ;)

Tips... Crimean referendum turnout: 83%, out of them 96% voted for joining Russia. Ethnic composition of Crimea: ~60% Russians, ~24% Ukrainians, ~12% Tatars, remaining others. Tatars apparently boycotted the referendum. If you are smart enough you can get to the same numbers ;) Enjoy calculating :lol:
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby Qwert on Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:30 pm

according to CNN-Geneva accord are tactical victory for Russia. Crimea even not mentioned in this meeting, and all focus are move to Eastern Ukraine. Also ,even all sides agree on DE-escalation, they not put clear timeline for this, what its another score for Russia.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby mrswdk on Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:27 pm

GoranZ wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:It'll be interesting when the Soviet Union breaks up again in like 60 years.


--Andy

I dont think that you will live to see that fulfilling :lol: On the other hand you will witness the expansion of Russia(and probably China) ;)


China has never been an expansionist state. There is no reason to believe that a resurgent China will suddenly adopt the behavior of decaying imperial empires such as Russia or the USA.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:20 am

mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:It'll be interesting when the Soviet Union breaks up again in like 60 years.


--Andy

I dont think that you will live to see that fulfilling :lol: On the other hand you will witness the expansion of Russia(and probably China) ;)


China has never been an expansionist state. There is no reason to believe that a resurgent China will suddenly adopt the behavior of decaying imperial empires such as Russia or the USA.

I agree that China was never expansionist state, but currently there are few territories that china considers them as Chinese but they are not under its control.
But on the other hand current Chinese government would love to export Communism to any country on the globe, and this scares the West 10 times more then Russia :lol:

This is funny :)
Ukraine’s Interior Ministry has called on former Berkut special forces troops to rejoin the Ukrainian military.

*source(Sunday, April 20/21:46 GMT): http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/

So after failure of everything else that current Ukrainian government has, they are hoping for help from Berkut special forces they they disbanded :D I think that current Ukrainian government wont live long.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby mrswdk on Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:40 am

lool. Modern China has no communism left to export. Cut-throat capitalism, thy name is the People's Republic.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:25 pm

Now is not the time to divide ourselves, to relish in letters by men long dead. Now is the time to come and work together in order to bring this country onto the right track. We are all citizens of this country, it is time to treat eachother as equals.
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Re: Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

Postby GoranZ on Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:25 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-pro-russia-militia-look-suspiciously-veteran-russian-170728485.html


The Times also points out that the Ukrainian separatists use the same helmets as Russian troops

I dont think that Ukrainian and Russian forces have very different helmets, they might be even produced in the same factory :D

and that the armed men in Crimea and east Ukraine dress in basically the same way.

Both territories were part of the same country few months ago, both territorial defense units(army units inherited from USSR) use the same clothes. I dont think its smart to expect the clothes to be different :lol:
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