The perfect muff

[tzor]

The whole "shaved beaver" thing was a fad started by porn stars who wanted to satisfy the fantasies of pedophiles and pretend to be pre-pubescent. The normal pudenda of a healthy adult human has a good handful of fur

I'm pretty sure it may have started back in the bikini craze as bottoms started getting smaller and smaller and the idea of having them as tight to the skin as possible became the goal and ideal.

Shaving the pudenda is a crime against nature, right up there with circumcision and tongue piercings and other abominations. The fact that this fad, started by the filthiest porn stars of the 80's gradually spread, first to less disgusting porn stars, and now to the population in general, is really, really sad.

I wouldn't go that far. One might compare it to a man's beard. Yes there were cultures that considered any cutting or shaving of a man's beard a "crime against nature" but some people look good with full growth, others with the growth trimmed and others clean shaved.

Personally, I think all proper opinions should be based on musical lyrics, so I will defer to the famous song "Today." Get ready for the double entendres.

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[KoolBak]

I found this info (Duk...you are a sick sick man )

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Waxing History & Origins

Hair removal, including Brazilian Waxing is a hygiene thing. In Middle Eastern societies, removal of body hair has been considered proper hygiene, necessitated by local customs, for many centuries.

Ancient Egyptians
In Islam, this is known as an act of Fitrah. Evidence of total body hair removal in ancient India dates back to 4000 to 3000 BC and whilst Europeans have been generally accepting of body hair, there was a period in the Middle Ages when Crusaders returning from the Middle East made hairlessness chic.

The West has taken a little longer to catch up. The removal of body hair by Western women became more common when bathing suits came about, starting in the 1940’s.


It is commonly agreed that full body hair removal originated in Middle Eastern countries. It is thought to have come about as a response to lice, fleas other parasites and body odour that can be prevalent in a hot climate. It later became a religious ritual to promote cleanliness and purification. Both men and women subscribed to full body hair removal and adhered to the expectation that hair should be removed at least every 40 days. All this time later we still recommend waxing every 4 to 5 weeks!

Men favored using a blade or a razor or ointments (depilation cream) but women were tougher; preferring waxing the hair off using a homemade sugar and lemon resin, tweezing using an early form of tweezers which the Egyptians called “volsella” and threading, also known as khite (Arabic) or fatlah (Egyptian).


Sugaring is an early form of waxing and came from ancient Egypt and is still popular in Arabic countries today. Sugaring is known in various Mediterranean societies by the Arabic name, halawa, meaning sweet. A mixture of sugar, lemon juice, and water is heated to form a syrup. The syrup is formed into a ball, flattened onto the skin, then quickly stripped away, removing the hair from the root.


The history of threading is not clear, with some claiming it began in Turkey and others say it originated in China to create a more appealing hair line around the face. Threading removes hair from the root by twisting a piece of thread around the hair and lifting it up.

[DirtyDishSoap]

If I can't floss my teeth when I go down under, I want nothing to do with your sausage wallet.

[degaston]

If I can't floss my teeth when I go down under, I want nothing to do with your sausage wallet.

I guess you were born in the wrong era.
Stephen Lynch - Medieval Bush

[notyou2]

You people truly disgust me. Well, maybe not just you people, but all of society today.

The whole "shaved beaver" thing was a fad started by porn stars who wanted to satisfy the fantasies of pedophiles and pretend to be pre-pubescent. The normal pudenda of a healthy adult human has a good handful of fur.

Shaving the pudenda is a crime against nature, right up there with circumcision and tongue piercings and other abominations. The fact that this fad, started by the filthiest porn stars of the 80's gradually spread, first to less disgusting porn stars, and now to the population in general, is really, really sad.

Soooo, body builders are trying to look like children then.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Tongue piercings? Circumcision? Really?

So I guess tattoo's and hair dye are also an abomination to mankind?

And last I checked, it's almost 2015 gramp's, time's change. If time didn't change, we'd still be flinging fucking poop at each other, and if that isn't disgusting, you're one hopeless human being.

[Army of GOD]

If I can't floss my teeth when I go down under, I want nothing to do with your sausage wallet.

You don't complain about my hairless tallywhacker.

[Dukasaur]

You people truly disgust me. Well, maybe not just you people, but all of society today.

The whole "shaved beaver" thing was a fad started by porn stars who wanted to satisfy the fantasies of pedophiles and pretend to be pre-pubescent. The normal pudenda of a healthy adult human has a good handful of fur.

Shaving the pudenda is a crime against nature, right up there with circumcision and tongue piercings and other abominations. The fact that this fad, started by the filthiest porn stars of the 80's gradually spread, first to less disgusting porn stars, and now to the population in general, is really, really sad.

I expect you have a ZZ Top beard and beautiful flowing locks?

-TG

I used to. I eventually gave in to social pressure and started cutting. I suppose that makes me as big a whore as La Courcelette, but so be it.

When the hair on your head is 30" long, it starts to become a genuine safety hazard and can get you caught in machinery, etc. You cannot say the same for your short-and-curlies.

Soooo, body builders are trying to look like children then.

Body builders are a whole different kind of disgusting. It's good to have a nice set of well-toned muscles from doing honest labour, but to look like the Michelin Man with those gigantic arthropod-like segmented muscles is not human.

I remember Solzhenitsyn talking about how Alekseyev couldn't even walk up a set of stairs because his thighs were too massive and couldn't be placed one in front of the other. World's strongest man, and he can't go upstairs to bed without assistance. That is far beyond any kind of healthy exercise regime. That is (dare I say it?) abomination.

If I can't floss my teeth when I go down under, I want nothing to do with your sausage wallet.

I guess you were born in the wrong era.
Stephen Lynch - Medieval Bush

You can joke about "medieval" all you like, but in fact the "shaved beaver" fad didn't get underway until about 1985. If you watch any of the great 70's porn movies like Deep Throat or Misty Beethoven, or even the Debbie Does Dallas series (the last of which was made in 1982) you'll see that all of the actors and actresses still have normal, healthy bushes. At that time, faux-children were already appearing in some underground porn productions, but they were definitely understood to be pretend-paedophilia for perverts.

The VCR revolution, however, was well under way by then, and that meant all kinds of disgusting perversions -- golden showers, copraphagia, snuff, and of course peadophilia -- started becoming available. All kinds of relatively normal people who had heard of such things but never witnessed them started "sneaking a peak" overcome by curiosity. And the terrible thing is, once you have seen such things you cannot take them out of your head. The loss of innocence is permanent.

On principle, I'm not a big fan of censorship, but I do wonder if our society would be better off if we had never opened the door to those kinds of things being available to the mainstream. The Marquis deSade was quite right: one does become desensitized, and things that once seemed atrocities become no big deal after a while. I don't know if our society will ever be healthy again. I'm not making a positive assertion that it won't, but I do wonder.

The first time I saw a woman with a shaved beaver in a magazine was 1984. The first time I saw one live on stage was 1986. The first time I saw one in my own bed was 1995. Eleven years to go from being a bizarre novelty in a magazine to being a something that real people in real life did.

Old guy alert!
I personally trim/shave because it feels better, and I'm sure others agree. I'm not trying to be a porn star, and I don't care if hair were to become fashionable again, it's my preference.

I'm sure you didn't develop this "preference" on your own. Maybe some friend told you about it, maybe you read it in a book or watched it in a movie, maybe some lover asked you to try it. You didn't just wake up one day and initiate the idea with no social input. It's a fad, a meme, and spreads from host to host like any other meme.

[Serbia]

Old guy alert!
I personally trim/shave because it feels better, and I'm sure others agree. I'm not trying to be a porn star, and I don't care if hair were to become fashionable again, it's my preference.

I'm sure you didn't develop this "preference" on your own. Maybe some friend told you about it, maybe you read it in a book or watched it in a movie, maybe some lover asked you to try it. You didn't just wake up one day and initiate the idea with no social input. It's a fad, a meme, and spreads from host to host like any other meme.

Actually, I did, and quite out of necessity. I'm a very hairy dude, and I had my worst ingrown hair in my groin. By the time I became aware of it, the infection was rather large for an ingrown hair. I went to work on the black dot I saw curled up in the wound, and pulled out a hair an inch long. Yet the incident which actually started me trimming was far worse. I was siding a house in the dead of winter. I had on underwear, then jeans, then Carhartt bibs, a hoodie over that, a Carhartt jacket on that, then a tool pouch around my waist, supported by suspenders over my shoulders. While working off an 8' ladder, I suddenly felt like I was being stabbed by a needle going up my shaft. Hurt like hell. The bathroom the homeowner was allowing us to use was in the basement, and was tiny. Had to jump off the ladder, get down stairs, and strip everything off, all while in awful pain from my penis, only to find... one of my insanely long pubic hairs had somehow curled itself into my shaft. That night, I took scissors and chopped all the hair as closely as I could, because I had no desire to ever live through that again. Chopping pubic hair with scissors is quite the health hazard, and after a few nicks over time, I very reluctantly attempted to shave; I was scared to death I'd rip my scrotum with a razor. Having survived it once, I've kept my nether regions clean every since.

Or, to say it simply:


Bollocks.

[Dukasaur]

Old guy alert!
I personally trim/shave because it feels better, and I'm sure others agree. I'm not trying to be a porn star, and I don't care if hair were to become fashionable again, it's my preference.

I'm sure you didn't develop this "preference" on your own. Maybe some friend told you about it, maybe you read it in a book or watched it in a movie, maybe some lover asked you to try it. You didn't just wake up one day and initiate the idea with no social input. It's a fad, a meme, and spreads from host to host like any other meme.

Actually, I did, and quite out of necessity. I'm a very hairy dude, and I had my worst ingrown hair in my groin. By the time I became aware of it, the infection was rather large for an ingrown hair. I went to work on the black dot I saw curled up in the wound, and pulled out a hair an inch long. Yet the incident which actually started me trimming was far worse. I was siding a house in the dead of winter. I had on underwear, then jeans, then Carhartt bibs, a hoodie over that, a Carhartt jacket on that, then a tool pouch around my waist, supported by suspenders over my shoulders. While working off an 8' ladder, I suddenly felt like I was being stabbed by a needle going up my shaft. Hurt like hell. The bathroom the homeowner was allowing us to use was in the basement, and was tiny. Had to jump off the ladder, get down stairs, and strip everything off, all while in awful pain from my penis, only to find... one of my insanely long pubic hairs had somehow curled itself into my shaft. That night, I took scissors and chopped all the hair as closely as I could, because I had no desire to ever live through that again. Chopping pubic hair with scissors is quite the health hazard, and after a few nicks over time, I very reluctantly attempted to shave; I was scared to death I'd rip my scrotum with a razor. Having survived it once, I've kept my nether regions clean every since.

Or, to say it simply:


Bollocks.

Ouch, ouch, and triple ouch!

Okay, I'll accept that one as being a legitimate necessity, and not cosmetic!

[DoomYoshi]

I fail to understand how painful infections trump Dukasaur's arbitrary standards of beauty.

[2dimes]

Anyone google can fap yet?

[Serbia]

Yet anyone can google fap.

Bollocks.

[mrswdk]

Worry not, Duke - as things currently stand, hair is winning 15-9.

[KoolBak]

As I understand it, the only category Duks (psychotic) view falls under is Chewbacca...all the others appear to me as some sort of grooming...so thasnotta win....

[Dukasaur]

As I understand it, the only category Duks (psychotic) view falls under is Chewbacca...all the others appear to me as some sort of grooming...so thasnotta win....

If I was a wookie, I would be happy to be a wookie. Since I am a human, I am happy to be a human. Some humans are genetically programmed to be quite hirsute, others not so much. The OP referred to eating out. I can report that I would love to eat someone like Britt Ekland, with her thin, wispy blonde pudenda. On the other hand, I also ate a mestizo girl in Guatemala with a twat like a Brillo pad, and I found the texture quite stimulating.

I'm not opposed to any and all grooming. I'm just opposed to excessive grooming. I don't mind deviations from nature as long as they don't overpower the nature. Adults are expected to have pubic hair, and whether you admit it or not (or whether you're simply too young to remember) the current fad for shaved beaver originates with porn stars playing faux-children to satisfy peadophiles. (Obviously, one makes exceptions for thing which are medically necessary or, as in Serbia's case, an industrial safety issue.)

If a girl wants to accentuate her mound by trimming the top of it, that's a cosmetic detail I wouldn't argue with. Similarly, if you want to trim the edges to keep it all inside the bikini (although, to be honest, nothing excites me more than seeing a few wild strands that just won't stay inside the bikini and are making a run for it!) go right ahead. Just don't take away the whole thing.

Besides the visual issue that I've talked about enough, there are two other senses involved -- tactile and olfactory. Pubic hair is pleasant to pass one's hand over, hence a tactile stimulation. Skin is boring. The term "pussy" does not come by accident. It is supposed to be an area that is pleasant to pet. As far as olfactory, the pubic hair helps retain pheromones, which are crucial for mammals to gain full arousal. Overall, the pubic mound is an essential part of the sexual package, beautiful to at least three senses, and while a judicious trim might be pretty, complete removal is a crime.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

As I understand it, the only category Duks (psychotic) view falls under is Chewbacca...all the others appear to me as some sort of grooming...so thasnotta win....

If I was a wookie, I would be happy to be a wookie. Since I am a human, I am happy to be a human. Some humans are genetically programmed to be quite hirsute, others not so much. The OP referred to eating out. I can report that I would love to eat someone like Britt Ekland, with her thin, wispy blonde pudenda. On the other hand, I also ate a mestizo girl in Guatemala with a twat like a Brillo pad, and I found the texture quite stimulating.

I'm not opposed to any and all grooming. I'm just opposed to excessive grooming. I don't mind deviations from nature as long as they don't overpower the nature. Adults are expected to have pubic hair, and whether you admit it or not (or whether you're simply too young to remember) the current fad for shaved beaver originates with porn stars playing faux-children to satisfy peadophiles. (Obviously, one makes exceptions for thing which are medically necessary or, as in Serbia's case, an industrial safety issue.)

If a girl wants to accentuate her mound by trimming the top of it, that's a cosmetic detail I wouldn't argue with. Similarly, if you want to trim the edges to keep it all inside the bikini (although, to be honest, nothing excites me more than seeing a few wild strands that just won't stay inside the bikini and are making a run for it!) go right ahead. Just don't take away the whole thing.

Besides the visual issue that I've talked about enough, there are two other senses involved -- tactile and olfactory. Pubic hair is pleasant to pass one's hand over, hence a tactile stimulation. Skin is boring. The term "pussy" does not come by accident. It is supposed to be an area that is pleasant to pet. As far as olfactory, the pubic hair helps retain pheromones, which are crucial for mammals to gain full arousal. Overall, the pubic mound is an essential part of the sexual package, beautiful to at least three senses, and while a judicious trim might be pretty, complete removal is a crime.

Humans have lost the functionality of the VNO. I am doubtful of any effects of pheromones.

-TG

[Dukasaur]

Humans have lost the functionality of the VNO. I am doubtful of any effects of pheromones.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pheromones-sex-lives/

Although the nitty-gritty of their dispersal remains obscure, pheromonal detection mechanisms are becoming clearer. Scientists have long thought that a specialized structure in animals' noses, called a vomeronasal organ (VNO), detects pheromones. The problem with that theory when applied to humans, however, is that the tiny VNO duct behind each of our nostrils is not always present, plus the genes for its receptors seem to be inoperative. But as it turns out, regular mammalian nasal tissue seems to be able to pick up pheromones just fine—at least in some animals. For example, sows, upon smelling a pheromone in boars' saliva, assume a mating stance, even if researchers plug the pigs' VNOs. In humans, a 2011 study showed that when volunteers were exposed to androstadienone, all their brains showed a reaction, even if they lacked VNOs or had their VNOs blocked. "The VNO need not be the pheromone-sensing organ," Wysocki says. "The olfactory system can be the input.

I'll assume you're a virgin. Anyone who's been in a relationship knows that while sight and sound might attract you from a distance, once you're in close proximity to your mate it is the olfactory clues that seal the deal.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Humans have lost the functionality of the VNO. I am doubtful of any effects of pheromones.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pheromones-sex-lives/

Although the nitty-gritty of their dispersal remains obscure, pheromonal detection mechanisms are becoming clearer. Scientists have long thought that a specialized structure in animals' noses, called a vomeronasal organ (VNO), detects pheromones. The problem with that theory when applied to humans, however, is that the tiny VNO duct behind each of our nostrils is not always present, plus the genes for its receptors seem to be inoperative. But as it turns out, regular mammalian nasal tissue seems to be able to pick up pheromones just fine—at least in some animals. For example, sows, upon smelling a pheromone in boars' saliva, assume a mating stance, even if researchers plug the pigs' VNOs. In humans, a 2011 study showed that when volunteers were exposed to androstadienone, all their brains showed a reaction, even if they lacked VNOs or had their VNOs blocked. "The VNO need not be the pheromone-sensing organ," Wysocki says. "The olfactory system can be the input.

I'll assume you're a virgin. Anyone who's been in a relationship knows that while sight and sound might attract you from a distance, once you're in close proximity to your mate it is the olfactory clues that seal the deal.

And that's a learned behavior. Look at the psychology of developing sexuality in children. By definition, pheromones elicit an unlearned behavior, sorta like instinct or reflex.

Just because you can smell something, associate it with your particular attraction, and get horny, does not mean it's a pheromone.

-TG

[MudPuppy]

Female Pubic Hair Removal Statistics by age and sexual orientation from The Journal of Sexual Medicine.

[tzor]

I'll assume you're a virgin. Anyone who's been in a relationship knows that while sight and sound might attract you from a distance, once you're in close proximity to your mate it is the olfactory clues that seal the deal.

That reminds me of an old table I saw in my "non verbal communication" course in college that went through the various non verbal communication channels at distances from meters to millimeters. Needless to say at the later distances, touch, smell and taste are the only channels open.