Obama commutes Chelsea Manning's sentence

[saxitoxin]

I think you too are mixing up a commutation with a pardon, Patches. If Obama wanted to condone whistleblowing, he could have pardoned Manning. A commutation of a sentence is not a pardon. It's leniency, true, but not a pardon.

I support some kind of whistleblowing, sure, and maybe Drake deserves a pardon, but I see that as a seperate issue from the Manning commutaion. I don't think Obama has been particularly easy on whistleblowers anyway.

Saxi started this by getting muddled on the difference between a pardon and a commutation. It's a confusion that seems to have spread. Now you're muddying the waters even further by suggesting that Russian intelligence hacking the DNC is somehow equivalent?

Symm - you're kind-of mixing up a commutation with a pardon. Drake can't have his sentence commuted beause his sentence has been fulfilled. He could only be pardoned.

[2dimes]

You better show some respect Saxi, you're typing to an international kiddie porn lawyer for goodness sake.

[Dukasaur]

You better show some respect Saxi, you're typing to an International Kiddie Porn Lawyer of Mystery for goodness sake.

fixed

[Symmetry]

I think you too are mixing up a commutation with a pardon, Patches. If Obama wanted to condone whistleblowing, he could have pardoned Manning. A commutation of a sentence is not a pardon. It's leniency, true, but not a pardon.

I support some kind of whistleblowing, sure, and maybe Drake deserves a pardon, but I see that as a seperate issue from the Manning commutaion. I don't think Obama has been particularly easy on whistleblowers anyway.

Saxi started this by getting muddled on the difference between a pardon and a commutation. It's a confusion that seems to have spread. Now you're muddying the waters even further by suggesting that Russian intelligence hacking the DNC is somehow equivalent?

Symm - you're kind-of mixing up a commutation with a pardon. Drake can't have his sentence commuted beause his sentence has been fulfilled. He could only be pardoned.

It's a done deal now anyway Saxi. Start petitioning Trump.

[saxitoxin]

I think you too are mixing up a commutation with a pardon, Patches. If Obama wanted to condone whistleblowing, he could have pardoned Manning. A commutation of a sentence is not a pardon. It's leniency, true, but not a pardon.

I support some kind of whistleblowing, sure, and maybe Drake deserves a pardon, but I see that as a seperate issue from the Manning commutaion. I don't think Obama has been particularly easy on whistleblowers anyway.

Saxi started this by getting muddled on the difference between a pardon and a commutation. It's a confusion that seems to have spread. Now you're muddying the waters even further by suggesting that Russian intelligence hacking the DNC is somehow equivalent?

Symm - you're kind-of mixing up a commutation with a pardon. Drake can't have his sentence commuted beause his sentence has been fulfilled. He could only be pardoned.

It's a done deal now anyway Saxi. Start petitioning Trump.

good point, I guess we'll have to wait for Trump to clean up Obama's mess

[2dimes]

good point, I guess we'll have to wait for Trump to clean up Obama's mess

If you mean the restroom near the Oval Office I bet there's staff for that.

[Symmetry]

good point, I guess we'll have to wait for Trump to clean up Obama's mess

If you mean the restroom near the Oval Office I bet there's staff for that.

I'd take that bet too- the amount of crap that Trump produces, there's gonna have to be a dedicated clean-up crew.

[riskllama]

good point, I guess we'll have to wait for Trump to clean up Obama's mess

If you mean the restroom near the Oval Office I bet there's staff for that.

https://youtu.be/WJLPDGjNjRI

[karel]

obama should be kicked out of the usa,piece of crap that he is,like the rest of his lame goon squad

[Symmetry]

obama should be kicked out of the usa,piece of crap that he is,like the rest of his lame goon squad

Damn right- screwing up the country by providing healthcare to people. He should go back where he came from. Hawaii can have him, the US doesn't want him.

[warmonger1981]

obama should be kicked out of the usa,piece of crap that he is,like the rest of his lame goon squad

Damn right- screwing up the country by forcing people to buy healthcare or face a penalty. He should go back where he came from. Hawaii can have him, the US doesn't want him.

You're corrected. No thanks needed. We all know the Obamacare has gone up in premium instead of down. Sounds like a great deal and don't forget.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iGAdrQ2RpdM

[karel]

are you stupid?really healthcare to everyone,dude get your damn fact right,not everyone can afford to get healthcare,so they pay a fine,cuz they dont have it,to me thats not healthcare,even a 3rd grader can see that....all you democrapts arer the same so full of yourselfs,it make me to want to vomit on you all.....obama had a twat scared to do anything but to put us further in debt,trump has balls,he is creating jobs,something that obama could not do.......put a end to these lame ass states that want to protect illegals,i hope he cuts all funding to them states,once again they broke the law,you all should try and read it,if you snowflakes can even read,thats whats wrong with this country you all want your shit for free instead of working for it,this is why 20 something generation will kill this country

[riskllama]

but I thought you guys are supposed to fear Muslims/ISIS??? Trump's gonna take aim at a whole generation of shiftless layabouts, as well? he's so prolific!!! TRUMP!!!

[karel]

we dont need or want muslims here,they should stay right were they at,hope he puts a ban on them,we sure as hell dont want them in my state

[saxitoxin]

Damn right- screwing up the country by providing healthcare to people.

there's a difference between insurance and healthcare

- insurance is a legal document
- healthcare is access to a medical services

Obamacare's Band Aid & Aspirin insurance policies for poor people don't really count as "healthcare" in any reality outside the factory hospitals of the NHS.

like "pardon" vs "commutation" I think you're confused again

[mrswdk]

saxi hats human rights!!!!!!1/!

[Symmetry]

Damn right- screwing up the country by providing healthcare to people.

there's a difference between insurance and healthcare

- insurance is a legal document
- healthcare is access to a medical services

Obamacare's Band Aid & Aspirin insurance policies for poor people don't really count as "healthcare" in any reality outside the factory hospitals of the NHS.

like "pardon" vs "commutation" I think you're confused again

You've really bought in to the "alternative facts" part of the Trump era haven't you?

It's weird how many people took issue with Obama providing healthcare, but didn't have an issue with the suggestion that being born in Hawaii made him non-American.

Funny that.

[saxitoxin]

took issue with Obama providing healthcare

there's a difference between insurance and healthcare

- insurance is a legal document
- healthcare is access to a medical services

Obamacare's Band Aid & Aspirin insurance policies for poor people don't really count as "healthcare" in any reality outside the factory hospitals of the NHS.

like "pardon" vs "commutation" I think you're confused again

[TA1LGUNN3R]

*hearty chuckle*

You don't know, saxi, maybe Obama puts on scrubs on the weekends and takes blood pressure readings at the clinic.

-TG

[BoganGod]

*hearty chuckle*

You don't know, saxi, maybe Obama puts on scrubs on the weekends and takes blood pressure readings at the clinic.

-TG

Seeking samples for spirit cooking sessions with Poo duster and co.

[riskllama]

*hearty chuckle*

You don't know, saxi, maybe Obama puts on scrubs on the weekends and takes blood pressure readings at the clinic.

-TG

, using the moniker, "Dr. Acula"...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Eeeeaaaaagggggglllllleeeeee!!!!

[Symmetry]

*hearty chuckle*

You don't know, saxi, maybe Obama puts on scrubs on the weekends and takes blood pressure readings at the clinic.

-TG

Well, he certainly put on scrubs and provided healthcare directly while in office:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/politics/obama-walter-reed-military.html?_r=0

In his first two years in office, as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan raged and there were many wounded, Mr. Obama’s trips to Walter Reed were three- and four-hour slogs during which he donned fresh hospital gowns and gloves outside every fifth room to see patients clinging to life days or weeks after being blown apart. He returned to the White House visibly drained, aides said.

More recently, he has done push-ups and other exercises with newly minted civilians who, instead of struggling to live, are trying to find ways of coping without arms, legs or equilibrium months and years after being wounded.

“The first term, our visits would last for hours because there would be 25, 50, 75 folks that we’d be seeing, going room to room, many with devastating injuries,” Michelle Obama, who has made her own trips to Walter Reed, said recently. “And now, today, just last week he went to visit, and he was there for 30 minutes because there are fewer of our men and women who are being injured in war.”

But hey, if you're gonna take the piss for that, we're unlikely to get anywhere with this. You'll end up loopy like Saxi.

[patches70]

Well, he certainly put on scrubs and provided healthcare directly while in office:

Wait, are you saying that Obama, himself, was providing medical services for sick and injured people? Does he have a medical license? Practicing medicine without a license is a serious crime, sym, not to mention unsafe, ill advised and stupid. You hate Obama that much to accuse him of committing such crimes?

Your hatred of our first black President must be racism. You should be ashamed of yourself. I don't believe for a second that Obama provided such healthcare himself to anyone while in office or outside of office. Obama providing health services himself at hospital, you are a hoot, sym. Full of shit, yes, but also a hoot.

[Symmetry]

Well, he certainly put on scrubs and provided healthcare directly while in office:

Wait, are you saying that Obama, himself, was providing medical services for sick and injured people? Does he have a medical license? Practicing medicine without a license is a serious crime, sym, not to mention unsafe, ill advised and stupid. You hate Obama that much to accuse him of committing such crimes?

Your hatred of our first black President must be racism. You should be ashamed of yourself. I don't believe for a second that Obama provided such healthcare himself to anyone while in office or outside of office. Obama providing health services himself at hospital, you are a hoot, sym. Full of shit, yes, but also a hoot.

You don't need a medical licence to provide healthcare, Patches. You've gotten yourself on to one of your weird rants based on a flawed premise. Again.