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waauw wrote:tzor wrote:Yes a 19 year old person having sex with a 16 is troubling,
Must be the catholic in you talking.
owenshooter wrote:shocker... another thread advocating pedophilia by a member that posted underage rape porn and somehow evaded any punishment...-Bj
2dimes wrote:Is the difference in age not enough?
Dukasaur wrote:Some of the girls I knew in high school had very well-developed frontal lobes.
tzor wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Some of the girls I knew in high school had very well-developed frontal lobes.
You mean the ones that kept telling you, "NO!"
mrswdk wrote:owenshooter wrote:shocker... another thread advocating pedophilia by a member that posted underage rape porn and somehow evaded any punishment...-Bj
I'm surprised a self-styled black dude is in here getting outraged at inter-generational love. The persona clearly needs a little more work before you get it fully consistent.
mrswdk wrote:Yeah like waauw says, in Europe people understand that consent is consent no matter the age of the consenter.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
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GabonX wrote:mrswdk wrote:Yeah like waauw says, in Europe people understand that consent is consent no matter the age of the consenter.
Consent is not enough.
Thorthoth wrote:Since this involved a 12 year old that everyone was ready to believe was 16-20 years old (!?), the laws on statutory rape should be changed from being based on numerical age to being based on physical (& mental) development.
Come to think of it all those laws about driving, voting, drinking, etc should also be determined that way.
But controlling idiots prefer meaningless & arbitrary, but easily-measured criteria rather than having to deal with meaningful factors that will involve grey areas subject to debate.
Dukasaur wrote:Thorthoth wrote:Since this involved a 12 year old that everyone was ready to believe was 16-20 years old (!?), the laws on statutory rape should be changed from being based on numerical age to being based on physical (& mental) development.
Come to think of it all those laws about driving, voting, drinking, etc should also be determined that way.
But controlling idiots prefer meaningless & arbitrary, but easily-measured criteria rather than having to deal with meaningful factors that will involve grey areas subject to debate.
I would agree with your first two paragraphs, but not the third.
Arbitrary, easily-measured criteria are used because they are efficient, not because of "controlling idiots." Nobody has the time or resources to spend five days evaluating whether someone is mature enough to vote, or drive, or drink, or blow goats. We use an arbitrary number because it's quick and efficient. It makes the process affordable. Otherwise, every such determination would cost as much as your average court case, and in six weeks the nation would be bankrupt.
It's the same as our personal lives. We all make snap judgements about others based on the flimsiest evidence, and our judgements are often wrong, but it's cheaper to make some mistakes than to do some kind of mammoth battery of psych eval tests on every person we deal with. It's easy enough to imagine an ideal world where everyone is judged fairly, but in the real world there just isn't time. There quite literally isn't enough time.
Thorthoth wrote:And yes, the powers of the judiciary are often disturbing.
Personal preferences and arcane interpretations by judges (usually appointed) can so easily undo the legislation made by democratically-elected politicians.
Thorthoth wrote:So much for democracy...
waauw wrote:tzor wrote:Yes a 19 year old person having sex with a 16 is troubling,
Must be the catholic in you talking.
Dukasaur wrote:Thorthoth wrote:So much for democracy...
Unrestricted democracy is just mob rule. Today the mob is pissed off at the Muslims, kill all the Muslims. Tomorrow the mob is pissed off at the businessmen, kill all the businessmen. The day after that, there will be an unsubstantiated rumour that genetically modified corn causes breast cancer, kill all the geneticists. In six months you're looking at Mad Max world.
Stable democracies have reasonable safeguards to prevent the childish temper tantrums of the mob from bubbling over, or at least to slow them down until the mob has a chance to stop and rethink.
tzor wrote:Everyone needs to go back to the original article.
It was what others would call a "statutory" rape, in that a 12 year old can't give consent even if she wanted to.
The important delta here is ONE YEAR. If she had been 13 consent would be possible.
She made such a convincing case of being four years older (16) that officers looking for underage children thought she was 16. So did other eyewitnesses.
Yes a 19 year old person having sex with a 16 is troubling, and a 12 year old trying to pretend to be 16 to have sex is even more troubling.
Moral of the story: Always ask to see the birth certificate.
Talapus wrote:I'm far more pissed that mandy and his thought process were right from the get go....damn you mandy.
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Certificates can be forged, while grey hair and little mustache can be accomplished by cosmetics or an unhealthy life style.
Be smart, carbon date your date.
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