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Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:54 am

I have been thinking about DACA:

On June 15, 2012, President Obama created a new policy calling for deferred action for certain undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as children. Applications under the program which is called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”) began on August 15, 2012.

I am not sure how many are under DACA. I think that those who are can become citizens at some point if:

1) They have a full-time job or

2) they are CURRENTLY a full-time student (they CANNOT have 6 months to become one);

3) They have no criminal record;

4) They are not receiving "welfare" such as AFDC, unemployment benefits, EBT ("Food Stamps"), or similar government handouts.

Those who tried to do something legal to give them some path to citizenship should be given that opportunity, if they are legally productive and are not crimimals or welfare recipients.

This path to citizenship should be a one-time program and should be only available to those who are registered CURRENLTLY under the program. (NOTE: ***At this time, Immigration Equality does not recommend that you file for DACA if you have never done so before.*** http://www.immigrationequality.org/get- ... -arrivals/)

When President Reagan gave citizenship to illegal immigrants in the 1980's what happened? EVEN more came in the hope of getting citizenship. It was supposed to be a one-time program, but ultimately encouraged MORE ILLEGAL immigration.

So President Obama ILLEGALLY (as per the US Constitution) allows ILLEGAL Aliens to stay,THEN there is a LEGAL problem here. AND THIS promotes respect for the law? Y como se dice "ILLEGAL"?

I think it is to our advantage to keep in this country hard-working and productive young DACA persons. If they have a criminal record and/or are on welfare, then those should be deported. IMMEDIATELY. NO hearings needed.

To me, the bottom line is that we as a country

1) cannot open our doors to every poor person who wants to come here. And

2) We cannot pay "welfare" to all these poor ILLEGAL immigrants.

3) We have too many individuals on welfare NOW, among those who are already citizens.

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Re: DACA

Postby Bernie Sanders on Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:28 am

As far as "3" is concerned, we have to many rich folks on Corporate welfare. I say strip these leeches of society of their American citizenship and send them to the country where they have their offshore bank accounts and Corporate offices to avoid paying their fair share in taxes.
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Re: DACA

Postby tzor on Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:38 am

One of the problems of DACA is the criteria which you summarized as "no criminal record." It is, in fact, "Not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors." Unfortunately, given the state of the court system on both sides of the bench a lot of DACA people being brought to trial on felony charges are plea bargaining (well their lawyers are) the charges down to misdemeanors in order to keep them in the country.

The current law going through congress is even worse in allowing criminals to stay in the country. Crime and immigration: What's in the Dream Act
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Re: DACA

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Those were my ideas for reform and consideration. Tzor, NOT what the ILLEGAL Presidential order DACA promulagated. I am hopeful that Trump or the Congress address these issues sensibly.

That is almost as unlikely as sensible dialogue and discussion in this Forum, I know. The politicians reflect what the people do and believe and NOT Lead; very ODD, ain't it?

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tzor wrote:One of the problems of DACA is the criteria which you summarized as "no criminal record." It is, in fact, "Not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors." Unfortunately, given the state of the court system on both sides of the bench a lot of DACA people being brought to trial on felony charges are plea bargaining (well their lawyers are) the charges down to misdemeanors in order to keep them in the country.

The current law going through congress is even worse in allowing criminals to stay in the country. Crime and immigration: What's in the Dream Act
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Re: DACA

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:42 pm

tzor wrote:One of the problems of DACA is the criteria which you summarized as "no criminal record." It is, in fact, "Not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors." Unfortunately, given the state of the court system on both sides of the bench a lot of DACA people being brought to trial on felony charges are plea bargaining (well their lawyers are) the charges down to misdemeanors in order to keep them in the country.

The current law going through congress is even worse in allowing criminals to stay in the country. Crime and immigration: What's in the Dream Act


I don't know anything about this topic other than what I just read in your link, so forgive me if I'm wrong. However, it seems to me they're drawing a line at 90 days incarceration for something to be treated as a serious crime. Given the draconian sentences that are usually handed out in the U.S., I imagine an offense that gets less than 90 days is pretty trivial indeed. Something along the lines of public drunkenness. I'm not a lawyer but I've read a lot of lawyers' memoirs and I watch a lot of true-crime shows, and I constantly see U.S. courts giving out multi-year sentences for really trivial assaults and petty thefts. So, 90 days may actually result in disqualifying anyone who's done something more drastic than pissing in a parking lot.
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Re: DACA

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:09 am

Duk,

Your statement is why I want to encourage dialogue on this matter, especially on being employed, being a student, and criminal record. I too am not a lawyer, but I hopefully offered a "common sense" criteria, that can be further defined by lawyers.

Hey, doesn't Congress have a HUGE group of lawyers who need more WORK? I am not sure I can trust them, but they need to look into this and offer SOME REASONABLE ideas and then craft a REASONABLE plan.

And do their JOB and do this LEGALLY, unlike the former CONSTITUTIONAL Lawyer who did DACA ILLEGALLY. (I will concede he that LIKELY tried to do something since Congress LIKELY blocked his attempts at reforms and a law or legislation. I am not a news junkie that reads ALL about this.)

At least President Trump gave Congress 6 months to come up with SOMETHING, like a law or legislation.

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tzor wrote:One of the problems of DACA is the criteria which you summarized as "no criminal record." It is, in fact, "Not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors." Unfortunately, given the state of the court system on both sides of the bench a lot of DACA people being brought to trial on felony charges are plea bargaining (well their lawyers are) the charges down to misdemeanors in order to keep them in the country.

The current law going through congress is even worse in allowing criminals to stay in the country. Crime and immigration: What's in the Dream Act


I don't know anything about this topic other than what I just read in your link, so forgive me if I'm wrong. However, it seems to me they're drawing a line at 90 days incarceration for something to be treated as a serious crime. Given the draconian sentences that are usually handed out in the U.S., I imagine an offense that gets less than 90 days is pretty trivial indeed. Something along the lines of public drunkenness. I'm not a lawyer but I've read a lot of lawyers' memoirs and I watch a lot of true-crime shows, and I constantly see U.S. courts giving out multi-year sentences for really trivial assaults and petty thefts. So, 90 days may actually result in disqualifying anyone who's done something more drastic than pissing in a parking lot.
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Re: DACA

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:28 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Duk,

Your statement is why I want to encourage dialogue on this matter, especially on being employed, being a student, and criminal record. I too am not a lawyer, but I hopefully offered a "common sense" criteria, that can be further defined by lawyers.

Hey, doesn't Congress have a HUGE group of lawyers who need more WORK? I am not sure I can trust them, but they need to look into this and offer SOME REASONABLE ideas and then craft a REASONABLE plan.

And do their JOB and do this LEGALLY, unlike the former CONSTITUTIONAL Lawyer who did DACA ILLEGALLY. (I will concede he that LIKELY tried to do something since Congress LIKELY blocked his attempts at reforms and a law or legislation. I am not a news junkie that reads ALL about this.)

At least President Trump gave Congress 6 months to come up with SOMETHING, like a law or legislation.

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tzor wrote:One of the problems of DACA is the criteria which you summarized as "no criminal record." It is, in fact, "Not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors." Unfortunately, given the state of the court system on both sides of the bench a lot of DACA people being brought to trial on felony charges are plea bargaining (well their lawyers are) the charges down to misdemeanors in order to keep them in the country.

The current law going through congress is even worse in allowing criminals to stay in the country. Crime and immigration: What's in the Dream Act


I don't know anything about this topic other than what I just read in your link, so forgive me if I'm wrong. However, it seems to me they're drawing a line at 90 days incarceration for something to be treated as a serious crime. Given the draconian sentences that are usually handed out in the U.S., I imagine an offense that gets less than 90 days is pretty trivial indeed. Something along the lines of public drunkenness. I'm not a lawyer but I've read a lot of lawyers' memoirs and I watch a lot of true-crime shows, and I constantly see U.S. courts giving out multi-year sentences for really trivial assaults and petty thefts. So, 90 days may actually result in disqualifying anyone who's done something more drastic than pissing in a parking lot.


To say DACA was illegal is wrong. Did I miss a Supreme Court decision saying this Executive Order was unconstitutional?

You can go ahead and parrot right-wing b.s.
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Re: DACA

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:26 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:To say DACA was illegal is wrong. Did I miss a Supreme Court decision saying this Executive Order was unconstitutional?


However, if Obama had brought it in by executive order, Trump wouldn't now be able to whisk it away by executive order.

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Re: DACA

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:31 pm

To help Bernie, I will offer the following, from Wikipedia:

DACA May be unconstitutional

United States v. Texas, 579 U.S. ___ (2016), is a United States Supreme Court case regarding the constitutionality of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program.
In a one-line per curiam decision, an equally divided Court affirmed the lower-court injunction blocking the President's program. The case had been decided by an eight-member bench due to the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Texas

Supreme Court of the United States
On November 10, 2015, the Justice Department announced it would ask the Supreme Court to reverse.[29] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton attempted to prolong consideration of the case until the next October term but the Supreme Court only granted him an eight-day extension to file his opposition brief.[30] The Justice Department further hastened the case by waiving its right to file a reply brief.[31] On January 19, 2016 the Supreme Court agreed to review the case.[32] The Court took the unusual step of asking for briefing on the new constitutional question as to whether or not DAPA violates the Take Care Clause.[33]

Due to the subsequent death of Justice Antonin Scalia, the case was decided by eight justices. On April 18, 2016, the Court heard ninety minutes of oral arguments from Donald B. Verrilli Jr., the Solicitor General of the United States, an attorney for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund as an intervenor in support of the Government, Texas Solicitor General Scott Keller for the several states, and a Bancroft PLLC attorney representing the United States House of Representatives as a friend of Texas.[34] Commentators complained that the arguments were "one of the most flagrant examples in recent memory of a naked political dispute masquerading as a legal one."[35]

On June 23, 2016, the Supreme Court announced it had deadlocked 4-4 in a decision that read, in its entirety, “The judgement is affirmed by an equally divided court.”[36] The ruling set no precedent and simply left in place the lower court’s preliminary injunction blocking the program.[36] The case may reach the Supreme Court again after Judge Hanen has held a trial.[36]

President Obama immediately held a press conference criticizing the decision, where he blamed “spasms of politics around immigration and fear-mongering” as well as Senate Republicans for refusing to consider his nominee for the Supreme Court, Merrick Garland.[36][37] Former acting Solicitor General Walter Dellinger observed “seldom have the hopes of so many been crushed by so few words”.[36] Texas Attorney General Paxton praised the result because “This is a major setback to President Obama’s attempts to expand executive power, and a victory for those who believe in the separation of powers and the rule of law.”[36]



Legal challenges
See also: United States v. Texas

The legality of DACA and its proposed expansions were challenged in court. But only the expansions were halted under a preliminary injunction. Legal experts are divided as to the constitutionality of DACA, but no court has yet to rule it unconstitutional.[57].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_ ... challenges

The challenge that was granted a preliminary injunction was filed on December 2014 by Texas and 25 other states—all with Republican governors. The group of states sued to enjoin the implementation of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA)—another immigration policy—and the DACA expansions announced by the Obama administration.[62][63][64] In the lawsuit, the states claimed that, by expanding DACA, the president failed to enforce the nation’s immigration laws in contravention to Article Two of the U.S. Constitution.[65][b] Moreover, the states claimed that the president unilaterally rewrote the law through his actions.[66] As part of the judicial process, in February 2015, Judge Andrew S. Hanen issued a preliminary injunction blocking the expansion from going into effect while the case, Texas v. United States, proceeded.[30][31] After progressing through the court system, an equally divided (4–4) Supreme Court left the injunction in place, without setting any precedent.[32] The court's temporary injunction did not affect the existing DACA. At the time, individuals were allowed to continue to come forward and request an initial grant of DACA or renewal of DACA under the guidelines established in 2012.[40]

Regardless of the outcome of the preliminary injunction, legal opinions on the lawfulness of DACA are divided. In United States v. Texas, for instance, the Obama administration argued that the policy was a lawful exercise of the enforcement discretion that Congress delegated to the executive branch in the Immigration and Nationality Act, which charges the executive with the administration and enforcement of the country’s immigration laws.[67] Conversely, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, opined that DACA was unlawful by asserting that it unconstitutionally usurped Congress' role over immigration by illegally allowing certain classes of illegal aliens to violate U.S. immigration law with impunity.[68]

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Dukasaur wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:To say DACA was illegal is wrong. Did I miss a Supreme Court decision saying this Executive Order was unconstitutional?


However, if Obama had brought it in by executive order, Trump wouldn't now be able to whisk it away by executive order.

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Re: DACA

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:18 am

Whenever I hear about this policy I can't help but think of that old pop song. Not sure what it's called or who sings it but it's really upbeat, goes something along the lines of 'don't you know that I'm a dreamer, a dobi dobi dobi dobi dreamer'. Sung by a fairly high-pitched male. Anyone know it?
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Re: DACA

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:18 am

jusplay4fun wrote:To help Bernie, I will offer the following, from Wikipedia:

DACA May be unconstitutional

United States v. Texas, 579 U.S. ___ (2016), is a United States Supreme Court case regarding the constitutionality of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program.
In a one-line per curiam decision, an equally divided Court affirmed the lower-court injunction blocking the President's program. The case had been decided by an eight-member bench due to the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Texas

Supreme Court of the United States
On November 10, 2015, the Justice Department announced it would ask the Supreme Court to reverse.[29] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton attempted to prolong consideration of the case until the next October term but the Supreme Court only granted him an eight-day extension to file his opposition brief.[30] The Justice Department further hastened the case by waiving its right to file a reply brief.[31] On January 19, 2016 the Supreme Court agreed to review the case.[32] The Court took the unusual step of asking for briefing on the new constitutional question as to whether or not DAPA violates the Take Care Clause.[33]

Due to the subsequent death of Justice Antonin Scalia, the case was decided by eight justices. On April 18, 2016, the Court heard ninety minutes of oral arguments from Donald B. Verrilli Jr., the Solicitor General of the United States, an attorney for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund as an intervenor in support of the Government, Texas Solicitor General Scott Keller for the several states, and a Bancroft PLLC attorney representing the United States House of Representatives as a friend of Texas.[34] Commentators complained that the arguments were "one of the most flagrant examples in recent memory of a naked political dispute masquerading as a legal one."[35]

On June 23, 2016, the Supreme Court announced it had deadlocked 4-4 in a decision that read, in its entirety, “The judgement is affirmed by an equally divided court.”[36] The ruling set no precedent and simply left in place the lower court’s preliminary injunction blocking the program.[36] The case may reach the Supreme Court again after Judge Hanen has held a trial.[36]

President Obama immediately held a press conference criticizing the decision, where he blamed “spasms of politics around immigration and fear-mongering” as well as Senate Republicans for refusing to consider his nominee for the Supreme Court, Merrick Garland.[36][37] Former acting Solicitor General Walter Dellinger observed “seldom have the hopes of so many been crushed by so few words”.[36] Texas Attorney General Paxton praised the result because “This is a major setback to President Obama’s attempts to expand executive power, and a victory for those who believe in the separation of powers and the rule of law.”[36]



Legal challenges
See also: United States v. Texas

The legality of DACA and its proposed expansions were challenged in court. But only the expansions were halted under a preliminary injunction. Legal experts are divided as to the constitutionality of DACA, but no court has yet to rule it unconstitutional.[57].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_ ... challenges

The challenge that was granted a preliminary injunction was filed on December 2014 by Texas and 25 other states—all with Republican governors. The group of states sued to enjoin the implementation of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA)—another immigration policy—and the DACA expansions announced by the Obama administration.[62][63][64] In the lawsuit, the states claimed that, by expanding DACA, the president failed to enforce the nation’s immigration laws in contravention to Article Two of the U.S. Constitution.[65][b] Moreover, the states claimed that the president unilaterally rewrote the law through his actions.[66] As part of the judicial process, in February 2015, Judge Andrew S. Hanen issued a preliminary injunction blocking the expansion from going into effect while the case, Texas v. United States, proceeded.[30][31] After progressing through the court system, an equally divided (4–4) Supreme Court left the injunction in place, without setting any precedent.[32] The court's temporary injunction did not affect the existing DACA. At the time, individuals were allowed to continue to come forward and request an initial grant of DACA or renewal of DACA under the guidelines established in 2012.[40]

Regardless of the outcome of the preliminary injunction, legal opinions on the lawfulness of DACA are divided. In United States v. Texas, for instance, the Obama administration argued that the policy was a lawful exercise of the enforcement discretion that Congress delegated to the executive branch in the Immigration and Nationality Act, which charges the executive with the administration and enforcement of the country’s immigration laws.[67] Conversely, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, opined that DACA was unlawful by asserting that it unconstitutionally usurped Congress' role over immigration by illegally allowing certain classes of illegal aliens to violate U.S. immigration law with impunity.[68]

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Bernie Sanders wrote:To say DACA was illegal is wrong. Did I miss a Supreme Court decision saying this Executive Order was unconstitutional?


However, if Obama had brought it in by executive order, Trump wouldn't now be able to whisk it away by executive order.

Once upon a time there was an idea in the U.S. that the Congress should do the legislating. Sadly, this idea has been under attack almost from the beginning, and in the last 50 years has become almost extinct.



Nice copy\paste job.

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Re: DACA

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:33 am

Again, Bernie fails to deal with the issue, resorting instead to banal comments and facetious attempts at insults. Grow up bernie; learn something.

b probably did not even take time to READ any of the relevant discussion of legalities.

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Re: DACA

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:45 am

Bernie made a great point that Hillary Clinton - a central member of the Obama administration - was a crook who abused and broke the law whenever she saw fit, even in the course of carrying out her official duties.

Her actions throw a shadow over all legislation passed by the Obama administration by association. Every time Trump undoes a law passed by Obama's government he is therefore helping remove the shadow of corruption that hangs over US law-making. Democrats and Republicans alike should be queuing up to shake his hand for repealing DACA.
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Re: DACA

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:12 am

mrswdk wrote:Bernie made a great point that Hillary Clinton - a central member of the Obama administration - was a crook who abused and broke the law whenever she saw fit, even in the course of carrying out her official duties.

Her actions throw a shadow over all legislation passed by the Obama administration by association. Every time Trump undoes a law passed by Obama's government he is therefore helping remove the shadow of corruption that hangs over US law-making. Democrats and Republicans alike should be queuing up to shake his hand for repealing DACA.



Clinton going to jail?



Guess who really is going to be locked up?
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Re: DACA

Postby 2dimes on Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:38 pm

mrswdk wrote:Whenever I hear about this policy I can't help but think of that old pop song. Not sure what it's called or who sings it but it's really upbeat, goes something along the lines of 'don't you know that I'm a dreamer, a dobi dobi dobi dobi dreamer'. Sung by a fairly high-pitched male. Anyone know it?


Can you put your hands in your head? Oh no.

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Re: DACA

Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:58 pm

Nailed it! :D

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Re: DACA

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:35 pm

I never denied I copied and pasted. At least it shows some thought, UNLIKE you. My posts show thought and considers the issues; all you want to do is to resort to tactics of a 4 year old. Grow up.

You're JUS FULL of SHIT, b. grow up, and take a dump. You need to do BOTH. The DUMP is a seriously need, b; try sitting and THINKING as you sit.

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jusplay4fun wrote:To help Bernie, I will offer the following, from Wikipedia:

DACA May be unconstitutional

United States v. Texas, 579 U.S. ___ (2016), is a United States Supreme Court case regarding the constitutionality of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) program.
In a one-line per curiam decision, an equally divided Court affirmed the lower-court injunction blocking the President's program. The case had been decided by an eight-member bench due to the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Texas

Supreme Court of the United States
On November 10, 2015, the Justice Department announced it would ask the Supreme Court to reverse.[29] Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton attempted to prolong consideration of the case until the next October term but the Supreme Court only granted him an eight-day extension to file his opposition brief.[30] The Justice Department further hastened the case by waiving its right to file a reply brief.[31] On January 19, 2016 the Supreme Court agreed to review the case.[32] The Court took the unusual step of asking for briefing on the new constitutional question as to whether or not DAPA violates the Take Care Clause.[33]

Due to the subsequent death of Justice Antonin Scalia, the case was decided by eight justices. On April 18, 2016, the Court heard ninety minutes of oral arguments from Donald B. Verrilli Jr., the Solicitor General of the United States, an attorney for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund as an intervenor in support of the Government, Texas Solicitor General Scott Keller for the several states, and a Bancroft PLLC attorney representing the United States House of Representatives as a friend of Texas.[34] Commentators complained that the arguments were "one of the most flagrant examples in recent memory of a naked political dispute masquerading as a legal one."[35]

On June 23, 2016, the Supreme Court announced it had deadlocked 4-4 in a decision that read, in its entirety, “The judgement is affirmed by an equally divided court.”[36] The ruling set no precedent and simply left in place the lower court’s preliminary injunction blocking the program.[36] The case may reach the Supreme Court again after Judge Hanen has held a trial.[36]

President Obama immediately held a press conference criticizing the decision, where he blamed “spasms of politics around immigration and fear-mongering” as well as Senate Republicans for refusing to consider his nominee for the Supreme Court, Merrick Garland.[36][37] Former acting Solicitor General Walter Dellinger observed “seldom have the hopes of so many been crushed by so few words”.[36] Texas Attorney General Paxton praised the result because “This is a major setback to President Obama’s attempts to expand executive power, and a victory for those who believe in the separation of powers and the rule of law.”[36]



Legal challenges
See also: United States v. Texas

The legality of DACA and its proposed expansions were challenged in court. But only the expansions were halted under a preliminary injunction. Legal experts are divided as to the constitutionality of DACA, but no court has yet to rule it unconstitutional.[57].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_ ... challenges

The challenge that was granted a preliminary injunction was filed on December 2014 by Texas and 25 other states—all with Republican governors. The group of states sued to enjoin the implementation of the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA)—another immigration policy—and the DACA expansions announced by the Obama administration.[62][63][64] In the lawsuit, the states claimed that, by expanding DACA, the president failed to enforce the nation’s immigration laws in contravention to Article Two of the U.S. Constitution.[65][b] Moreover, the states claimed that the president unilaterally rewrote the law through his actions.[66] As part of the judicial process, in February 2015, Judge Andrew S. Hanen issued a preliminary injunction blocking the expansion from going into effect while the case, Texas v. United States, proceeded.[30][31] After progressing through the court system, an equally divided (4–4) Supreme Court left the injunction in place, without setting any precedent.[32] The court's temporary injunction did not affect the existing DACA. At the time, individuals were allowed to continue to come forward and request an initial grant of DACA or renewal of DACA under the guidelines established in 2012.[40]

Regardless of the outcome of the preliminary injunction, legal opinions on the lawfulness of DACA are divided. In United States v. Texas, for instance, the Obama administration argued that the policy was a lawful exercise of the enforcement discretion that Congress delegated to the executive branch in the Immigration and Nationality Act, which charges the executive with the administration and enforcement of the country’s immigration laws.[67] Conversely, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, opined that DACA was unlawful by asserting that it unconstitutionally usurped Congress' role over immigration by illegally allowing certain classes of illegal aliens to violate U.S. immigration law with impunity.[68]

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Dukasaur wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:To say DACA was illegal is wrong. Did I miss a Supreme Court decision saying this Executive Order was unconstitutional?


However, if Obama had brought it in by executive order, Trump wouldn't now be able to whisk it away by executive order.

Once upon a time there was an idea in the U.S. that the Congress should do the legislating. Sadly, this idea has been under attack almost from the beginning, and in the last 50 years has become almost extinct.



Nice copy\paste job.

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Re: DACA

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jusplay4fun wrote:You're JUS FULL of SHIT, b. grow up, and take a dump. You need to do BOTH. The DUMP is seriously need
betiko wrote:When exactly has china not been the king of the world?

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Re: DACA

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:24 am

Great reply. You argue policy so well. Your thought process is so amazing, full of astute observations.

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jusplay4fun wrote:You're JUS FULL of SHIT, b. grow up, and take a dump. You need to do BOTH. The DUMP is seriously need
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Postby mrswdk on Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:32 am

jusplay4fun wrote:You're JUS FULL of SHIT, b. grow up, and take a dump. You need to do BOTH. The DUMP is seriously need


jusplay4fun wrote:Great reply. You argue policy so well. Your thought process is so amazing, full of astute observations.
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Postby tzor on Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:48 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:Clinton going to jail?


She will have to; she has no other choice. I think they are the only ones who are buying her book lately. :twisted:
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tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Clinton going to jail?


She will have to; she has no other choice. I think they are the only ones who are buying her book lately. :twisted:



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Mueller is closing in. Indictment coming soon for Manafort. The whole Trump administration is filled with Russian collaborators. I have not seen as much collaboration since The Vichy regime.
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Postby tzor on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:07 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:Mueller is closing in. Indictment coming soon for Manafort.


There will be no indictment. There will be a communist style torture session where they will threaten an indictment unless Manafort purgers himself with lies about Trump. Mueller is drilling into Manafort's past — and it could spell trouble for Trump ... basically digging into areas so far beyond his mandate it boggles even a Time Lord's mind ...

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"The tactic that Mueller is using — telling Manafort that he will be charged — is generally used when prosecutors are trying to get a defendant to 'flip,'" said Mariotti. The best way to do that, he added, is to assemble enough evidence to make it likely that the individual, if charged, would be convicted and sentenced to jail time.


This is why our nation created a constitution with a bill of rights in the first place and if we need another revolution to throw down these tyrants like Mueller then so be it.
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tzor wrote:
"The tactic that Mueller is using — telling Manafort that he will be charged — is generally used when prosecutors are trying to get a defendant to 'flip,'" said Mariotti. The best way to do that, he added, is to assemble enough evidence to make it likely that the individual, if charged, would be convicted and sentenced to jail time.


This is why our nation created a constitution with a bill of rights in the first place and if we need another revolution to throw down these tyrants like Mueller then so be it.


I'm not sure if flipping one co-conspirator against another counts as a form of tyranny.
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Dukasaur wrote:I'm not sure if flipping one co-conspirator against another counts as a form of tyranny.


There is a reason why we investigate crime and not people. Do you honestly think that if the power of the Federal Government was unleashed on you they would not find some time in your life where you might have been in violation of a federal law ... after all there are so many of them. Such witch hunt intimidation tactics when applied to political opponents (and Mueller is nothing more than a Clinton stooge armed with a plethora of Clinton lawyers)
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