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Postby armati on Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:31 pm

Dual Citizenship U.S Israeli Govt employees and Politicians. Understanding the Swamp.
there simply aren’t any. As greater numbers of Americans become aware that the entire “special relationship” framework is sustained by nothing more than Israel lobby campaign-finance and propaganda networks, the harder the lobby will have to work… In the very short term, Americans can only fight such undue Israel lobby influence by again — like during the drive to attack Syria—staging a mass action to demand their senators reject Stanley Fischer’s nomination,” Grant Smith, IRMEP

Past and Present:
1. Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
3. Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
4. Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
5. Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
6. National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
7. Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
8. White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
9. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
11. U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
14. Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
17. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
23. Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
26. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
27. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
28. White House Speechwriter – David Frum
29. White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
30. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
31. Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
32. Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
33. Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
34. Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
35. Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer
Current (and past) Members of Senate:
Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
Representative Howard Berman (California)
Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
Representative Susan Davis (California)
Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
Representative Bob Filner (California)
Representative Barney Frank (Former) (Massachusetts)
Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
Representative Jane Harman (California)
Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
Representative Steve Israel (New York)
Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
Representative Adam Schiff (California)
Representative Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania)
Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
Representative Brad Sherman (California)
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
Representative Henry Waxman (California)
Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)
House of Representatives (or lower chamber of the United States Congress):
Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
Representative Howard Berman (California)
Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
Representative Susan Davis (California)
Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
Representative Bob Filner (California)
Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
Representative Alan Grayson (Florida Alan Mark Grayson (born March 13, 1958) is an American politician who was the United States Representative for Florida’s 9th congressional district and a member of the Democratic Party. The United States House of Representatives is the lower chamber of the United States Congress which, along with the Senate, composes the legislature of the United States.)
Representative Jane Harman (California)
Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
Representative Steve Israel (New York)
Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
Representative Adam Schiff (California)
Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
Representative Brad Sherman (California)
Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
Representative Henry Waxman (California)
Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)

“Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”

Ariel Sharon
Oct 3 2001

hmmm, was he exaggerating?

And no, I am not anti Jew or anti semite, I have zero prejudice towards anyone.

I simply post a little known fact of the american government.
Maybe helps to understand why Israel gets billions and billions every year and states wollowing in debt receive zippiddy.
And geez, its so hard to come up with the cash to help hurricane ravaged states as well.

Just one possibility, maybe there is another reason.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby riskllama on Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:48 pm

ask saxi.
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:49 pm

Well that was incredibly misleading
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:14 pm

armati wrote:Just one possibility, maybe there is another reason.
Anyone have any ideas?

During World War II, some Americans referred to Britain as America's "unsinkable aircraft carrier" on the edge of Europe. Israel is much the same thing -- America's unsinkable aircraft carrier on the edge of the Middle East.


Yes, it's expensive to maintain, but aircraft carriers always are.
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:19 pm

So, what was that list all about?
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby riskllama on Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:01 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
armati wrote:Just one possibility, maybe there is another reason.
Anyone have any ideas?

During World War II, some Americans referred to Britain as America's "unsinkable aircraft carrier" on the edge of Europe. Israel is much the same thing -- America's unsinkable aircraft carrier on the edge of the Middle East.


Yes, it's expensive to maintain, but aircraft carriers always are.

I think duk just won this thread. saxi had a good one as well, but it was in that epic Israel thread of his - so long gone, now.
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:10 pm

It's ok- armati is online as I type- no doubt s/he will explain the purpose of the OP.
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby armati on Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:37 pm

What is "purpose of OP" symmetry?
What does OP mean?

I couldnt tell ya what imogees mean either. did i spell that right?
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby riskllama on Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:40 pm

armati wrote:What is "purpose of OP" symmetry?
What does OP mean?

I couldnt tell ya what imogees mean either. did i spell that right?

if I haven't said it already, I'll say it now : welcome to CC, skip...;)
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:44 pm

armati wrote:What is "purpose of OP" symmetry?
What does OP mean?

I couldnt tell ya what imogees mean either. did i spell that right?


Original Post, apologies armati

What was with the misleading OP? What was your intention?
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Postby armati on Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:15 pm

Not sure what you found misleading.
That was simply a list of past and present Govt employees and Politicians with Israeli citizenship.
Just as stated, so, not sure what you find misleading.

The intention? I just ran across it on another site.
Its interesting and might explain why we send so very much cash in that direction, why we follow the Yinon plan for example, it might explain alot of things.

I would think americans might be interested to know why and who has influence on our government decisions.
I find that stuff interesting.

With the discussion of the first amendment here, I thought people here might also be interested in knowing Israeli citizens work in our government.
With so many, maybe the word should be infiltrated.
Last I heard Israel was a foreign nation.

No wonder netinyahoo got standing ovations.
It was all Israelis clapping. lol

I for one would prefer representation for the american people.
Does that make me anti Jew or pro american?
Depends who ya ask I suppose.
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Re: why does Israel have such a hold over the U.S.?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:14 pm

armati wrote:Not sure what you found misleading.
That was simply a list of past and present Govt employees and Politicians with Israeli citizenship.
Just as stated, so, not sure what you find misleading.

The intention? I just ran across it on another site.
Its interesting and might explain why we send so very much cash in that direction, why we follow the Yinon plan for example, it might explain alot of things.

I would think americans might be interested to know why and who has influence on our government decisions.
I find that stuff interesting.

With the discussion of the first amendment here, I thought people here might also be interested in knowing Israeli citizens work in our government.
With so many, maybe the word should be infiltrated.
Last I heard Israel was a foreign nation.

No wonder netinyahoo got standing ovations.
It was all Israelis clapping. lol

I for one would prefer representation for the american people.
Does that make me anti Jew or pro american?
Depends who ya ask I suppose.


So it was meant to be a list of people who are infiltrators (weird term, dude)?

Why are you so shy about your source?
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Postby armati on Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:02 pm

You know I forgot.
When I mentioned the igcon on this site and provided their email, people asked me how to get in touch with them.

Try this,
1. Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff

top two from the list, google, and you will be on your way to being informed.
Thats called "due diligence"

You guys would be lousy detectives. lol
I am not shy about the source in the least, I thought like the email to igcon, it was obvious.

No offence intended, questions or statements like that sometimes just flabbergast me.

I got the list from the korelin economics report blog.
political stuff can affect what happens economically.
In the case of so many Israelis serving in the american government affects taxes....to say the very least.

Ment to be a list of infiltrators?
You tell me, when people loyal to foreign nations serve within our government, what would you call it?
I suppose it could be called treason.

What word is a better description than infiltration ?

In any case, you didnt tell me what you found misleading.
or was it that you just didnt read the first paragraph?
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Postby Bernie Sanders on Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:43 pm

armati wrote:You know I forgot.
When I mentioned the igcon on this site and provided their email, people asked me how to get in touch with them.

Try this,
1. Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff

top two from the list, google, and you will be on your way to being informed.
Thats called "due diligence"

You guys would be lousy detectives. lol
I am not shy about the source in the least, I thought like the email to igcon, it was obvious.

No offence intended, questions or statements like that sometimes just flabbergast me.

I got the list from the korelin economics report blog.
political stuff can affect what happens economically.
In the case of so many Israelis serving in the american government affects taxes....to say the very least.

Ment to be a list of infiltrators?
You tell me, when people loyal to foreign nations serve within our government, what would you call it?
I suppose it could be called treason.

What word is a better description than infiltration ?

In any case, you didnt tell me what you found misleading.
or was it that you just didnt read the first paragraph?


"I suppose it could be called treason"

Yes, Trump should be charged with treason. Funny huh? Trump sucking both Netanyahu and Putin simultaneously. Really the irony of that.
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Postby armati on Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:12 pm

The argument that such an individual could protect American interests while also having a high level of concern for a foreign nation with contrary interests is at best questionable. As George Washington observed in his farewell address, “…a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification…”
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Postby armati on Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:13 pm

that Jewish advocacy groups in the United States are disproportionately powerful, capable of using easy access to the media and to compliant politicians to shape policies that are driven by tribal considerations and not necessarily by the interests of most of the American people. Professors John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt of Harvard, in their groundbreaking book “The Israel Lobby”, observed how the billions of dollars given to Israel annually “cannot be fully explained on either strategic or moral grounds… {and] is due largely to the activities of the Israel lobby—a loose coalition of individuals and organizations who openly work to push U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction.
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Postby waauw on Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:23 pm

Because they're bro's, bro's support eachother.
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Postby mrswdk on Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:44 pm

This thread reminds me of the website I once saw that featured a bunch of photos of Mao with Jewish people and cited them as evidence that the Rothschilds financed the Chinese Communist Party during the Chinese civil war.
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Postby armati on Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:41 am

The bank of England did support the Bolsheviks over throwing the tsar;
(that takes a little detective work to see)

Nathan Rothchild took control of the Bank of England in 1815.
So its accurate to say Rothchild backed the Bolsheviks.

War is the most profitable investment that can be made.....bar none.

Most wars are fought for bank profit, that info is nothing new, if your ready for a little eye opening..........

"War Is a Racket" a 1935 short book, by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient.

"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" John Perkens

You could check the work of F. William Engdahl....extensive material.


If there was any way possible for Rothchild to invest in the chinese civil war, there is absolutely no doubt about it....he would have.
I would be surprised if they didnt fund both sides.

Thats standard procedure for those guys.
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Postby warmonger1981 on Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:50 am

armati, you're talking to a bunch of trolls. Facts are irrelevant and their opinions cannot be refuted. It's like talking to a wall.
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Postby Bernie Sanders on Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:00 am

Sure warmonger, alternative facts rule the day.
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Postby armati on Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:20 pm

@warmonger1981
Thanks, Im old in comparision to people here and unfamiliar with the net really.
But I have run into this troll expression before.

In 1980 I owned a store that sold D&D, played now and then, one group I was in ran into a troll, under a bridge of course.
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Postby armati on Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:31 pm

@Bernie

Anti-Semitism law stops valid criticism of Israel - The National
https://www.thenational.ae/.../anti-sem ... l-1.2252...
Dec 3, 2016 - James Zogby says a law intended to stop vilification is being used to shut down legitimate debate on US campuses.

Hey Bernie, ya ever hear of a guy named Voltaire?
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise"

There is some thinking it wasnt voltaire who said that, but true none the less.

See the list I posted on the # of Israelis working in the American government?
Be a detective, put the pcs together.

THAT...is a patriot, ALL ENEMYS, foreign AND DOMESTIC.
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