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betiko wrote:sempaispellcheck wrote:betiko wrote:how can they be never injured and play every freaking game??
That goes back to what HA was saying about how times have changed. The training and medical staffs on those teams know a lot more know about how the body works and what is good or bad for it than they did when Ronaldo, Pélé, and Maradona played. Teams even have nutritionists know cooking up specialized diets for players - even youth players.
you are mixing the star from the 50s-70s with the star from the 80s early 90s and the star from the late 90's early 00's.
Do you really think you can't compare ronaldo with messi in terms of physical preparation? Of course you can. I was also giving the example of Robben. Ronaldo had shit knees and a metabolic problem!
sempaispellcheck wrote:betiko wrote:sempaispellcheck wrote:betiko wrote:how can they be never injured and play every freaking game??
That goes back to what HA was saying about how times have changed. The training and medical staffs on those teams know a lot more know about how the body works and what is good or bad for it than they did when Ronaldo, Pélé, and Maradona played. Teams even have nutritionists know cooking up specialized diets for players - even youth players.
you are mixing the star from the 50s-70s with the star from the 80s early 90s and the star from the late 90's early 00's.
Do you really think you can't compare ronaldo with messi in terms of physical preparation? Of course you can. I was also giving the example of Robben. Ronaldo had shit knees and a metabolic problem!
I'm not talking about the players' physical preparation. I'm talking about the resources they have access to - medical, nutritional, etc. Even in the last decade, there have been tremendous advancements in those areas, and players have benefited tremendously from it.
HardAttack wrote:Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
cafu, rivaldo, i guess leonardo, bebeto, romario, and there was one used to play in french league, monaco ? free kick expert midfielder and a few to count more had long enough careers mate.
IMO, ronaldinho can not come close to ronaldo more than 100 feet when we speak about talent ) but talent, if we are speaking of the same thing ? define talent.
Pirlo wrote:HardAttack wrote:Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
cafu, rivaldo, i guess leonardo, bebeto, romario, and there was one used to play in french league, monaco ? free kick expert midfielder and a few to count more had long enough careers mate.
IMO, ronaldinho can not come close to ronaldo more than 100 feet when we speak about talent ) but talent, if we are speaking of the same thing ? define talent.
yes true, they are the 1990s generation, but not anymore... Media can be partially blamed though. Usually, Brazilians who get too much attention end up ruining their own careers so quick; unlike Messi and CR7 who got the hugest all time attention and still going on.
By talent, I mean the ability to do whatever you want with the ball.. Ronaldinho is a magician who can always find new ways to trick ya. I already told ya that Ronaldo was a real phenomenon because he did change the philosophy of the game. On the other hand, Ronaldinho started the historical Barca, which is probably turned out to become the best team ever!
Gillipig wrote:Pirlo wrote:HardAttack wrote:Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
cafu, rivaldo, i guess leonardo, bebeto, romario, and there was one used to play in french league, monaco ? free kick expert midfielder and a few to count more had long enough careers mate.
IMO, ronaldinho can not come close to ronaldo more than 100 feet when we speak about talent ) but talent, if we are speaking of the same thing ? define talent.
yes true, they are the 1990s generation, but not anymore... Media can be partially blamed though. Usually, Brazilians who get too much attention end up ruining their own careers so quick; unlike Messi and CR7 who got the hugest all time attention and still going on.
By talent, I mean the ability to do whatever you want with the ball.. Ronaldinho is a magician who can always find new ways to trick ya. I already told ya that Ronaldo was a real phenomenon because he did change the philosophy of the game. On the other hand, Ronaldinho started the historical Barca, which is probably turned out to become the best team ever!
You actually think Ronaldinho was born in the 90's?
On the other hand, Ronaldinho started the historical Barca, which is probably turned out to become the best team ever!
HardAttack wrote:Nola_Lifer wrote:HardAttack wrote:Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
cafu, rivaldo, i guess leonardo, bebeto, romario, and there was one used to play in french league, monaco ? free kick expert midfielder and a few to count more had long enough careers mate.
IMO, ronaldinho can not come close to ronaldo more than 100 feet when we speak about talent ) but talent, if we are speaking of the same thing ? define talent.
Juninho?
Juninho it is
Nola_Lifer wrote:On the other hand, Ronaldinho started the historical Barca, which is probably turned out to become the best team ever!
Gonna have to disagree with this comment. Ronaldinho did have tricks but the only thing he was best at is being the ugliest footballer to live.
Nola_Lifer wrote:On the other hand, Ronaldinho started the historical Barca, which is probably turned out to become the best team ever!
Gonna have to disagree with this comment. Ronaldinho did have tricks but the only thing he was best at is being the ugliest footballer to live.
betiko wrote:HardAttack wrote:Nola_Lifer wrote:HardAttack wrote:Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
cafu, rivaldo, i guess leonardo, bebeto, romario, and there was one used to play in french league, monaco ? free kick expert midfielder and a few to count more had long enough careers mate.
IMO, ronaldinho can not come close to ronaldo more than 100 feet when we speak about talent ) but talent, if we are speaking of the same thing ? define talent.
Juninho?
Juninho it is
Juninho played for Lyon, never for Monaco!!
7 seasons, 7 championships, a true legend and probably the best free kick player ever. He will be playing for the NY red bulls with Thierry Henry next season.
Romario ended his career aged over 40 if I remember well...
Also don't forget Aldaïr playing for the AS Roma who stayed there for decades, or Roberto Carlos who is still playing
Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
nietzsche wrote:Pirlo wrote:I think Ronaldo changed the football philosophy... He's probably the first great striker with pace and skills.. I don't think he got the best talent ever.. I think Ronaldinho did! A common problem for Brazilian footballers now is that their career is too short!
I'm very dissapointed of you Pirlo...
In the last part of his career, they called him El Gordito in Spain, and El Gordito shut a lot of mouths up.
HardAttack wrote:The Wizard, the only Wizard...
It is Zinedine Zidane's word once he was asked, "Zinedine, who is the best footballer you have ever played with/against", didnt think more than 3 seconds, spoke it out, "it is Ronaldo" he answered. I count myself to be lucky though, had times to see his performance. Sad for today's kids, missed a lot. Thanks to youtube, bringing little bit of ronaldo anyway.
To me, ronaldinho seems like to be a very good footballer, his style looks like beach football more than modern 90 minutes football we have in our leagues. Ronaldo on the other hand, wizard in skills and abilities, meeting it with a great athletic, power instruments to become the single and ever legend with unbelievable coordination abilities IMO. Watch the fkin above video to the last minute, you will see.
Still can not believe and can not stop laughin to see how desperate defenders are when it is ronaldo comin with the ball to score it. IMO, his injury should and well be tied to his this extra ordinary, unbelievable skills, which demands great pressure on/in tissues/joints far far more than any ordinary footballer, adding his being not a skinny type, then this pressure is even more.
Thank you ronny, may live forever.
nietzsche wrote:Also, we got to see Zidane and Ronaldo play in the same team.
Pirlo wrote:nietzsche wrote:Also, we got to see Zidane and Ronaldo play in the same team.
Bitch please... Newer generations got to see Ronaldinho and Messi in the same team!
nietzsche wrote:Pirlo wrote:nietzsche wrote:Also, we got to see Zidane and Ronaldo play in the same team.
Bitch please... Newer generations got to see Ronaldinho and Messi in the same team!
Are you saying Ronaldinho was in the same category that Zidane?
HardAttack wrote:i am not going to repeat it again and again,
no point. Pirlo is sorta professional on the field, so i have got respect on his views...
But once again, comparing ronaldinho with ronaldo is something quite like comparing 100 with 1 ...
There had been lots of players in the past we can name to have great free kick talent, one of them was ronaldinho,
it is ok, ronaldinho also had some tricks, good technique, etc...
But, when you take ronaldo under the scope, you will see something very different...You will see a porche, a 500cc kawasaki engine if you know what i mean ? Ronaldinho's play always seemed to me to be too polite, fragile, powerless, on the other hand ronaldo used to be the engine, like a horse running on the field and no way losing the ball but bringing it to score, no matter how many defenders there are...And nietzche brought a very good aspect, that is ronaldo always showed up the ARTIST, he played from heart, didnt care if defenders to come to tackle him to injury but he kept playing in brave, just like a true star. I didnt see him losing his line even after his popularity grew up like a rocket, he still used to keep the affability he always had. He came to europe scene as someone, played like someone, and left to brazil back like someone...Still there in brazil like someone. His popularity did not change him from 1 to 100...To me this is a GREAT and HUGE sign of good character...I FCK A LOT RESPECT that. From this point of view, i like messi too, i see ronaldo's decent fellow approach in messi too, and for that reason messi gets good points from me as well...
I dislike players, who are there to scream/to show/to imply, HEY I DID THIS, I BROUGHT THE POINTS TO THE TEAM etc sort of moves acts...
To me, an artist, a player/athlet whatever, first of all they are human, then they are whatever they are.
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