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Re: Football (real)

Postby HardAttack on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:59 am

betiko wrote:yeah true, I remember now batistuta playing for the AS roma for a couple of years when he was quite old, but he is more remembered for his stay in florence where he spent his best years.

Of course I remember galatasaray winning the UEFA cup ;) by the way, you guys are far from that level in the past 10 years right? I haven't seen galatasaray in champions league for years, it's all about fenerbaçe now (sorry it might piss you off but it is the truth lol). By the way, is there anyone in istambul supporting istambulspor?? What is this club about, isn't there enough with the 3 big ones?


Well, it was first time a turkish premier league team went that far winning UEFA cup in all turkish league history.
The other and close best show was in 1988, once again galatasaray played semifinals in champions clubs cup (old name of champions league), interestingly it was once again george hagi but this time playing for steau buchresti eleminated us :))) Well, galatasaray has a spirit which other teams in turkey dont have as much as galatasaray has. Club formed in 1905, and the first chairman/president of the club and his very well recognized speech, "Galatasaray is formed to be good sport over foreign teams"... He was pointing out the goal/objective of galataray from that day to now...Who knows why galatasaray is the only one team in turkey to have the best show in european field, maybe because the first president the way he showed the objective, maybe something else... Just simple to say, galatasaray, my team has got the highest spirit in european thropies compared to other turkish league teams.

Well, after 2000, galatasaray made it quite well for 1 or 2 more years but very well high skilled players went abroad to play in real big clubs, how they performed, to me most of them not did well but a few of em did allright...Such as Tugay Kerimoglu for Blackburn Rovers....After 2002 galatasaray went down big time, all good players went away to big european teams, some got retired such as Popescu, George Hagi, Cladio Taffarel (he used to be more than a good goal keeper but very well used to be a defender/sweeper...what i mean is, his playing ability was ok and every single defender in galatasaray very well was allright to send the ball to taffarel with full confidence and they knew taffi wud do/use that ball cool without mistake) That is why i say taffi/taffarel was more than a good goalkeeper but with him galatasaray looked like playing as 12 players :) After winning UEFA 2000, coach left to italy, to fiorentina then transfarred to milan. Well, to be more, galatasaray losing his best players to retirement or to transfers, and team did not make good money from these transfers, due to contract problems. Most of top players having their contracts to end in summer of 2000, then transferred to european clubs without club transfer fee. Economic problems and it is not easy to have good players even though you have got the money, then galatasaray went into an ordinary league team from a top notch team...Nowadays we are packing up once again, slightly becoming strong every single day once back again. Not as strong as we were in 2000, but it is what we aim to get there...Time will show up how good we are gonna make it.

Schalke is a lucky draw for galatasaray for very sure. It cud have been very worse :) I have my hopes over a possible win against schalke, but i wudnt have it if it was barca for example. Well, this year champions league show up of galatasaray, brought up some important financial income to the club. I am certain they will use it smart to buy some cool names to get bit more strong. IMO galatasaray, once again about to get born from ashes, will take a few more years to the top flight...

Fenerbahce, rival club, good team and the challenge atmosphere between galatasayar and fenerbahce is not much different relationship between lions and hygenas :D :D If you ask me, as a team, right now, galatasaray is better than fenerbahce, but the difference/gap is as not big as it was in 2000s.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby HardAttack on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:10 am

IMO, big difference of football today and 20 years ago is, football in 80s and 90s used to have good/promising/talented youngsters to come from B teams to the A teams. But today very less teams have it a way to bring competetion to the field. Most of teams choose it the faster way to buy ready players from other clubs which is fast in response to success but in return a big problem in all over world football. Evry day we have all teams slightly picking this way then the resources are getting narrow sadly.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:26 am

so you didn't answer about istambulspor! :) isthere anyone in istambul supporting that team???
also you don't mention besiktas, is it the third club by far in terms of supporters behind fenerbaçe and galatasaray?
I remember something that you will not like lol, Ribéry!!! We took him for free from you guys as you hadn't paid his salary for monthes, he did a couple of outstanding seaons in Marseille then we sold him for 25M€ to the bayern! and now he's been elected the best player of the bundesliga a few times including last season.
Looking at the team you have right now and here are the players I know: emmanuel éboué, Ujfalusi, hamit altintop, (emre seems to be a different emre right?), felipe melo, albert riera, umut bulut, milan baros and johan elmander. Yeah you have a very decent team, I didn't realize you had all these guys now.

looking at fenerbaçe this season the players I know:
Volkan, joseph yobo, alex, krasic, raul meireles, dirk kuyt and moussa sow. where did mahmadou niang go??

looking at the standings and you guys are actually first! fenerbaçe 4th and it's Besiktas second. Yeah I guess you guys are comming back on the front scene, from my prism 10 years ago galatasaray was number 1 by far in turkey, and for the past 10 years fenerbaçe was number 1 by far, they bought lots of reknown players.

oh, and did I invent istambulspor? I'm sure I saw that club name a few years ago lol. There is a club there called Istanbul Büyüksehir that I never heard of.

Also I remember a couple of seasons ago a shitty club called bursaspor won the league on the last game after fenerbaçe completely screw up! And last year Trabzonspor represented turkey innn champions league as fenerbaçe got disqualified because they bribed referees or something like that?

other question: galatasaray is originally an international college right?
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:03 am

Batistuta had played for Inter too, before he moved to Qatar, btw.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:25 am

Pirlo wrote:Batistuta had played for Inter too, before he moved to Qatar, btw.


now i really don't remember him playing for inter, probably just 1 season when he was really old.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:07 pm

betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:Batistuta had played for Inter too, before he moved to Qatar, btw.


now i really don't remember him playing for inter, probably just 1 season when he was really old.


got loaned last 2 months of a season when their Crespo was injured!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby HardAttack on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:18 pm

betiko wrote:so you didn't answer about istambulspor! :) isthere anyone in istambul supporting that team???
also you don't mention besiktas, is it the third club by far in terms of supporters behind fenerbaçe and galatasaray?
I remember something that you will not like lol, Ribéry!!! We took him for free from you guys as you hadn't paid his salary for monthes, he did a couple of outstanding seaons in Marseille then we sold him for 25M€ to the bayern! and now he's been elected the best player of the bundesliga a few times including last season.
Looking at the team you have right now and here are the players I know: emmanuel éboué, Ujfalusi, hamit altintop, (emre seems to be a different emre right?), felipe melo, albert riera, umut bulut, milan baros and johan elmander. Yeah you have a very decent team, I didn't realize you had all these guys now.

looking at fenerbaçe this season the players I know:
Volkan, joseph yobo, alex, krasic, raul meireles, dirk kuyt and moussa sow. where did mahmadou niang go??

looking at the standings and you guys are actually first! fenerbaçe 4th and it's Besiktas second. Yeah I guess you guys are comming back on the front scene, from my prism 10 years ago galatasaray was number 1 by far in turkey, and for the past 10 years fenerbaçe was number 1 by far, they bought lots of reknown players.

oh, and did I invent istambulspor? I'm sure I saw that club name a few years ago lol. There is a club there called Istanbul Büyüksehir that I never heard of.

Also I remember a couple of seasons ago a shitty club called bursaspor won the league on the last game after fenerbaçe completely screw up! And last year Trabzonspor represented turkey innn champions league as fenerbaçe got disqualified because they bribed referees or something like that?

other question: galatasaray is originally an international college right?


Istanbulspor has a past, i mean it is not a new club but old one. I am not that old to remember well of their early years and didnt have much fancy to read/research over them. But going back to 15-20 years, in the second part of 1990s, a wealthy individual elected as president to the club and bought some national/international well known names, bringing up in the team and making team to rock and roll for about 3-4 seasons...Used to be placed in the secondary leagues, but after he sat in president seat, it didnt take time for istanbulspor to promote to super league and becoming a strong team finishing league all the time in the top 5 position...But it took only 3-4 years, then management changed then they once again went down under the cliff to the bottom leagues. Now, where they are, in what league, i really dont know. :)

Istanbulspor, i dont know why, but never had a big fan portion, never had the stadium filled with his own supporters even when they were doing allright in super league. It must be due to the fact that, city istanbul supports 4 teams mostly, galatasaray/fenerbahce/besiktas and trabzonspor mostly. Tranzonspor is not an Istanbul team, but Istanbul as a city has a huge population migrated in from trabzon and environment, hence these ppl supports trabzonspor..

Besiktas, not any doing good in last decade. Never been a good competetion in european field but like a lightning, sometimes had some spectacuclar results over european big clubs, a few examples, in early 2000s, won over barcelona in istanbul, won against liverpool in istanbul, won over chelsea in london...But these successes are not continious successes...Generally and mostly, besiktas is an allright team/club, having a big fan population, but not doing as good as galatasaray/fenerbahce.

Trabzonspor is an anatolian team. In turkey we have teams, and a way we name em as Istanbul teams(this name mostly refers to Fenerbahce/Galatasaray/Besiktas) and Antolian Teams(teams they have their home games in variety of anatolian provinces, such as Trabzonspor, Sivasspor, Kayserispor, Antalyaspor, Bursaspor, Eskisehirspor, Genclerbirligi ....)... Istanbul teams are rich compared to anatolian teams therefore can afford more money for transfers, bringing higher quality players...From players's perspective, istanbul, being a very big/historical/touristic/nice city is a very important adavntage very sure. A player well, can prefer an istanbul team over anatolian team on this reason and i will very well understand it why...In anatolian clubs, Trabzonspor has a glorious history over years...Most successfull anatolian team in turkish football history. Not sure but i guess they had 5 title position in super league, in 1960s-1970s and in the rest they finished league in top 5 all of the times, showing up a strong team/competetion in superleague. Right now, they are an ok team but suffering from Istanbul clubs, mostly due to losing their good players to Istanbul teams, well, due to well-known reasons. What Istanbul can offer as a city which no other city in Turkey cud provided, and prolly financial issues as well...So, it is a big deal for anatolian teams have to cope with...There should be a way to keep their good talents/players so they can come strong teams/plays.

Ribery, a trualy sad story for galatasaray. Well, i remember his play in galatasaray, we saw it very well him, his big talent and his capability...What i can say, a big lose for us, and what more sad is, losing him with zero money is of course another sad thing to add. For galatasaray, another lose is Mircea Lucescu IMO...He is now in Shakter Donets and doing excellent job...He used to be coaching galatasaray from 2000 to 2003 or something and he came to Turkey, very much my opinion but hagi and popescu had influence over him to sign the contract to coach the team. Mircea used to be an allright coach before he came to galatasaray, he used to be coaching Inter for some years in mid 1990s...Well, i dont know if he did good there...

Buyuksehir Belediye and Istanbulspor are two different teams mate...
Galatasaray has some players,
My opinions are;
emmanuel éboué, real good player...i see cafu style in this guy...defender and using right lane he gives good support through attacks.
Ujfalusi, i hope he recovered from his wounded situation...Real good defender and very exprienced. We need he make a come back soon. Last time i know, he is suffering from a long term wound.
hamit altintop, good player, he has some awesome direct shoots, can be real dangerous for opposing team goal keepers.
(emre seems to be a different emre right?), emre i think he is playing for atletico madrid together with arda turan.
felipe melo, used to be better show up in previous season but this season he is not as good as he was in previous season...I know he is a real good player, highly skilled, i hope he comes back to his past performance pretty soon.
albert riera, well, hmmm, he is ok i think...
umut bulut, needs to add to himself but ok....
milan baros left the club. I didnt like his performance at all...
johan elmander, great skill...His this year performance is not as good as his previous year. But his previous year performace was godlike. So i am pretty well hoping to see him make a good come back...
To the most, it is our goal keeper, Muslera, this kid has got a very good talent keeping his gate :)
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:30 pm

thanks for that overview of turkish superleague hard attack :)

I love knowing more about other leagues, the rivalry within a city or with other regions, the fan bases ect. Turkish fans are known to be among the most passionate along with greek ones.

I remember one thing that I really didn't like, it was a playoff between turkey and switzerland, I don't remember I think it was a playoff for the world cup 2006 or something. The second game was taking place in turkey who was going to get eliminated, and some turkish players went crazy and started fighting with the swiss players, including a really bad kick in the nuts to Magnien, then the cops doing the security came on the pitch and started hitting the swiss players as well... really crazy I never saw something like that, I think that the turkish federation got a pretty bad sanction after that..
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Nola_Lifer on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:25 pm

Turkish League ;)

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Re: Football (real)

Postby HardAttack on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:05 pm

betiko wrote:thanks for that overview of turkish superleague hard attack :)

I love knowing more about other leagues, the rivalry within a city or with other regions, the fan bases ect. Turkish fans are known to be among the most passionate along with greek ones.

I remember one thing that I really didn't like, it was a playoff between turkey and switzerland, I don't remember I think it was a playoff for the world cup 2006 or something. The second game was taking place in turkey who was going to get eliminated, and some turkish players went crazy and started fighting with the swiss players, including a really bad kick in the nuts to Magnien, then the cops doing the security came on the pitch and started hitting the swiss players as well... really crazy I never saw something like that, I think that the turkish federation got a pretty bad sanction after that..


+1

that was far from fairplay spirit bud, i never do approve such scenes but blaming deep from my heart.
well, passionate defines us most of times :D
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Re: Football (real)

Postby HardAttack on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:05 pm

Nola_Lifer wrote:Turkish League ;)



:lol:
this is cute =D>
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:41 am

hey hard attack, just heard Sneijder signed for galatasaray! you must be very happy! ;)
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Re: Football (real)

Postby HardAttack on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:30 pm

betiko wrote:hey hard attack, just heard Sneijder signed for galatasaray! you must be very happy! ;)


:P
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Nola_Lifer on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:25 pm

HardAttack wrote:
betiko wrote:hey hard attack, just heard Sneijder signed for galatasaray! you must be very happy! ;)


:P
yay!!!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:47 am

Arrogants just can't change... He pretended to be humble over the past few months in order to win the Balon D'Or.. but meh..

http://www.marca.com/2013/01/22/futbol/ ... 54702.html

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Re: Football (real)

Postby Nola_Lifer on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:06 pm

Ronaldinho named in Brazil squad by Scolari.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:30 am

Nola_Lifer wrote:Ronaldinho named in Brazil squad by Scolari.


really? when I was in brazil in november I saw a game between atletico mineiro and flamengo, didn't even realize ronaldinho wasn't anymore playing for flamengo. bah he's pretty much done! won't play a lot with plaers such as Lucas Moura.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nagerous on Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:31 pm

Hazard sent off for kicking a ball boy in the ribs. Oh dear.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Royal Panda on Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:34 pm

nagerous wrote:Hazard sent off for kicking a ball boy in the ribs. Oh dear.


As a Reading fan, delighted he'll be missing the match against us. As a football fan, the ball boy had it coming, and a shame he wasn't kicked harder.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:24 pm

just watched. hazard just tries to take the ball back from the young sheep shagger cause the twat is doing something totally inapropriate. Like if it was a melee or as if he were part of the team, f*ck him i hope it hurted him and he won t do it again. but of course, blame it on the footballer trying to get the ball back.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby CBlake on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:32 pm

betiko wrote:just watched. hazard just tries to take the ball back from the young sheep shagger cause the twat is doing something totally inapropriate. Like if it was a melee or as if he were part of the team, f*ck him i hope it hurted him and he won t do it again. but of course, blame it on the footballer trying to get the ball back.


I would hardly call that kicking him, the intent to injure wasn't there, he was genuinely trying to get the ball back and that only.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:09 pm

Was Inzaghi just as "lucky" as Chicharito?

I say "lucky" because it has to be more than luck.

Those goals should have a name now, Chicharazos.

What other players had similar play, that appear they weren't good players but scored many goals at top level and many of those ina rather lucky way?

Someone mentioned to me that Raul was similar, but I don't think so, Raul had better technique. Raul was the soul of RM for many years.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nagerous on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:57 pm

nietzsche wrote:Was Inzaghi just as "lucky" as Chicharito?

I say "lucky" because it has to be more than luck.

Those goals should have a name now, Chicharazos.

What other players had similar play, that appear they weren't good players but scored many goals at top level and many of those ina rather lucky way?

Someone mentioned to me that Raul was similar, but I don't think so, Raul had better technique. Raul was the soul of RM for many years.


Man U are certainly blessed in the attacking forwards department right now. They just need to sure up their defence and the title is theirs for the taking. Rio is passed it now, someone like Shawcross would be a quality signing but he has pledged his future to Stoke.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:13 pm

nietzsche wrote:Was Inzaghi just as "lucky" as Chicharito?

I say "lucky" because it has to be more than luck.

Those goals should have a name now, Chicharazos.

What other players had similar play, that appear they weren't good players but scored many goals at top level and many of those ina rather lucky way?

Someone mentioned to me that Raul was similar, but I don't think so, Raul had better technique. Raul was the soul of RM for many years.


I remember this guy called Julio Salinas playing for Barcelona then Sporting Gijon (early 90s). Terrible technique, but always where the ball landed so he just had to push it, and he always scored tons of goals.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:22 pm

betiko wrote:
nietzsche wrote:Was Inzaghi just as "lucky" as Chicharito?

I say "lucky" because it has to be more than luck.

Those goals should have a name now, Chicharazos.

What other players had similar play, that appear they weren't good players but scored many goals at top level and many of those ina rather lucky way?

Someone mentioned to me that Raul was similar, but I don't think so, Raul had better technique. Raul was the soul of RM for many years.


I remember this guy called Julio Salinas playing for Barcelona then Sporting Gijon (early 90s). Terrible technique, but always where the ball landed so he just had to push it, and he always scored tons of goals.


I think it's still good technique to predict where the ball would land though ;)

not that I know Salinas or i'm defending him... rebound was one of Crespon's amazing techniques.. hence he was called "Scorpion" :P
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