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Which ENGLISH Party Do You Support

Conservatives
4
14%
Liberal Democrats
6
21%
Labour
5
18%
BNP
3
11%
Green
5
18%
Other
5
18%
 
Total votes : 28

Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:04 pm

Heres a question....


The test said alot of stuff about pension plans does someone want to recap what the issue over that is?


i found myself putting undecidedo n that alto..
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Postby Phate on Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:05 pm

Conservative 55%

UK Independance Party 51%

Liberal Democrats 48%

Labour 46%

Veritas 45%

Respect Party 45%

The Liberal Party43%

British National Party 38%

Green Party 36%


I'm what you might call a tory cunt. . . in policy views.

But i dislike David Cameron and most of the conservative party as a whole, so i vote labour or ukip i guess. Not particularly illusioned with any of them.
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Postby Stopper on Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:27 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:Heres a question....


The test said alot of stuff about pension plans does someone want to recap what the issue over that is?


i found myself putting undecidedo n that alto..


Yes.. The issues are that

a) Thatcher linked annual state pension increases to inflation & not the general rise in incomes, thereby making state pensions worth (relatively) less and less each year

b) Private companies and many parts of the public sector are pulling out en masse from providing decent defined benefit pensions for their workers,

c) Not many people make their own, sufficient, private pension provision (And why would they? Private pension schemes are shite, except if you're loaded.)

But luckily

d) No-one really gives a toss. Might die tomorrow. Who cares?
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Postby johnnyrotten on Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:59 pm

You scored as Veritas.

You support the Right-Wing Veritas Party. Veritas wish to leave the European Union, wish to be tougher against travellers and cut immigration.

Veritas 61%

Conservative 61%

British National Party 59%

Green Party 59%

UK Independance Party 58%

Labour 55%

Respect Party 53%

The Liberal Party 53%

Liberal Democrats 51%


Oh shit.
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Postby Utafar on Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:52 pm

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Postby Ronnie_K on Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:48 pm

In 1939 A Game Of BattleShips Had Started

World War 2



Player 1 Germany

P1 Hit
O2 Hit
L3 Hit
A4 Hit
N5 Hit
D6 Hit



It's Your Go America - 1939 :roll: (United States Proclaims Neutrality)









U.S Missed A Turn










Player 2 Great Britain

G1 Hit
E2 Hit
R3 Hit
M4 Hit
A5 Hit
N6 Hit
Y6 Hit









It's Your Go America - 1940 :roll:










U.S Missed Another Turn











Player 1 Germany & Player 2 Great Britain

B1 Hit
A2 Hit
T3 Hit
T4 Hit
L5 Hit
E6 Hit

O7 Hit
F8 Hit

B9 Hit
R10 Hit
I11 Hit
T12 Hit
A13 Hit
I14 Hit
N15 Hit






It's Your Go America - 1941












U.S Misses 2 Years Of Turns....










P1 Hit

E1 Hit

A1 Hit

R1 Hit

L1 Hit

H2 Hit

A2 Hit

R2 Hit

B2 Hit

O2 Hit

U2 Hit

R2 Hit


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Postby johnnyrotten on Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:34 am

Shut up Ronnie, there's a good boy.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:39 am

johnnyrotten wrote:Shut up Ronnie, there's a good boy.
he annoys me too.. i dont understand half of what he says either..
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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:42 am

You left out.....



USA TAKES TURN



E1Hit
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O4Hit
F5Hit

W6Hit
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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:44 am

No offense bushwhackers because I like you guys dont want you pissed but..

you guys are the all american team.. sort of like how america deadbeated WWII you guys dead beat games you are sucking in... Then come in and kick ass.
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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:57 am

reverend_kyle wrote:No offense bushwhackers because I like you guys dont want you pissed but..

you guys are the all american team.. sort of like how america deadbeated WWII you guys dead beat games you are sucking in... Then come in and kick ass.





Now there's the patriotism I been looking for!
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Postby Ronnie_K on Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:49 am

Player 2 Great Britain

D1
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****Telegram Message*****

****Classified****
Date 6th June 1941

To jay_a2j U.S Army

Message Reads..... f*ck Off.... Stop... From Winston Churchill.... Stop.... End Message.....
Cost Of Telegram 2 Shillings

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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:14 am

*** Telegram ***



To Japan Mess with a sleeping dog, you're gonna get bit.




Cost of telegram..... Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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Postby Ronnie_K on Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:49 am

****Telegram Message*****

****Classified**** Date 6th June 1965

To America

Message Reads..... MAU! MAU!.... Stop... Hey G.I You Want Sucky Sucky.... Stop....In Veitnam The Average Age Of The Combat Soldier Was 19 nnnnineteen 19.... Stop....None of Them Received a Heroes Welcome... Stop End Message.....Cost Of Telegram Vietnam War

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Postby Machiavelli on Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:17 am

Just ignore Ronnie
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Postby TitusFinn on Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:27 am

When people hate America they are hating themselves. America is made up of every country in the world. There are plenty of Brits, Russians, Chinese, Africans, Middle Easterners, Koreans, Mexican, Scotsmen, Finlanders, Japanese, Phillipinos, etc.

America is a very young country and a huge experiment. It's all for one and one for all.
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Postby Machiavelli on Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:44 am

I think that many times when people say that they America, thier anger is directed more at the government than the people.


George Bush is a disgrace to America.
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Postby Stopper on Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:37 pm

Got to say, I don't think anyone in this thread has actually said they hated America, whether the government or the people.

Like I said earlier, I think this Ronnie fellow (who I find generally amusing) is just shit-stirring.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:06 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:No offense bushwhackers because I like you guys dont want you pissed but..

you guys are the all american team.. sort of like how america deadbeated WWII you guys dead beat games you are sucking in... Then come in and kick ass.





Now there's the patriotism I been looking for!



FDR was a great guy... how else did he get elected to 4 terms.. top 5 president hands down...
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Postby wcaclimbing on Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:30 pm

great post...



Utafar wrote:I have one thing to say to all the british on this site that think americans are dumb or just dislike us



(with the help of the french :wink: ) we kicked your asses along with the asses of your german mercenaries in the American revoulution.

and we saved your asses in world war 2 so don't go disrespecting americans in any way except sarcasticly.



and no nationality has the right to disrespect any other nationality on this site or any other
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Postby Stopper on Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:19 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:great post...



Utafar wrote:I have one thing to say to all the british on this site that think americans are dumb or just dislike us



(with the help of the french :wink: ) we kicked your asses along with the asses of your german mercenaries in the American revoulution.

and we saved your asses in world war 2 so don't go disrespecting americans in any way except sarcasticly.



and no nationality has the right to disrespect any other nationality on this site or any other


Just wondering - this kind of quote DOES get to some, but not all, British people, just as some, but not all, Americans LIKE saying it - but why are so many British & American people so obsessed about the Second World War, when we can't even win, or even properly choose, our current ones?
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Postby Ronnie_K on Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:44 pm

Blue On Blue


US troops get training to avoid friendly-fire attacks on British
By Laura Peek and Michael Evans, Defence Editor





AMERICAN soldiers in Iraq are being given “anti-fratricide” training to reduce the number of friendly fire attacks against British and other coalition troops, The Times has learnt.
Thirty-two “blue-on-blue” attacks on British and other coalition vehicles have been logged in the past twelve months in southern Iraq, Britain’s area of responsibility.



The training was revealed as Washington and Rome announced a joint inquiry into the killing last week of an Italian secret agent when US troops opened fire on the car in which he was accompanying a freed hostage to Baghdad airport.

The inquiry was announced by General George Casey, commander of multinational forces in Iraq, after Gianfranco Fini, the Italian Foreign Minister, had highlighted differences between the American and Italian versions of the incident.

Nicola Calipari, an experienced hostage negotiator, was killed as he protected Giuliana Sgrena, a journalist, who had been held for a month.

On the same day, a 30-year-old Bulgarian machinegunner was shot and killed in a second friendly fire incident, for which US forces were also blamed.

The vast majority of the 32 reported incidents involved American troops opening fire at night-time against suspected insurgents who turned out to be friendly forces, on or near the main route through southern Iraq used by US convoys.

Military officials in Basra, where the British-controlled Multinational Division (Southeast) is based, said that the “vehicle blue-on-blue incidents” in the period from February last year had resulted in ten minor injuries. “There have been no fatalities,” one said.

The officials declined to spell out the injuries received or whether they were all British soldiers, but they confirmed that most of the “firing nationalities” were American. A small number of incidents involved Romanian and Bulgarian troops opening fire.

US commanders were so worried that their men were shooting at the British because they failed to recognise the Union Jack or other distinguishing military markings that, in an unprecedented move, they asked the British Army to supply vehicles, men and flags to teach their soldiers what their allies looked like.

It is understood that the British supplied several “snatch” armoured Land Rovers, the most common vehicle used by British troops on patrol and senior non-commissioned officers, with Union Jacks, to instruct the Americans.

This was in addition to a detailed presentation already provided by the British for all incoming US troops, which outlines what a British soldier looks like, what type of vehicle he drives and what other coalition troops in southern Iraq drive around in.

When asked by The Times about the special anti-fratricide training, which was requested in January, a spokesman for US Army Forces Command at Fort McPherson in Atlanta, Georgia, said: “It is understandable we are doing this. We all want to reduce the number of friendly fire incidents. Checkpoints are very dangerous places. It has come into the headlines with the Italian and Bulgarian, but there are more incidents that do not get publicity and probably do not end so badly.”

British troops have been given warning against approaching American convoys because of the risk of being shot at. They are ordered to slow down to a snail’s pace as they pull alongside a convoy. They are told to display the Union Jack and shout that they are British. “The problem is that most of these incidents happen in the dark,” a military source said.

A British officer in Basra said: “The Americans can be pretty pumped-up. Sometimes they fire in broad daylight when we are travelling at two miles per hour, shouting that we are British out of the window and waving the Union Jack. If they shoot, our drill is to slam on the brakes and race in the opposite direction.”



U.S Troops Are Useless

Ronnie On Tour 22nd Cheshire Regiment





Rachel Squire (Dunfermline, West) (Lab): As the Member for Dunfermline, which is the Black Watch's largest recruitment area, I had hoped, as had many of its families, that it would not be committed to an even more dangerous aspect of its current operations, especially as our US allies, despite having 121,000 more in their armed forces than we do, seem incapable or unwilling to deal with the situation. What commitment can the Secretary of State give to assure us that all the vital support and equipment will be provided and that those soldiers will return to their homes for Christmas?


Mr. Hoon: I have set out the reason for this deployment. I am absolutely confident that the Black Watch and all those, including our US allies, who will work so hard to ensure that the deployment is able to take place will do so successfully and satisfactorily.

I am sorry that my hon. Friend expresses those views about the United States, which will be engaged in the deployment. I have explained to the House in some detail why this particular capability is necessary in order to allow wider operations against terrorists and kidnappers to take place.


Sir John Stanley (Tonbridge and Malling) (Con): Is it not the case that the US forces place considerably greater reliance on the use of offensive air power against urban terrorist targets than we do, and that time and again, most regrettably, so-called precision US air strikes have resulted in significant Iraqi civilian casualties, including women and children? Assuming that that pattern continues, what assessment has the Secretary of State made of the risk that not only the Black Watch, but British forces generally, may, quite unjustifiably, be associated in the Iraqi public mind with having caused significant civilian casualties?


Mr. Hoon: I do not accept the logic of the right hon. Gentleman's argument, not least because the capability of modern precision-guided weapons is now such that they can be precisely targeted in a way that he does not give credit for. The question also concerns whether it is right to try to deal with terrorists. I assure him that Iraqi


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public opinion wants the threats to security in Iraq and to the Iraqi people dealt with just as badly as the United States or the United Kingdom does. If he reflects on what he said, I am sure that he will realise that the sorts of terrorists operating in places such as Falluja are killing far more Iraqis than they are killing coalition forces. That is why the Interim Government are so determined to see them dealt with.


Mr. Eric Joyce (Falkirk, West) (Lab): In view of the tawdry and rather irresponsible comments to the effect that Black Watch families have not been properly briefed up to now, will the Secretary of State confirm that they have been properly briefed and that that will continue?


Mr. Hoon: The commanding officers have been at great pains to provide information to the families of those men currently deployed in Iraq. That is why I took such exception to the ignorant comments of the hon. Member for Mid-Sussex (Mr. Soames).



Mr. George Osborne (Tatton) (Con): Of course we must see the job through in Iraq, but is it not unfair to ask regiments such as the Black Watch, or my local regiment, the Cheshires, to serve with such bravery and distinction in Iraq, and then face them with abolition on their return?


Mr. Hoon: It is not a question of abolition; the hon. Gentleman knows full well that it is a reorganisation. We will have the opportunity to debate that in a few minutes, but there has been a long process of reorganising infantry battalions throughout the history of the British Army. He knows that full well, so why does he come to the House making such foolish assertions?


Mr. Robin Cook (Livingston) (Lab): In the light of my right hon. Friend's remarkable statement that only a third of US troops are combat-capable, would he agree with the US chiefs of staff when they warned Donald Rumsfeld that he was not sending enough US troops to Iraq in the first place? What assurances has he received from the US in return for this redeployment that, this time, it will listen to us as good and reliable allies when we advise it to minimise civilian casualties in Falluja, especially since, as a result of today's decision, we are much more likely to be held responsible for those casualties?


Mr. Hoon: My right hon. Friend and I worked closely together on Iraq and have discussed on many occasions the organisation of our armed forces. He knows full well that in any force there are front-line combat forces and support forces. That was my point, which is self-evident, as I am sure he would accept. Inevitably, a certain proportion of the US forces deployed in Iraq will be front-line combat forces, and a smaller proportion still will be armoured capable. That is why this particular deployment is necessary.



Hugh Robertson (Faversham and Mid-Kent) (Con): May I take the Secretary of State back to the question asked by my hon. Friend the Member for Tatton (Mr. Osborne)? He will understand the importance of morale



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to soldiers about to deploy on active service. Given that the Black Watch has already served with distinction during the war, and is now on a second and dangerous tour of duty, can he give it any reassurance whatever that its reward for that distinguished service will not be amalgamation or reorganisation?


Mr. Hoon: The hon. Gentleman, who generally speaks knowledgeably on these matters from his personal experience, knows full well the history of the British Army and of the need to reorganise to deal with modern reality. We will debate that issue in the debate that follows. Consistent with the recommendation of the Scottish colonels, for example, what we are looking to preserve is the identity of single battalion regiments within a larger amalgamated structure. That is something that has happened in the past and can happen in the future.


Ms Karen Buck (Regent's Park and Kensington, North) (Lab): I apologise for returning to a theme on which we have already touched, but in the past 24 hours I have received a great many messages from right across my constituency expressing concern about the proposed deployment. Apart from a theme of cynicism about timing—which I do not share, but which I believe must be understood and responded to—which runs through virtually all those messages, the single major theme is a concern about the impact on civilian casualties of an assault on Falluja. I ask my right hon. Friend to acknowledge the profound concern of my constituents about the impact on civilian casualties and the enhanced risk, as it is perceived, to British troops as a result of association with any excessive casualties.
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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:01 pm

I think Ronny_K may be a terrorist. Lack or someone should see if his icp address is in Iraq someplace. 8)
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Postby Ronnie_K on Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:08 pm

U.S WAR CRIMES


November 2004
A high-ranking Red Cross official estimated that "at least 800 civilians" were killed in the first 9 days of the November 2004 assault on Fallujah (Inter Press Service, 16 November 2004) - an operation originally codenamed "Thanksgiving massacre" (Telegraph, 24 December 2004).

Once again US forces committed major war crimes:

The city was placed 'under a strict night-time shoot-to-kill curfew' with 'anyone spotted in the soldiers' night vision sights…shot' (Times, 12 Nov 04)
Male refugees were prevented from leaving the combat zone (AP, 13 Nov 04)
US forces were filmed killing an unarmed, wounded Iraqi (Guardian, 16 Nov)
US warplanes dropped 3 bombs on the Central Health Centre clinic, killing 35 patients (including 5 children under the age of ten) and 24 medical staff (The Nation, 13 Dec 04)
Refugees from the city claimed that 'a large number of people, including children, were killed by American snipers' (Independent, 24 Nov 04).
US forces used phosphorus weapons 'that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water' (Washington Post, 10 Nov 04)
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Postby qeee1 on Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:21 pm

jay_a2j wrote:I think Ronny_K may be a terrorist. Lack or someone should see if his icp address is in Iraq someplace. 8)


Well that was constructive, I'd wager you didn't even read the whole post.
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