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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:55 pm
by strike wolf
Yeah, I think so but since when did this go back to the crusades? I thought we were about to have a holy war between non-denominational christians and whatever version of christianity you follow.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:56 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
lol, we were getting kind of close, but lutherans would win, of course j/k

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:59 pm
by strike wolf
They're alright but all christian faiths are tainted thanx to the Catholic church.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:05 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
tainted? how are lutherans tainted by catholics? we broke off in the 1500's

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:07 pm
by strike wolf
Because catholics tainted everything to begin with. They changed the old testament to fit what they felt. This isn't the disciples who were supposed to be influenced by god. it's the kings, popes, and even lower church officials

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:09 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
strike wolf wrote: They changed the old testament to fit what they felt.

and you know this how, do you have one of your wonderful 'first hand accounts' ?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:11 pm
by strike wolf
No I have friends who are jewish who can translate the original text for me, so I can examine it with the christian version.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:13 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
give me an example of one of your original texts and compare it to the modern bible

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:15 pm
by strike wolf
I don't have it on me.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:43 pm
by Knight of Orient
tell me somrthin u wanna know about the crusades, and i will tell you about it. i study them a lot, if i can find a book on them, i digest it. the crusades are all i do that for though.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:20 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
strike wolf wrote:I don't have it on me.

well if you cannot give me an example, how do you expect me to believe you?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:20 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
Knight of Orient wrote:tell me somrthin u wanna know about the crusades, and i will tell you about it. i study them a lot, if i can find a book on them, i digest it. the crusades are all i do that for though.

well tell me a basic overview

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:20 pm
by strike wolf
uh...faith?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:21 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
strike wolf wrote:uh...faith?

in you? ya gotta be kidding me

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:24 pm
by strike wolf
actually I'm quite serious.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:24 pm
by Knight of Orient
there are many reasons the crusades started. one was the byzantines were gettin a butt woopin. another was people wanted money. they wanted lands. the pope wanted to extend the churches power. also, some just wanted to fight. lastly, some actually thought they were fightin for God

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:26 pm
by strike wolf
And by lastly you mean most importantly?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:28 pm
by Knight of Orient
nooooooo, not at all. that was the last i could remember off the toppo my head. and yes, i said toppo

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:30 pm
by strike wolf
Oh yeah that's right the crusades lost their religious purpose as time went on.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:32 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
strike wolf wrote:actually I'm quite serious.

well i'm not that gullable, i need to see what you're talking of before i even think of believing you

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:32 pm
by strike wolf
what? don't tell me my response has left you speechless. It wasn't that bad...was it?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:37 pm
by Knight of Orient
theres one thing ive always wondered though...about the number of troops who went on the first. by the way some of the persons who wrote of the crusades, i would have to say onehundredthousand went, because with the numbers of people who died in battle, disease, etc, and to reach jerusalem with with anout 20000 people, it only seems that that would by a logical number. does that seem right?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:39 pm
by strike wolf
I don't know. give me a minute.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:40 pm
by strike wolf
No I think there were more.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:40 pm
by Knight of Orient
go ahead