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Chris7He wrote:unriggable wrote:Karl Marx knows a lot on this. Look him up.
He's dead.
unriggable wrote:Chris7He wrote:unriggable wrote:Karl Marx knows a lot on this. Look him up.
He's dead.
I'm pretty sure he wrote a book or two before he died.
Chris7He wrote:unriggable wrote:Chris7He wrote:unriggable wrote:Karl Marx knows a lot on this. Look him up.
He's dead.
I'm pretty sure he wrote a book or two before he died.
He did write the Communist Manifesto and talked of how the proles would overthrough their oppressors in some revolution. I don't think so.
got tonkaed wrote:no matter what one thinks of some of the ideas marx proposes, he does a very good job in spurts in explaining some of the core ideas of capitalism.
unriggable wrote:got tonkaed wrote:no matter what one thinks of some of the ideas marx proposes, he does a very good job in spurts in explaining some of the core ideas of capitalism.
Yeah, I don't really agree with his vision of the future, and most will agree with me, but you'd have to be ignorant to deny that he hits the nail on the head when it comes to describing the present.
Chris7He wrote:unriggable wrote:got tonkaed wrote:no matter what one thinks of some of the ideas marx proposes, he does a very good job in spurts in explaining some of the core ideas of capitalism.
Yeah, I don't really agree with his vision of the future, and most will agree with me, but you'd have to be ignorant to deny that he hits the nail on the head when it comes to describing the present.
He's an anti-semite...
heavycola wrote:Snorri1234 wrote:Man, this thread was great. A whopping 230 pages with noone changing their viewpoint.
I actually converted around page 198. Unfortunately, I converted to satanism.
luns101 wrote:You should be able to convert a soul from 500 yards away armed only with a Gideon New Testament that you found at a Holiday Inn!!!!
muy_thaiguy wrote:Sir! Permission to do 50 push-ups with the Ark of the Covenant on my back?
CoffeeCream wrote:well as Winston Churchill said, the blessings of capitalism are not distributed equally to everyone whereas the misery of socialism is. (yes, I know we're talking about communism but I think both apply.
Chris7He wrote:unriggable wrote:got tonkaed wrote:no matter what one thinks of some of the ideas marx proposes, he does a very good job in spurts in explaining some of the core ideas of capitalism.
Yeah, I don't really agree with his vision of the future, and most will agree with me, but you'd have to be ignorant to deny that he hits the nail on the head when it comes to describing the present.
He's an anti-semite...
got tonkaed wrote:CoffeeCream wrote:well as Winston Churchill said, the blessings of capitalism are not distributed equally to everyone whereas the misery of socialism is. (yes, I know we're talking about communism but I think both apply.
if we are being more honest, we could just admit capitalism serves the ones at the top better than socialism, even though it does the same things. Case in point, soviet athletes and government officials sure did better of than the average worker did.
luns101 wrote:You should be able to convert a soul from 500 yards away armed only with a Gideon New Testament that you found at a Holiday Inn!!!!
muy_thaiguy wrote:Sir! Permission to do 50 push-ups with the Ark of the Covenant on my back?
CoffeeCream wrote:got tonkaed wrote:CoffeeCream wrote:well as Winston Churchill said, the blessings of capitalism are not distributed equally to everyone whereas the misery of socialism is. (yes, I know we're talking about communism but I think both apply.
if we are being more honest, we could just admit capitalism serves the ones at the top better than socialism, even though it does the same things. Case in point, soviet athletes and government officials sure did better of than the average worker did.
OK, I'm officially ticked off by your posts now tonka. What are you trying to say? If we are being more honest. You can have your opinions on any subject but let's not pretend that one position is more honest than another. They're just different opinions. As for capitalism serving people at the top better than socialism, that's just not true because when capitalism is tried more people move out of the poor class and into the middle class. Middle class people move into the wealthy class.
Bill Richardson cut taxes in my state. Every time it helped our economy. Yes, I'm putting in a plug for him since I plan to vote for him.
AlgyTaylor wrote:Why can't you have something that's somewhere in between capitalism and communism?
Snorri1234 wrote:Because then you can't demonize the opposing side.
AlgyTaylor wrote:Snorri1234 wrote:Because then you can't demonize the opposing side.
That's true. Maybe we should invent a totally fictitious "fourth way" then demonise it.
I'd suggest that the fourth way be diametrically opposed to both capitalism & communism. So everyone has absolutely nothing, and they don't share it with anyone else.
mybike_yourface wrote:check out the Gift Economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy
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