Bias in the Media, LOL

[BigBallinStalin]

In other words, in regard to journalism, you tend toward the left side of the continuum; whereas, I tend toward the right. Okay then!

[Symmetry]

In other words, in regard to journalism, you tend toward the left side of the continuum; whereas, I tend toward the right. Okay then!

Meh, the right side, of late, and particularly with regards to US tv news, seems kinda poor. It seems like the right won an argument that it should be bias in favour of increasingly right wing views. Let's be fair here. "Bias" in this topic basically codes to anything slightly centrist or left of centre. "Media" here is some daft vague term that means whatever the person is watching on tv,

Am I close?

[Phatscotty]

In perhaps the most telling — and decisive — finding in the survey, 46 percent of Americans believe the media are too liberal as compared to the 13 percent who view the media as too conservative.

[BigBallinStalin]

In other words, in regard to journalism, you tend toward the left side of the continuum; whereas, I tend toward the right. Okay then!

Meh, the right side, of late, and particularly with regards to US tv news, seems kinda poor. It seems like the right won an argument that it should be bias in favour of increasingly right wing views. Let's be fair here. "Bias" in this topic basically codes to anything slightly centrist or left of centre. "Media" here is some daft vague term that means whatever the person is watching on tv,

Am I close?

As I said:

I think most people's concern is that even if (a) is being carried out in the proper way, they would still want the media to sync with their own normative position (b), which is silly.

You're talking about those people, and I agree that they're prevalent in this thread. However, this quote still applies to those on the left or right. It depends on how much each side* sways to the left side of the continuum (more passion, less reason).

*the left-wing v. right-wing dichotomy presents too simple of a view where nuances matter.

[Nobunaga]

In other words, in regard to journalism, you tend toward the left side of the continuum; whereas, I tend toward the right. Okay then!

Meh, the right side, of late, and particularly with regards to US tv news, seems kinda poor. It seems like the right won an argument that it should be bias in favour of increasingly right wing views. Let's be fair here. "Bias" in this topic basically codes to anything slightly centrist or left of centre. "Media" here is some daft vague term that means whatever the person is watching on tv,

Am I close?

As I said:

I think most people's concern is that even if (a) is being carried out in the proper way, they would still want the media to sync with their own normative position (b), which is silly.

You're talking about those people, and I agree that they're prevalent in this thread. ...

*the left-wing v. right-wing dichotomy presents too simple of a view where nuances matter.

No, that's not it. I am rather die-hard Libertarian/Constitutional conservative type, but I don't want news tailored to my attitudes.

I just want news.

Media's most commonly noticed sin is the slant they give to their stories, through choice of words used in description, and their choices for interviews and quotes. But far more common is the manner in which they simply ignore entire stories which would concern millions of Americans, or simply ignore portions that don't quite fit into the overall narrative.

I found this one real quick, just to cite an example:

Floyd Lee Corkins, the "man who planned a mass shooting at a conservative Christian lobbying group’s Washington headquarters in 2012 has been sentenced to 25 years in prison for the failed plot," the Associated Press reported shortly before noon Eastern Thursday. Yet nowhere in their four-paragraph story --(WashingtonPost.com) -- did the news wire note that Corkins admitted he was inspired by the website for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

If you are familiar with the the SPLC, you might see how this criminal's use of them as a resource to find people to kill runs counter to the liberal/statist narrative.

Many similar situations exist. Last month the local paper (mid-large city paper - probably about 1/2 a million readers) did a report on a panel of educators discussing the new common core curriculum, which was entirely favorable. Seeing how the vast majority of parents fail to even understand what common core is, this was their one experience to read about it. The panel's review was very positive. What the paper failed to mention was that two of the panelists had a very active lobbying role in getting the curriculum going in the state. That little tidbit of information (that people might have wanted to know) was somehow overlooked, and the truth of their statements (many false claims were made) were also not noticed by the reporter.

That's what I'm talking about. It's insidious.

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[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah, we agree. I'm always looking out for media (good media--as in scientific/positive analysis media)--which challenges my core beliefs. That's a interesting point about the 'sins of omission' (e.g. leaving out the SPLC bit).

Regarding that paper with the story on common core, of course that's borderline propaganda, but how did you know that two of the panelists were active lobbyists (basically) for that program? Was it from another news story?

[Nobunaga]

Yeah, we agree. I'm always looking out for media (good media--as in scientific/positive analysis media)--which challenges my core beliefs. That's a interesting point about the 'sins of omission' (e.g. leaving out the SPLC bit).

Regarding that paper with the story on common core, of course that's borderline propaganda, but how did you know that two of the panelists were active lobbyists (basically) for that program? Was it from another news story?

I'm doing a lot of research now on common core and how it came to happen in my state, without anybody (by "anybody", I mean parents) noticing.

There's a lot of data on-line (groups of people like me, trying to figure out what's going on) detailing where it came from, who paid how much to whom, how it was lobbied and who was involved, etc... That's where I read about the two panelists in question.

[BigBallinStalin]

Looks like y'all may have something worthy of publishing, either through news or potentially through academic channels.

[Nobunaga]

The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

"Even for Speaker Boehner, who is a consummate dealmaker, what we have got now is a situation where the inmates are running the asylum. That the leadership realizes that they are running towards a cliff that they realize is politically damaging, economically damaging, there is very little upside. But if they don't give in to the demands of the 50 or so House radicals pushing this direction, they're afraid they may lose their positions."

Congress Like Bad Parents Who Let Kids Starve

"But it's like mommy and daddy are fighting over whether or not to buy a new car or a new couch and they decide, you know what, we can't figure it out so let's not feed the kids until we do. That's what it sounds like to the American people."

Americans Will Blame Tea Party for "Messing With Our Economy"

"I must say that many Americans will look to the Tea Party and blame the Tea Party once again for kind of like messing with our economy in a time that the economy's fragile and we shouldn't be messing with it in this way."

House GOP Holding the Economy "to Ransom"

"It's a frustration for most Americans that their government is essentially – and their economy is being held to ransom over this."

Supporting my previous - look at their choices of words here. These are not op-ed type personalities, but news anchors and commentators.

Not a one of them mentions that the budget has indeed been funded for everything, except Obamacare. Yet the GOP are the inmates, starving the children, and holding the economy to ransom (neutral, journalistic type phrase choices?). And Americans will blame the Tea Party again. (I didn't know they were blamed last time, at least by the American people as opposed to CNN newscasters).

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[Symmetry]

In other words, in regard to journalism, you tend toward the left side of the continuum; whereas, I tend toward the right. Okay then!

Meh, the right side, of late, and particularly with regards to US tv news, seems kinda poor. It seems like the right won an argument that it should be bias in favour of increasingly right wing views. Let's be fair here. "Bias" in this topic basically codes to anything slightly centrist or left of centre. "Media" here is some daft vague term that means whatever the person is watching on tv,

Am I close?

As I said:

I think most people's concern is that even if (a) is being carried out in the proper way, they would still want the media to sync with their own normative position (b), which is silly.

You're talking about those people, and I agree that they're prevalent in this thread. However, this quote still applies to those on the left or right. It depends on how much each side* sways to the left side of the continuum (more passion, less reason).

*the left-wing v. right-wing dichotomy presents too simple of a view where nuances matter.

I don't think the passion vs reason dichotomy is particularly useful either, though. As if having one means you have less of the other. One of the reasons I like the New Yorker, for example, is that they publish a lot of well reasoned long form journalism, something that's impossible without a lot of passion.

[thegreekdog]

The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

"Even for Speaker Boehner, who is a consummate dealmaker, what we have got now is a situation where the inmates are running the asylum. That the leadership realizes that they are running towards a cliff that they realize is politically damaging, economically damaging, there is very little upside. But if they don't give in to the demands of the 50 or so House radicals pushing this direction, they're afraid they may lose their positions."

Congress Like Bad Parents Who Let Kids Starve

"But it's like mommy and daddy are fighting over whether or not to buy a new car or a new couch and they decide, you know what, we can't figure it out so let's not feed the kids until we do. That's what it sounds like to the American people."

Americans Will Blame Tea Party for "Messing With Our Economy"

"I must say that many Americans will look to the Tea Party and blame the Tea Party once again for kind of like messing with our economy in a time that the economy's fragile and we shouldn't be messing with it in this way."

House GOP Holding the Economy "to Ransom"

"It's a frustration for most Americans that their government is essentially – and their economy is being held to ransom over this."

Supporting my previous - look at their choices of words here. These are not op-ed type personalities, but news anchors and commentators.

Not a one of them mentions that the budget has indeed been funded for everything, except Obamacare. Yet the GOP are the inmates, starving the children, and holding the economy to ransom (neutral, journalistic type phrase choices?). And Americans will blame the Tea Party again. (I didn't know they were blamed last time, at least by the American people as opposed to CNN newscasters).

...

I don't know... I'm kind of excited about getting to call myself a radical.

[Symmetry]

The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

"Even for Speaker Boehner, who is a consummate dealmaker, what we have got now is a situation where the inmates are running the asylum. That the leadership realizes that they are running towards a cliff that they realize is politically damaging, economically damaging, there is very little upside. But if they don't give in to the demands of the 50 or so House radicals pushing this direction, they're afraid they may lose their positions."

Congress Like Bad Parents Who Let Kids Starve

"But it's like mommy and daddy are fighting over whether or not to buy a new car or a new couch and they decide, you know what, we can't figure it out so let's not feed the kids until we do. That's what it sounds like to the American people."

Americans Will Blame Tea Party for "Messing With Our Economy"

"I must say that many Americans will look to the Tea Party and blame the Tea Party once again for kind of like messing with our economy in a time that the economy's fragile and we shouldn't be messing with it in this way."

House GOP Holding the Economy "to Ransom"

"It's a frustration for most Americans that their government is essentially – and their economy is being held to ransom over this."

Supporting my previous - look at their choices of words here. These are not op-ed type personalities, but news anchors and commentators.

Not a one of them mentions that the budget has indeed been funded for everything, except Obamacare. Yet the GOP are the inmates, starving the children, and holding the economy to ransom (neutral, journalistic type phrase choices?). And Americans will blame the Tea Party again. (I didn't know they were blamed last time, at least by the American people as opposed to CNN newscasters).

...

I don't know... I'm kind of excited about getting to call myself a radical.

Your reaction to the government recognizing gay marriage- that no marriage should be recognized anymore, seemed kind of radical to me.

[thegreekdog]

The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

"Even for Speaker Boehner, who is a consummate dealmaker, what we have got now is a situation where the inmates are running the asylum. That the leadership realizes that they are running towards a cliff that they realize is politically damaging, economically damaging, there is very little upside. But if they don't give in to the demands of the 50 or so House radicals pushing this direction, they're afraid they may lose their positions."

Congress Like Bad Parents Who Let Kids Starve

"But it's like mommy and daddy are fighting over whether or not to buy a new car or a new couch and they decide, you know what, we can't figure it out so let's not feed the kids until we do. That's what it sounds like to the American people."

Americans Will Blame Tea Party for "Messing With Our Economy"

"I must say that many Americans will look to the Tea Party and blame the Tea Party once again for kind of like messing with our economy in a time that the economy's fragile and we shouldn't be messing with it in this way."

House GOP Holding the Economy "to Ransom"

"It's a frustration for most Americans that their government is essentially – and their economy is being held to ransom over this."

Supporting my previous - look at their choices of words here. These are not op-ed type personalities, but news anchors and commentators.

Not a one of them mentions that the budget has indeed been funded for everything, except Obamacare. Yet the GOP are the inmates, starving the children, and holding the economy to ransom (neutral, journalistic type phrase choices?). And Americans will blame the Tea Party again. (I didn't know they were blamed last time, at least by the American people as opposed to CNN newscasters).

...

I don't know... I'm kind of excited about getting to call myself a radical.

Your reaction to the government recognizing gay marriage- that no marriage should be recognized anymore, seemed kind of radical to me.

Nice! Thanks dude!

[Symmetry]

The Inmates Are Running the Asylum

"Even for Speaker Boehner, who is a consummate dealmaker, what we have got now is a situation where the inmates are running the asylum. That the leadership realizes that they are running towards a cliff that they realize is politically damaging, economically damaging, there is very little upside. But if they don't give in to the demands of the 50 or so House radicals pushing this direction, they're afraid they may lose their positions."

Congress Like Bad Parents Who Let Kids Starve

"But it's like mommy and daddy are fighting over whether or not to buy a new car or a new couch and they decide, you know what, we can't figure it out so let's not feed the kids until we do. That's what it sounds like to the American people."

Americans Will Blame Tea Party for "Messing With Our Economy"

"I must say that many Americans will look to the Tea Party and blame the Tea Party once again for kind of like messing with our economy in a time that the economy's fragile and we shouldn't be messing with it in this way."

House GOP Holding the Economy "to Ransom"

"It's a frustration for most Americans that their government is essentially – and their economy is being held to ransom over this."

Supporting my previous - look at their choices of words here. These are not op-ed type personalities, but news anchors and commentators.

Not a one of them mentions that the budget has indeed been funded for everything, except Obamacare. Yet the GOP are the inmates, starving the children, and holding the economy to ransom (neutral, journalistic type phrase choices?). And Americans will blame the Tea Party again. (I didn't know they were blamed last time, at least by the American people as opposed to CNN newscasters).

...

I don't know... I'm kind of excited about getting to call myself a radical.

Your reaction to the government recognizing gay marriage- that no marriage should be recognized anymore, seemed kind of radical to me.

Nice! Thanks dude!

You're welcome.

[Nobunaga]

This is an good read. Seymour Hersh is the hard-working, old style journalist who won the Pulitzer for breaking the story on the My Lai massacre in Vietnam.

Seymour Hersh on Obama, NSA and the 'Pathetic' American media

http://www.theguardian.com/media/media- ... ican-media

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