Conquer Club

cowshrptrn wrote:

Joe McCarthy wrote:oh yeah, and it hardly even mattered what FEMA did in Katrina. The state and local governments handled things so badly it was almost like they were trying to make it worse.

in other words: since its a futile effort, he might as well just stay out on his ranch clearing brush while theres a national crisis going on instead of trying to get something done, getting on the mayor's back and trying to get everything going smoothly.

This is a republic, not a kingdom. Bush would be wrong to barge in on a city or state government handling a disaster and tell them what to do. He can offer assistance, not take the hell over. By the Mayors own account, Bush met with him and the Governor shortly before the storm and Bush was trying to tell him to get the city evacuated with the busses he had on hand, and the mayor refused. Bush also tried to get the Governor to accept National Guard help, she deffered the question until later. Her office kept putting it off too, even after Guardsmen where waiting at the state border with supplies. You just have to be determined to blame bush for everything if you're gonna to blame him for the inept local government not only doing nothing in spite of prodding from bush but also ignoring advice and offers of help. These were the people the state of Lousiana and the City of new Orleans had elected to handle their local issues and Bush respected that, as he should.

And oh yeah, Colin Powell is the most over-rated public figure in the country.

where's the moderate option?

boogiesadda wrote:

sfhbballnut wrote:Bush isn't as bad a president as he's made out to be, there are few who could do as well as he has in the situation.

AS WELL AS HE HAS?????!!!!!! you mean at creating a civil war in Iraq? Killing thousands of Soldiers and countless Civilians? With the US economy? With Foreign affairs? With sucking Israel's dick and licking their balls? Hurricane Katrina? September 11th when he sat there like a deer in the headlights? Which one?? I am just confused as to what he is doing so well?? Please fill me in...and no I am not a muslim so don't even try some stupid ass remark about muslims.

Anytime you go into a foreign country with no experience governing themselves, youre going to have problems. Bush isnt't the one killing soldiers and countless civilians, the muslim insurgents are. And Bush isn't sucking Israel's dick, they're just the only country in that region that is friendly to us. Using your logic world war two was a 4 year period of FDR blowing Churchill. And what was he supposed to do on Septemper 11th? go tho the nearest phone booth to change and then fly up to stop the planes?!?! Other than not doing anything to cut spending or stop illeagal immigration, Bush has been a pretty good President

well said

Hey dire why don't you read up some books on modern warfare. A prevailant theme is how technology, medicine, and weapons are minimizing our soldier death count while drastically increasing civilian deaths wherever we go. Yes insurgents are deliberately murdering people, but they wouldn't be there if Saddam was still around. Of course there is no way to say which way is better, a totalitarian government where certain groups are targeted if they don't follow the status quo or total anarchy. And people love to say Iraq isn't in a civil war. They just got off a 3 day forced curfew and violence is still going on. To say that we will always make mistakes doesn't give you the right to not make any attempts for strategy. Rumsfeld just resigned because among other things he wouldn't listen to people who didn't have the same views as him.

As a matter of fact we have a better ally in the ME, they're called Turkey. Israel is always trying to act big to intimidate everyone targeting them. This doesn't stop the fighting, and guess what. With the recent actions in Syria they now are appearing to lose their military edge. Boogie is referring to how Bush lays all the blame on Syrian, Palestinian, and any other group before telling the Israeli to back off.

And to anyone who doesn't believe the police entrap innocent people, fucking look in the mirror. If you are white then go read a book on legal proceedings before saying it's alright for the FEDERAL government to wire tap or do surveillance(sp?) on people without a warrant when the SUPREME COURT rules it unconstitutional. They aren't only doing this to catch terrorists, that's just a premise so that they can legitimize it.

I hate voting... the question is, is there realy anyone to vote for?

Good point but voting is what makes this country great, or at least it used to. With voting on the decline, you are going to see more and more candidates that you hated more in office and more people who didn't vote complaining about who got elected.

areon wrote:Hey dire why don't you read up some books on modern warfare. A prevailant theme is how technology, medicine, and weapons are minimizing our soldier death count while drastically increasing civilian deaths wherever we go. Yes insurgents are deliberately murdering people, but they wouldn't be there if Saddam was still around. Of course there is no way to say which way is better, a totalitarian government where certain groups are targeted if they don't follow the status quo or total anarchy. And people love to say Iraq isn't in a civil war. They just got off a 3 day forced curfew and violence is still going on. To say that we will always make mistakes doesn't give you the right to not make any attempts for strategy. Rumsfeld just resigned because among other things he wouldn't listen to people who didn't have the same views as him.

As a matter of fact we have a better ally in the ME, they're called Turkey. Israel is always trying to act big to intimidate everyone targeting them. This doesn't stop the fighting, and guess what. With the recent actions in Syria they now are appearing to lose their military edge. Boogie is referring to how Bush lays all the blame on Syrian, Palestinian, and any other group before telling the Israeli to back off.

And to anyone who doesn't believe the police entrap innocent people, fucking look in the mirror. If you are white then go read a book on legal proceedings before saying it's alright for the FEDERAL government to wire tap or do surveillance(sp?) on people without a warrant when the SUPREME COURT rules it unconstitutional. They aren't only doing this to catch terrorists, that's just a premise so that they can legitimize it.

Yuore right. Insurgents wouldn't be killing people if we hadn't gotten rid of Saddam. Saddam would. And Israel is our best friend in the Middle East. Turkey wouldn't let us go into Iraq through their country. The reason the blame for the ME conflict is placed on the Arabic countries is that it is their fault. They are the ones who want to kill every Israeli man, woman, and child. And what do you mean if I am white? are you saying that white people dont understand legal righs? And yes, the wire tapping is to catch terrorists. What else would they be using it for? Personally, Im glad that we are doing it. It helps catch terrorists and prevent another 9/11. You need to think through your arguments a little bit more.

shultz wrote:I hate voting... the question is, is there realy anyone to vote for?

Its more who are you voting against

What have you got to hide that anybody would hear on the phone? They don't care about your frivolous problems. If there was anything to hear in your conversations they would have no right to use it. Its like he says they're doing it to catch terrorists.

Ah so nice to be so naive. You might find that certain records will bite you in the ass later in life. Think of it like having bad credit, being dishonorably discharged from the military, or having a criminal record. Frivolous conversations can be looked out of context, like dire's argument against me.

Yuore right. Insurgents wouldn't be killing people if we hadn't gotten rid of Saddam. Saddam would.

Wow did you even read what I said? You can't justify tearing down a government and allowing more violence by saying we caught a terrible dictator. Woopy doo, there are only about 1000 more ready to be taken down as well.

Turkey wouldn't let us go into Iraq through their country. The reason the blame for the ME conflict is placed on the Arabic countries is that it is their fault. They are the ones who want to kill every Israeli man, woman, and child.

Yeah imagine Turkey finding it a good idea to let a Western power cause trouble to their Arabic neighbor. If your only response is to blame Arabs and say they all want to kill Israel then meh, maybe you should start a Crusade to cleanse them all.

I did read what you said

areon wrote: insurgents are deliberately murdering people, but they wouldn't be there if Saddam was still around.

This quote said that insurgents were killing people, and I just pointed out that Saddam would be killing people even if the insurgents weren't. I didn't say anything about us destroying their government, which by the way, i think is a bunch of crap.

Yeah, Turkey not letting us through because we are going to attack our enemy definitely means that they are great allies. Israel shares our enemies, and thats why they are better allies And I dont want to start a Crusade. You are ignorant if you don't know that it has been publicly stated by the leaders of Palestine that they will only be satisfied with the complete destruction of Israel and its inhabitants

I said something after that to debunk the idea that was being tossed around, about Bush being a decent president with the media just hyping it up. Removing Saddam is looked at as one of the positives for Iraq but all we have done is switched evils.

Of course there is no way to say which way is better, a totalitarian government where certain groups are targeted if they don't follow the status quo or total anarchy.

Turkey has the largest ethnic population in their country without a homeland. Asking them to help Kurds in Iraq would be political suicide. In fact the Shiite have been so afraid that Turkey would claim Kurdish lands in Iraq that they have refused any Turkish involvement.

What do you expect the official stance of the Palestinians to be when they are denied human rights and hold no power other than to blow themselves up? Zionists aren't any better. Neither side has been cheery to the other for decades, so siding with Israel is just hypocritical if the US wants to have a positive foreign policy.

Palestinians don't contsitute the majority of views towards the US. So blaming 9/11 on the ME is as rediculous as Israel invading Gaza or some other area because a few of their soldiers were kidnapped.

Holy shit, did you just refer to the Israelis as Zionists? I didnt realize there were many of you types left.

What, you deny that there are Zionists? Just like the Arabs denying Jihad has anything to do with Islam. It doesn't matter whether they are a majority. Or even if the people in power call themselves that, but they have a pretty strict policy of not giving up land.

Oh no they dont. Learn what the hell youre talking about. Theyve been trying land for peace on these crazies for years. Where do you think the land came from for the Palistinian Authority?

What am I misinterpreting? They deliberately build small isolated communities that resemble compounds. Now they won't dismantle a wall built specifically to keep Palestinians from moving around so that these communities are "safe." This is going on in the West Bank which is supposed to be Palestinian territory. Even if it is done as reprisal to attacks you can't justify it and nothing will be solved.

What part have I gotten wrong? Is something else going on, have I been reading fiction? Of course the people who blow themselves up are horrible but you can't do this to people.

don't be so quick to argue about something that is happening thousandsof miles away, unless you've been there you probably don't have all of the facts, its the way the media works.