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How many racists were involved in the "Michael Richards incident"

only Michael Richards
3
23%
Michael Richards and the guy who called him "a cracker"
5
38%
Michael Richards and the part of white audince that didn't boo him
0
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non of the above
5
38%
 
Total votes : 13

Postby vtmarik on Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:45 pm

Stopper wrote:Yeah, that's really nice, if only everyone could just get along, racial insults wouldn't matter. I want to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony ... Sorry for the sarcasm, but we do all live in the real world, no?


First off, I never started to sing the Coke song, nor was I trying to. I'm simply stating the plain fact that by banning a word is what gives it the shock value and level of taboo that it does.

In the 60s, Star Trek broke ground when Capt. Kirk said "Let's get the hell out of here." at the end of City of the Edge of Forever. Now, everyone says hell. Phrases like "Screw you," "up yours," "Sit and spin," have become innocuous when at one time or another they were too taboo to say in polite company.

By fining and denouncing usage of the word "f*ck" for example is what makes it so naughty to use. I mean, it's edited out of the forums with a filter for Christ's sake. If we all acted like adults and just got over ourselves, a comedian won't have to apologize for saying 'nigger' on stage.

Racial heritage means nothing in a realistic context. Just because you're black and are the same skin color as Martin Luther King Jr. doesn't make you any more superior to any other group of people anywhere. f*ck culture.[/altruism]

Realistically, if everyone used the word on a constant basis, it would just become a word. Phrases such as "God damn it," "Jesus H. Christ!" and "Holy Hell" are completely acceptable when at one time taking the Lord's name in vain got rocks thrown at you until you were dead.
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:44 pm

The way I see it.. the guy was just trying to make a living and the heckler was at his job screwing it all up for him.. Hell I'd be mad too if someone came to my job and started doing that to me! Wouldnt you?

I don't think of "nigger" as a black term I think of it as a stupid person term.. If someones stupid you call them a nigger. There are white, black, and asian ones.. Now see if everyone else thought of it the same way it would be so much easier in this world! I understand why they were upset about it.. he was doing it out of anger.. if he had been kidding around and hadn't taken it in the manner he did then it would have been okay I think.
I think both were wrong in this case and I hope the judge throws that lawsuit out as fast as possible..(Yeah..Last I Heard There Is A Lawsuit Comming Up..) I say two can play that game though.. maybe he should do a lawsuit right back after all they did call him cracker.. To me people are about their attitude not their skin color though.

I've seen the video and all I can say is I'm so happy youtube has come along on the internet because you can see all these things you didnt get to back in the 90's!

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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:25 am

Btw have you seen the "We must kill all white people" thread. Has Afro-american community been condemning that guy the way they condemn white racists?

I would like to add, for clarity sake, that I don't blame the black community for the absurd system of values that American society accepts today. IMO you guys (Yanks, I mean) accept publicly stated claimes (like "black people have more to feel threatened from racistic remarks then white people") without holding public debates about the subject first. As I said before, you are the "Land of the Free", you have your First Amandman, so stop being so scared of the society's reaction and start thinking and debating, instead of just accepting.
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Postby cowshrptrn on Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:30 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:Btw have you seen the "We must kill all white people" thread. Has Afro-american community been condemning that guy the way they condemn white racists?


Quite honestly, i dont' tihnk he's even been given any attention, because its implied that he doesn't knwo what he's talking about.

Also, if someone calls you deragatory name, you can counter by calling them a deragatory name, and you woudl have every right to do so. As long as you're not initiating int he deragatory name calling, you're not nearly as at fault as the guy who called you a deragatory name.
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Postby Stopper on Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:27 pm

vtmarik wrote:
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First off, I never started to sing the Coke song, nor was I trying to. I'm simply stating the plain fact that by banning a word is what gives it the shock value and level of taboo that it does.

In the 60s, Star Trek broke ground when Capt. Kirk said "Let's get the hell out of here." at the end of City of the Edge of Forever. Now, everyone says hell. Phrases like "Screw you," "up yours," "Sit and spin," have become innocuous when at one time or another they were too taboo to say in polite company.

By fining and denouncing usage of the word "f*ck" for example is what makes it so naughty to use. I mean, it's edited out of the forums with a filter for Christ's sake. If we all acted like adults and just got over ourselves, a comedian won't have to apologize for saying 'nigger' on stage.

Racial heritage means nothing in a realistic context. Just because you're black and are the same skin color as Martin Luther King Jr. doesn't make you any more superior to any other group of people anywhere. f*ck culture.[/altruism]

Realistically, if everyone used the word on a constant basis, it would just become a word. Phrases such as "God damn it," "Jesus H. Christ!" and "Holy Hell" are completely acceptable when at one time taking the Lord's name in vain got rocks thrown at you until you were dead.


But the point I was trying to make, is that it's not the word itself that is the problem - it's the idea it conveys.

I agree that the banning of words such as "f*ck", "cunt", "shit" and so on is bizarre, because there is nothing inherent in these words that should make them so offensive - the sentiments expressed by the words may be offensive. Eg, being told by someone "I'm going to fucking kill you" is more offensive than them saying "Let's f*ck like rabbits" - but it isn't the word "f*ck" that makes the difference, it's what you mean by what you say.

Religious swear words such as "Hell", "God", "Jesus Christ", again I don't find offensive, but a Christian or a Jew may well do - I'd leave that to them.

But racial words ALWAYS convey a certain idea behind them - that someone of one "race" is superior to another based on that race. The fact of the matter is, you can attempt to render the word meaningless, but all that will happen is that another word will come along. Such as C***, W**, K***, T****, C*****, H*******, H****, and so on and so forth.
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Postby vtmarik on Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:38 pm

Honky, Wop, Dago, Mick...

I don't believe these are in common use at the moment, since white people see other white people nowadays. I don't think any Irish people are going to feel put down or humiliated if you call one a Mick.

And you really aren't going to make much of a point when we don't know which words you're talking about. Two are obvious (k*** and W**); the others, not so much.


And my original point is that if we can somehow stop being to sensitive to how we're viewed by others, these words won't make any difference.

But then again, that's just my unbridled altruism getting the better of me.
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:49 pm

vtmarik wrote:Honky, Wop, Dago, Mick...

I don't believe these are in common use at the moment, since white people see other white people nowadays. I don't think any Irish people are going to feel put down or humiliated if you call one a Mick.

And you really aren't going to make much of a point when we don't know which words you're talking about. Two are obvious (k*** and W**); the others, not so much.


And my original point is that if we can somehow stop being to sensitive to how we're viewed by others, these words won't make any difference.

But then again, that's just my unbridled altruism getting the better of me.


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My response to the mick thing though is: If you call a person mick, don't be in shock if they ask you who your talking to when their name isnt mick!! Not everyone knows that one.. isnt it mostly an irish or austrailian thing?

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Postby vtmarik on Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:56 pm

Because, being Cherokee, I like making fun of the white man. :lol:
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:08 pm

vtmarik wrote:Because, being Cherokee, I like making fun of the white man. :lol:


LMAO! Good point!! Okay Deans demanding the computer keep an eye on the christian forum room and let me know if Jay posts or someone else you have the number! ttyl!
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:49 pm

Stopper wrote:But racial words ALWAYS convey a certain idea behind them - that someone of one "race" is superior to another based on that race. The fact of the matter is, you can attempt to render the word meaningless, but all that will happen is that another word will come along. Such as C***, W**, K***, T****, C*****, H*******, H****, and so on and so forth.


ALL insults convey a certain idea behin them!! Were it not so and were the idea not insulting THEY WOULDN'T BE CALLED INSULTS!!! As for your idea that you can't call "nigger" or something without beliving one race is superior to other races: You think that because you are a honkey :D And we all know that you white boys ain't all that bright :twisted:

Myself included :D since I'm arguing instead of doing something worth-while
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:00 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Stopper wrote:But racial words ALWAYS convey a certain idea behind them - that someone of one "race" is superior to another based on that race. The fact of the matter is, you can attempt to render the word meaningless, but all that will happen is that another word will come along. Such as C***, W**, K***, T****, C*****, H*******, H****, and so on and so forth.


ALL insults convey a certain idea behin them!! Were it not so and were the idea not insulting THEY WOULDN'T BE CALLED INSULTS!!! As for your idea that you can't call "nigger" or something without beliving one race is superior to other races: You think that because you are a honkey :D And we all know that you white boys ain't all that bright :twisted:

Myself included :D since I'm arguing instead of doing something worth-while



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All I can say is I'm over here about to all out of my chair over this sentence: ALL insults convey a certain idea behin them!! Were it not so and were the idea not insulting THEY WOULDN'T BE CALLED INSULTS!!!
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I'm not doing anything worth while today either.. I'm bored at home sitting on the computer just like everyone posting is doing today! Its fun isnt it? lol. Normally I'm on myspace but its addicting being here and posting so who knows if myspace will even get checked today!! (yeah I know they'll worry about me if i'm not on today and think I've been kidnapped because I'm on everyday that I dont spend with my b/f.. but oh well!)

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Postby Stopper on Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:27 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Stopper wrote:But racial words ALWAYS convey a certain idea behind them - that someone of one "race" is superior to another based on that race. The fact of the matter is, you can attempt to render the word meaningless, but all that will happen is that another word will come along. Such as C***, W**, K***, T****, C*****, H*******, H****, and so on and so forth.


ALL insults convey a certain idea behin them!! Were it not so and were the idea not insulting THEY WOULDN'T BE CALLED INSULTS!!! As for your idea that you can't call "nigger" or something without beliving one race is superior to other races: You think that because you are a honkey :D And we all know that you white boys ain't all that bright :twisted:

Myself included :D since I'm arguing instead of doing something worth-while


Well, I'm glad, you AGREE, and that words are not just words! I'm sorry I said "superior to other races", perhaps I should have said "DIFFERENT to other races" - but then I am definitely white when I haven't been to Spain for a fortnight - but the fact is most people I know are white, and I well realise that when they use the term they think they are superior, or let's say different.

Difference is the essential point lots of people want to make when they use racial terms, or say, "equal but not the same". I'm assuming you don't think people, wherever they are, are essentially different.

As to your smiley and little joke about doing something worthwhile, argue about something less important, if you're just wasting time, OK?
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:09 pm

Perhaps my point wasn't clear. I AM WHITE. So, when I call you honkey or am making jokes about white people, I am obviously just joking or, at worst, insulting an individual (which btw wasn't the case here). And, if I am capable of making racistic jokes about one race, it is mysterious why I become a bigot when I am making the same type of jokes about other races (or when I am insulting individuals belonging to a different race).

I do not dispute that there are racists out there. I am just claiming:

1) People of any race can be stupid and, thus, racists.

2) I am not a racist, I am a big-mouth who likes to make jokes. If somebody confuses me for a racist that is their mistake. I don't see why I should feel bad about other people's mistakes.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:13 pm

And btw, I belive all people are essentially UNIQUE. That is why I ignore people's need to identify with their race, nation, gender or whatever. If they do it they are selling themselfs short and I don't want to encourage them to do so by playing along with the hypocritical norms of today's global society.
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:29 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:And btw, I belive all people are essentially UNIQUE. That is why I ignore people's need to identify with their race, nation, gender or whatever. If they do it they are selling themselfs short and I don't want to encourage them to do so by playing along with the hypocritical norms of tody's global society.


I agree with you there.. I treat everyone equal because everyone is unique and they need to ignore religion, race ect.. however I do so love bickering with jay so thats why I post in the religion/abortion and every one I can think of that hes in! I think so far my favorite posters are VTMarik,stopper,Jay,bakglass(I think its spelled right there..) and Heavycola! I like your posts too though!

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Postby Aradhus on Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:31 pm

salvadevinemasse wrote: I think so far my favorite posters are VTMarik,stopper,Jay,bakglass(I think its spelled right there..) and Heavycola! I like your posts too though!

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What the..? Do I need to pull this car over? I'm not one of your favourite posters?
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Postby vtmarik on Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:38 pm

I think you're too new.
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:57 pm

Aradhus wrote:
salvadevinemasse wrote: I think so far my favorite posters are VTMarik,stopper,Jay,bakglass(I think its spelled right there..) and Heavycola! I like your posts too though!

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What the..? Do I need to pull this car over? I'm not one of your favourite posters?


As VTMarik said..I'm new, so cut me a break here!

As far as your car comment I wasnt aware I was in a car with you to begin with...must be some new version of role play that I didnt see comming! anywoo I'll be posting more favorites as I get more involved in the community..dont worry I'm sure at one point you'll be on it!

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Postby reverend_kyle on Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:45 pm

vtmarik wrote:Because, being Cherokee, I like making fun of the white man. :lol:


kill whitey eh?
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:48 pm

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vtmarik wrote:Because, being Cherokee, I like making fun of the white man. :lol:


kill whitey eh?


LMAO- no hes not for kill whitey.. hes just for making fun of him!
:P Right VTMarik? :P He'd more be for kill the stupid people.. We all know there are to many that populate this world! Those are the ones we should get!

If You Knew VTMarik in person you'd know He's: Smart, funny, sweet, cute, thoughtful, a wonderful friend along with a great boyfriend!..

I've known him 3 years in person thats how I know... :P Infact, Hes the one who got me into this site! So There! :P So no picking on the Cherokee!!! 8) Or I'll have to become even cooler and more popular and rule the world muhahahahaha.. You dont want to drive a girl to world domination do you? lol

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Postby 2dimes on Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:33 am

A girl?!?

That computer you're posting from better be in the kitchen, and you're only typing between preparing, mixing, removing piping hot meals from the oven and cleaning!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:38 am

2dimes wrote:A girl?!?

That computer you\'re posting from better be in the kitchen, and you\'re only typing between preparing, mixing, removing piping hot meals from the oven and cleaning!


and after that.. go lay by your dish.
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Postby salvadevinemasse on Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:57 am

2dimes wrote:A girl?!?

That computer you're posting from better be in the kitchen, and you're only typing between preparing, mixing, removing piping hot meals from the oven and cleaning!


Yes..A girl..why is it so shocking?

Would you tell your sister to only be in the kitchen? If so Please tell me she'd smack you for that.. I can cook, however my mom and my b/f do most the cooking in my life! I welcome it too, just so you know. :P I also am a massage therapist, so when you go get a massage think of me! :D

For your information oddly enough my computer is right next to my kitchen.. However I'm not making piping hot meals I'm eating mini-wheats
You know...The strawberryish type ... yummmm!

BTW- next time you tell me to be in the kitchen, dont be in shock if the pipe sherlock is smoking smacks you from your computer!

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Postby salvadevinemasse on Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:01 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
2dimes wrote:A girl?!?

That computer you\'re posting from better be in the kitchen, and you\'re only typing between preparing, mixing, removing piping hot meals from the oven and cleaning!


and after that.. go lay by your dish.


"Go lay by your dish.."
Sorry as I have told others I do not sleep or have sex with dishes! Apparently there is a need for a porn movie of a girl screwing dishes. Perhaps you can be the director, I hear prostitutes will do anything these days for an easy buck!! Although it wouldnt be so easy.. would it? I mean you'd have to get a strap on dildo and put it on the plate..ect..

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Postby 2dimes on Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:39 pm

salvadevinemasse wrote: :P I also am a massage therapist, so when you go get a massage think of me! :D
I see have you ever worked in possumsquach for a Harold H. Wong? He's allways hireing.
salvadevinemasse wrote:
For your information oddly enough my computer is right next to my kitchen.. However I'm not making piping hot meals I'm eating mini-wheats
You know...The strawberryish type ... yummmm!

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Mini wheats are pretty tasty.

I don't think Kyle was infering you have sex with the dish. He was outraged at my post, as a new age eunich. He added that sarcastic remark as an attack, suggesting I was treating the fairer gender like a dog.

That is not accurate, as I am a gentleman and think that a woman that knows her place and looks after her man, should be treated like the queen that she is.
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