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Re: ObamaCare: Enforced by the IRS

Postby john9blue on Sun May 12, 2013 10:27 am

i wonder if 1-year-ago-andy would ban current andy

i'm thinking probably yes
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Re: ObamaCare: Enforced by the IRS

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun May 12, 2013 12:16 pm

john9blue wrote:i wonder if 1-year-ago-andy would ban current andy

i'm thinking probably yes

I have it on good authority I probably wouldn't. I think the Discussions Mods know I probably wouldn't either. But of course, they have new leaders now so its all a crapshoot! ;)


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Re: ObamaCare: Enforced by the IRS

Postby john9blue on Mon May 13, 2013 1:08 am

AndyDufresne wrote:crapshoot!


you mean like this?

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Re: ObamaCare: Enforced by the IRS

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 13, 2013 1:56 am

the scope of the targeting keeps broadening... Pretty clear who they think the enemy is. I suppose you guys won't care until 4 years from now you learn that President Jeb Bush, cultural secretary Pat Buchanon and Communication secretary Rush Limbaugh, with the full power of the IRS in their hands, are officially targeting and harassing groups who teach certain philosophies on "equality", and the government will have a lot more power then too. Oh, but there is no way they would do stuff like this when it comes to enforcing Obamacare.

At various points over the past two years, Internal Revenue Service officials targeted nonprofit groups that sought to educate Americans about the U.S. Constitution


The documents, obtained by The Washington Post from a congressional aide with knowledge of the findings, show that on June 29, 2011, IRS staffers held a briefing with senior agency official Lois G. Lerner in which they described giving special attention to instances where “statements in the case file criticize how the country is being run.” Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt groups for the agency, raised objections and the agency revised its criteria a week later.

On Jan. 15, 2012 the agency decided to target “political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform movement.,” according to the appendix in the IG report, which was requested by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and has yet to be released.

The new revelations are likely to intensify criticism of the IRS, which has been under fire since agency officials acknowledged they had deliberately targeted groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their name for heightened scrutiny.


justifiable profiling?

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Re: ObamaCare: Enforced by the IRS

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon May 13, 2013 9:16 am

On a related note, the Federation does not have an IRS in the future, so there is nothing to worry about in a few years.

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Re: ObamaCare: Now we can see what's in it

Postby thegreekdog on Tue May 14, 2013 7:30 am

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I've always wondered what it is like to live from manufactured issue to issue. I feel it is probably a lot like this:

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I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).
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Re: ObamaCare: Now we can see what's in it

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 14, 2013 11:31 am

thegreekdog wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Wibbly wobbly

I've always wondered what it is like to live from manufactured issue to issue. I feel it is probably a lot like this:

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The top right is the best.


I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).


That's a hole, not a rock. Geez...you Star Warsians are so slow!
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Re: ObamaCare: Enforced by the IRS

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue May 14, 2013 3:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It gets worse. I wonder what else they have been doing?

Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by The Associated Press that seemingly contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner.

The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.

But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," "Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-575 ... than-2012/

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First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????

Seems like, as usual, you prefer an "anything to attack Obama" rhetoric over any kind of real thought.

Among the issues you fialed to mention...

Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".
NO group was denied approval.


Beyond that, once you get past the hoopla, its not quite the witch hunt you and many conservatives like to pretend. It was stupid and certainly gave the appearance of partisanship, even if, as those involved seem to assert it was not. The story (and note, this is what they are saying, not my opinion on this at all!) is that they had many, many applications and sought to find some shortcuts to identify those groups who were legitimately tax exempt and those that were not. The key difference is how much political activity. For the "best" status, you have to be completely a social service organization with no political activity. For the other status, the one these groups applied to get, you can have some political activity, but it cannot be most of the purpose of the group. The exact lines are being fought, changed, so that is yet another difficulty.

Anyway, if you want a quick way to find out which groups are political, back in 2011 particularly, keying in on new groups with the names of "Tea Party", "Patriot" and other rhetoric terms bandied about by political groups is not a terrible idea. Of course, they should have certainly identified groups across the spectrum, not just give the appearance of targeting one political view. That was wrong. Still, I would also wager that at that particular point in time, there were far, far more conservative leaning groups emerging. Liberals largely have "had their day", already have established groups.

BUT... yet another issue, IF the stories are to be believed (and that is a BIG "if"), then this is yet another case of folks trying to do more with less... or, in other words, the IRS agents committing these errors did so in an effort to try and do exactly what you constnatly demand of government... more efficiency!

Now, note specifically that I am not saying this last bit to in any way justify what happened. I think they screwed up, and big time. Still... to pretend that these folks are not facing huge pressure to do more with less and that that pressure contributed to this, is well, disengenius.
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Re: ObamaCare: Now we can see what's in it

Postby john9blue on Tue May 14, 2013 6:47 pm

Woodruff wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).


That's a hole, not a rock. Geez...you Star Warsians are so slow!


thank god, i thought i was going crazy when he said it was a rock
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Night Strike on Tue May 14, 2013 6:58 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????


The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".


It's amazing how you believe everything he says. It's only "simply unacceptable" to him because they got caught.


It's also amazing how you will apologize for any governmental program, no matter whether it breaks the law or violates Constitutional rights, if your favored political people are in power. At least it's finally clear to everybody that you're nothing more than a progressive hack. You would never have made these same comments if Bush or Romney were president.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Woodruff on Wed May 15, 2013 4:31 am

Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????


The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".


It's amazing how you believe everything he says. It's only "simply unacceptable" to him because they got caught.


Is it more rational to go by something actually he says or by something that someone else is making up that he said?

Night Strike wrote:It's also amazing how you will apologize for any governmental program, no matter whether it breaks the law or violates Constitutional rights, if your favored political people are in power. At least it's finally clear to everybody that you're nothing more than a progressive hack. You would never have made these same comments if Bush or Romney were president.


I'm hearing something here. I can't quite place it. I'm sure it will come to me. A ringing of a sort. A bell, maybe...oh, I know. It was a piece of IRONY BEING POUNDED ON AN ANVIL.
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Re: ObamaCare: Now we can see what's in it

Postby thegreekdog on Wed May 15, 2013 6:53 am

john9blue wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).


That's a hole, not a rock. Geez...you Star Warsians are so slow!


thank god, i thought i was going crazy when he said it was a rock


Hmm... I wonder if it's a piece of styrofoam made to look like a hole or if it's a real hole. I would say that someone should research this, but I imagine on an internet game site there are enough Star Trek nerds to answer that question without making me exert myself.

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Re: ObamaCare

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed May 15, 2013 7:07 am

Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????


The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.

Not the same folks, no.

and its still definitely off topic.
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".


It's amazing how you believe everything he says. It's only "simply unacceptable" to him because they got caught.
The jury is still out, but so far, even the most avid opponents have not actually said Obama was specifically involved. I am sure they will make that claim before long, whether there is evidence or not, but this does seem to be held within one area of the IRS.. those in Cleveland and their supervisors.


Night Strike wrote:It's also amazing how you will apologize for any governmental program, no matter whether it breaks the law or violates Constitutional rights, if your favored political people are in power. At least it's finally clear to everybody that you're nothing more than a progressive hack. You would never have made these same comments if Bush or Romney were president.

Yeah... because, after all, we don't have a Democratic Republic or anything and nothing in the government is brought on by public support or demands...
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I always say there are plenty of things that need to change in various government programs, but the way you try to pretend every action is somehow a violation of the constitution is borderline treason. Seriously, there is a BIG difference between attacking legitimate concerns and doing what you do, pretending that anything to do with the government is an attack on the American people. Your words are more akin to treason than patriotism.
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby Night Strike on Thu May 16, 2013 7:03 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????


The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.

Not the same folks, no.


Really?

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/irs-official-in-charge-during-tea-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/
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Re: ObamaCare

Postby ooge on Thu May 16, 2013 8:56 pm

you all do realize that the growth of health care costs over the past four years is the slowest it has been in over fifty years.
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