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natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
john9blue wrote:i wonder if 1-year-ago-andy would ban current andy
i'm thinking probably yes
AndyDufresne wrote:crapshoot!
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
At various points over the past two years, Internal Revenue Service officials targeted nonprofit groups that sought to educate Americans about the U.S. Constitution
The documents, obtained by The Washington Post from a congressional aide with knowledge of the findings, show that on June 29, 2011, IRS staffers held a briefing with senior agency official Lois G. Lerner in which they described giving special attention to instances where “statements in the case file criticize how the country is being run.” Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt groups for the agency, raised objections and the agency revised its criteria a week later.
On Jan. 15, 2012 the agency decided to target “political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform movement.,” according to the appendix in the IG report, which was requested by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and has yet to be released.
The new revelations are likely to intensify criticism of the IRS, which has been under fire since agency officials acknowledged they had deliberately targeted groups with “tea party” or “patriot” in their name for heightened scrutiny.
BigBallinStalin wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Wibbly wobbly
I've always wondered what it is like to live from manufactured issue to issue. I feel it is probably a lot like this:
--Andy
The top right is the best.
thegreekdog wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Wibbly wobbly
I've always wondered what it is like to live from manufactured issue to issue. I feel it is probably a lot like this:
--Andy
The top right is the best.
I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).
Phatscotty wrote:It gets worse. I wonder what else they have been doing?Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by The Associated Press that seemingly contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner.
The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.
But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," "Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-575 ... than-2012/
Woodruff wrote:thegreekdog wrote:I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).
That's a hole, not a rock. Geez...you Star Warsians are so slow!
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????
PLAYER57832 wrote:Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".
Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????
The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.PLAYER57832 wrote:Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".
It's amazing how you believe everything he says. It's only "simply unacceptable" to him because they got caught.
Night Strike wrote:It's also amazing how you will apologize for any governmental program, no matter whether it breaks the law or violates Constitutional rights, if your favored political people are in power. At least it's finally clear to everybody that you're nothing more than a progressive hack. You would never have made these same comments if Bush or Romney were president.
john9blue wrote:Woodruff wrote:thegreekdog wrote:I like bottom left (since he exhibits his athleticism by jumping over the rock twice).
That's a hole, not a rock. Geez...you Star Warsians are so slow!
thank god, i thought i was going crazy when he said it was a rock
Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????
The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.
The jury is still out, but so far, even the most avid opponents have not actually said Obama was specifically involved. I am sure they will make that claim before long, whether there is evidence or not, but this does seem to be held within one area of the IRS.. those in Cleveland and their supervisors.Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Obama specifically declaring that if groups were targeted, it is "simply unacceptable".
It's amazing how you believe everything he says. It's only "simply unacceptable" to him because they got caught.
Night Strike wrote:It's also amazing how you will apologize for any governmental program, no matter whether it breaks the law or violates Constitutional rights, if your favored political people are in power. At least it's finally clear to everybody that you're nothing more than a progressive hack. You would never have made these same comments if Bush or Romney were president.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:First, what on earth does this have to do with the healthcare reform act... the supposed TOPIC of this thread??????
The IRS is the primary enforcer of Obamacare. You would think some one who oodles over the law would know that.
Not the same folks, no.
The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.
Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.
ooge wrote:you all do realize that the growth of health care costs over the past four years is the slowest it has been in over fifty years.
Phatscotty wrote:ooge wrote:you all do realize that the growth of health care costs over the past four years is the slowest it has been in over fifty years.
mm hmm...
Night Strike wrote:The price tag of Obamacare has doubled
waauw wrote:I got a question. Does Obama go to the big farmaceutical companies and to the hospitals to force them to lower their prices? Because this is something very important if you wanna install a system similar to the european health care system. If you don't do this when having an extensive health care system, it'll be like throwing a free party of taxpayer income to those big businesses.
waauw wrote:I got a question. Does Obama go to the big farmaceutical companies and to the hospitals to force them to lower their prices? Because this is something very important if you wanna install a system similar to the european health care system. If you don't do this when having an extensive health care system, it'll be like throwing a free party of taxpayer income to those big businesses.
SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine — Dr. Michael Ciampi took a step this spring that many of his fellow physicians would describe as radical.
The family physician stopped accepting all forms of health insurance. In early 2013, Ciampi sent a letter to his patients informing them that he would no longer accept any kind of health coverage, both private and government-sponsored. Given that he was now asking patients to pay for his services out of pocket, he posted his prices on the practice’s website.
The change took effect April 1.
Read: Medicare reveals hospitals’ prices for first time
“It’s been almost unanimous that patients have expressed understanding at why I’m doing what I’m doing, although I’ve had many people leave the practice because they want to be covered by insurance, which is understandable,” Ciampi said.
Before the switch, Ciampi had about 2,000 patients. He lost several hundred, he said. Some patients with health coverage, faced with having to seek reimbursement themselves rather than through his office, bristled at the paperwork burden.
But the decision to do away with insurance allows Ciampi to practice medicine the way he sees fit, he said. Insurance companies no longer dictate how much he charges. He can offer discounts to patients struggling with their medical bills. He can make house calls.
“I’m freed up to do what I think is right for the patients,” Ciampi said. “If I’m providing them a service that they value, they can pay me, and we cut the insurance out as the middleman and cut out a lot of the expense.”
Read: How much for joints, heart attack or pneumonia? Compare how Maine hospitals charge for common services
Ciampi expects more doctors will follow suit. Some may choose to run “concierge practices” in which patients pay to keep a doctor on retainer, he said.
Gordon Smith, a spokesman for the Maine Medical Association, wasn’t so sure, saying most patients either want to use the insurance they pay for or need to rely on Medicare and Medicaid.
Even with the loss of some patients, Ciampi expects his practice to perform just as well financially, if not better, than before he ditched insurance. The new approach will likely attract new patients who are self-employed, lack insurance or have high-deductible plans, he said, because Ciampi has slashed his prices.
“I’ve been able to cut my prices in half because my overhead will be so much less,” he said.
Read: Maine hospital charges insurance company colluded with competitor
Before, Ciampi charged $160 for an office visit with an existing patient facing one or more complicated health problems. Now, he charges $75.
Patients with an earache or strep throat can spend $300 at their local hospital emergency room, or promptly get an appointment at his office and pay $50, he said.
Ciampi collects payment at the end of the visit, freeing him of the time and costs associated with sending bills, he said.
That time is crucial to Ciampi. When his patients come to his office, they see him, not a physician’s assistant or a nurse practitioner, he said.
“If more doctors were able to do this, that would be real health care reform,” he said. “That’s when we’d see the cost of medicine truly go down.”
Read: With high deductible health plans, it pays to shop around for care
waauw wrote:I got a question. Does Obama go to the big farmaceutical companies and to the hospitals to force them to lower their prices? Because this is something very important if you wanna install a system similar to the european health care system. If you don't do this when having an extensive health care system, it'll be like throwing a free party of taxpayer income to those big businesses.
Phatscotty wrote:The cost of regulations
Phatscotty wrote:frivolous law suits
Phatscotty wrote:and the resulting skyrocketing in doctors insurance rates is what has driven healthcare right out of accessibility.
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