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Is it just as racist to SUPPORT someone based on race; as it is to OPPOSE someone based on race

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no
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:33 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:History clearly, undisputedly records that democrat's are the party of racism.

If you make that "were", you are correct. The KKK was largely a Democratic organization after the civil war.
Now, it is most definitely not.. but then, neither is the Republican party.


yeah, but the only evidence to have to point to is that "democrats always say they are racist" despite piles of evidence on the contrary. There are much more difficult myths you could try to pump because this one only flies for people who don't have a brain or actually need to believe the democrats aren't racist. that's why they get away with everything and republicans are held to a higher standard. thats all



You amaze me. I never know what to expect to spew from your mouth. It's astounding what comes out.


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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby notyou2 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:48 pm

I call it a set up.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:56 pm

"Put Clarence Thomas back in the fields" That is thee most racist thing I have ever heard. so are some of the other things in that clip, and it's all from the same progressive rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJE5MqesHlw how about this one, at 1:50? A couple of union protesters in WI...This is the ugliest I have seen in my life.
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Re: Phatscotty Poll on Racism

Postby Lootifer on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:57 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:edit: Sorry I should clarify: My definition of racist is applying a negative prejudice against someone based on race.

This is a trap. See, what you consider "positive" prejudice can be just as harmful as obviously negative stereotypes.

Classic examples: They are better basketball players"
They are good at business
They do best in math

etc.
We need to judge people as individuals, and who they choose to be, not some outward label that they cannot control.

Sorry if you are repeating arguments that have already taken place, I just don't think it's worth the effort to read the entire thread (since we all know internet arguments are serious business).

I don't see how those kind of prejudice can be harmful as long as you remove any ties with associated flipside negative prejudice.

(modifying your first example because I know much more about athletics than BB)

- Black people are faster runners.

Now even ignoring the science around fast-twitch fibres, and just looking at the stats, even then you face overwhelming data showing Black people to, on average, run faster than their white counterparts. Now there is more than enough statistical evidence to make this claim with some pretty accurate alpha values.

The law of averages exists for a reason, it's a well proven law (as well as being common sense). Therefore extending the law you could make a reasonable estimate on a population containing mixed races that the black members in the population are more likely to be faster than the white people.

A real life example would be an athletics scouting organisation putting an emphasis on checking out schools where the populations are predominantly Black.

Now is this racist in itself? No. It's rational behaviour. Racism is an irrational trait.

Could it be racist under some circumstances? Yes. If the scouting organisation refused to scout "white" schools because they claim Black people are faster then they are being racist. But they are also acting under false pretences. They are not avoiding predominantly white schools because they believe Black people are faster, they are avoiding them because they believe white people to be slower, which, while it may seem like the same thing, it isn't because one is a positive and one is a negative.

e.g.
- I can be consistent and say Black people run fast, and then accept a white person into my sprint team (I never said white people can't be fast too)
- I am being inconsistant when I say White people run slow, and then accept a white person into my sprint team

Subtle but important difference. And any percieved racism always has its roots in the negative, not the positive.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:04 pm

Player, let me ask you this. All those uber pro-life republicans, who think that every baby that is aborted deserves to live, how does your "republicans are racist" stack up when it's a fact that 60% of abortions come from single black mothers, and black are less than 20% of our population. In fact republicans are the only ones supporting all those babies, and the democrats who are for them being aborted.

Your myth is busted on so many levels
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Aradhus on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:10 pm

Phatscotty wrote:"Put Clarence Thomas back in the fields" That is thee most racist thing I have ever heard. so are some of the other things in that clip, and it's all from the same progressive rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJE5MqesHlw how about this one, at 1:50? A couple of union protesters in WI...This is the ugliest I have seen in my life.


That's the most racist thing you've ever heard? f*ck right off.

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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:41 pm

Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:"Put Clarence Thomas back in the fields" That is thee most racist thing I have ever heard. so are some of the other things in that clip, and it's all from the same progressive rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJE5MqesHlw how about this one, at 1:50? A couple of union protesters in WI...This is the ugliest I have seen in my life.


That's the most racist thing you've ever heard? f*ck right off.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com


and what is you showing me something worse supposed to mean?
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Aradhus on Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:10 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:"Put Clarence Thomas back in the fields" That is thee most racist thing I have ever heard. so are some of the other things in that clip, and it's all from the same progressive rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJE5MqesHlw how about this one, at 1:50? A couple of union protesters in WI...This is the ugliest I have seen in my life.


That's the most racist thing you've ever heard? f*ck right off.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com


and what is you showing me something worse supposed to mean?



That you saying "that's the most racist thing I have ever heard" was retarded.

I was not, in any way, comparing racists and saying your bunch of racists are worse (they are), but I couldn't give a shit, really, about racists. People with power who exploit those prejudices for personal gain, I do give a shit about, and from my experience, the guys on your side of the crazy do that way more.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:17 pm

Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Let me show you where you're wrong:

One's environment still plays a large role in determining one's IQ. I've yet to stumble upon any research that states what proportion of environmental factors and what proportion of genetic background determine one's IQ. In your second link, Charles Murry himself can't even answer that.

The first link you mention (Rushton, J. P., & Jensen, A. R, 2005, "Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability") is actually riddled with errors. In the exact same June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, if you even bothered to actually read it, you would have noticed an article titled "Heredity, environment, and race differences in IQ: A commentary on Rushton and Jensen (2005)."

It's a lovely lambasting of what went wrong in their research, so you should read it to further counterbalance your misled views. (Did you even read the original PDF "Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability", or did you just read some guy's summary?)

http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Nisbett-commentary-on-30years.pdf


http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/ (for all the PDFs and not some crummy summary written by god knows who on medical-news.net).


However, people have to be careful when they conduct such research because they might be labeled as racist. It depends on what they conclude, how they were led to their conclusions, and of course on people's perceptions (which can easily be led astray).

As much as I appreciate that you read my sources carefully you must've missed the underlying red thread, that even with the environmental aspect taken into account it doesn't compensate for the entire difference in IQ between races!! That's what these studies show and I think the east asian vs caucasian is a brilliant example to demonstrate just that. If environment was the only variable when it comes to IQ in humans, east asians would've scored lower on IQ tests than caucasians! (unless you argue that the average chinese has a more IQ stimulating environment than we do lol) They score higher on IQ tests that were made by and for westerner's than we do ourselves despite everything! The total IQ difference between east asians and africans can't in a million years be explained without talking genetics! My question was if you can say something racist (a.k.a one race superior to another) and be right but I think I've already answered that question! The real question however should be; can society ever accept that there are differences between races?


In other words, you didn't read PDFs that criticize the erroneous conclusions of what you're regurgitating.

It was pleasant conversing with a bigot. Please don't let anyone ruin your demented view of the world. We need people like you to laugh at occasionally, and then move on.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:18 pm

Did we just get trolled by Gillipig or is he for real?
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby notyou2 on Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:51 pm

I usually find Swedes very tolerant people, so yes, it may have been sport.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:56 pm

Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:"Put Clarence Thomas back in the fields" That is thee most racist thing I have ever heard. so are some of the other things in that clip, and it's all from the same progressive rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJE5MqesHlw how about this one, at 1:50? A couple of union protesters in WI...This is the ugliest I have seen in my life.


That's the most racist thing you've ever heard? f*ck right off.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... google.com


and what is you showing me something worse supposed to mean?



That you saying "that's the most racist thing I have ever heard" was retarded.

I was not, in any way, comparing racists and saying your bunch of racists are worse (they are), but I couldn't give a shit, really, about racists. People with power who exploit those prejudices for personal gain, I do give a shit about, and from my experience, the guys on your side of the crazy do that way more.


Dude, cmon man, I grew up in America. I am sorry that I have barely ever heard racist stuff before.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Aradhus on Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:25 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Dude, cmon man, I grew up



Fucking liar. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and every high way, and more, much more than this, I think you're likely gay.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:10 pm

Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Dude, cmon man, I grew up



Fucking liar. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and every high way, and more, much more than this, I think you're likely gay.


Is that a threat?
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby notyou2 on Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:46 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Dude, cmon man, I grew up



Fucking liar. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and every high way, and more, much more than this, I think you're likely gay.


Is that a threat?


Where's the threat? It's not a threat. C'mon Scotty, you know it isn't.

PS: is that you in your avy?
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Aradhus on Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:25 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Dude, cmon man, I grew up



Fucking liar. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and every high way, and more, much more than this, I think you're likely gay.


Is that a threat?



Is you avatar an attempt to disguise the fact that you're an outrageous racist?
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:39 pm

Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Dude, cmon man, I grew up



Fucking liar. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and every high way, and more, much more than this, I think you're likely gay.


Is that a threat?



Is you avatar an attempt to disguise the fact that you're an outrageous racist?


Aren't you the one that got in trouble for using racial slurs in here before? This is the pot calling the kettle black.

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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Aradhus on Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:48 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Aradhus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Dude, cmon man, I grew up



Fucking liar. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I've lived a life that's full, I've travelled each and every high way, and more, much more than this, I think you're likely gay.


Is that a threat?



Is you avatar an attempt to disguise the fact that you're an outrageous racist?


Aren't you the one that got in trouble for using racial slurs in here before? This is the pot calling the kettle black.

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Aren't you the pathetic school girl who reported my post where I used a racial slur(not directed at anyone), to point out that the arguments that other people were making were decidedly racist?

Nice admission that you're a racist though.
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Lootifer on Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:13 pm

reply to my post please
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:25 pm

So, you are calling me a gay racist?

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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Lootifer on Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:40 pm

Reply to my post on pg 25 please Phatscotty
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:41 pm

Lootifer wrote:Reply to my post on pg 25 please Phatscotty

oh, me? i already looked thought you meant someone else. fine

Yeah I read it you make some good points, but nothing I would really feel the need to respond to.

Was there something specific in mind?
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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Nobunaga on Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:41 pm

... City lowers required police test scores because too few black applicants passed.

... They were forced to do so after US Dept. of Justice refused to recognize the racial results.

... Lovely, isn't it?

... Incompetents hired for skin color.... Tell me again, who's hung up on race in this country?

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Re: Poll on Racism

Postby Aradhus on Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:04 pm

Phatscotty wrote:So, you are calling me a gay racist?


I apologise for calling you gay. I know, its such a degrading insult, huh.

It was only in jest, monsieur.
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